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Sundowner (Sundowner)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Unsatisfied with the going of his business, Gerd went to the registrar's office and signed a paper. A while after that things began to improve, his business grew and grew and, eventually, he became one of the richest men in town.

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Did the paper Gerd signed had to do with his business? Did Gerd have more than one business? Did anyone else besides Gerd sign that paper?
Is it relevant in what branch Gerd's business work?
Was Gerd unsatisfied about the income of his business? About his employees? About the quality of products/services? About the quantity of products/services?

Was the paper about quitting the business? Starting the new one? Opening new fields of activity? Was it a loan? Did it concern change of management?
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Redwine
Did the paper Gerd signed have to do with his business? No. Did Gerd have more than one business? No. Did anyone else besides Gerd sign that paper? The registrar, possibly.
Is it relevant in what branch Gerd's business work? Yes.

Was Gerd unsatisfied about the income of his business? Yes. About his employees? No. About the quality of products/services? No. About the quantity of products/services? About the quantity he sold, yes.

Was the paper about quitting the business? No. Starting the new one? No. Opening new fields of activity? {No.} Was it a loan? No. Did it concern change of management? No.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 9:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Gerd change his name? Was he some sort of artist? Did he become a celebrity at some stage?
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Did Gerd change his name? Yes. Was he some sort of artist? No. Did he become a celebrity at some stage? Noish. He became certainly famous in some communities but I would not call him a celebrity.
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Was his new name also name of someone famous? Was his new name also name of something famous? Did the change of his name increase his internet search results?
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Redwine
Was his new name also name of someone famous? No. Was his new name also name of something famous? Yes-ish, but don't get misled. Did the change of his name increase his internet search results? No, this was before internet times.
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Was the business named after him? Did his original name suggest inferior quality of his products? did it suggest the business sold something different from what it actually sold?

Does his business sell something made out of stainless steel? If not, is the puzzle title relevant at all?
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Did his original name affect the business negatively? Did his new name affect the business positively?
Does the name his business have to include his surname?
Did people develop bad conotations with Gerd's former name? Was his former name also a name of a notorious criminal?
Do people develop good conotations with Gerd's new name? Do his new name refer somehow to the product he sells?
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Doriana
Was the business named after him? Yes. Did his original name suggest inferior quality of his products? No. did it suggest the business sold something different from what it actually sold? No.

Does his business sell something made out of stainless steel? Yes. If not, is the puzzle title relevant at all?

Redwine
Did his original name affect the business negatively? Not really .. Did his new name affect the business positively? .. but yes.
Does the name his business have to include his surname? Yes.
Did people develop bad conotations with Gerd's former name? No. Was his former name also a name of a notorious criminal? No.
Do people develop good conotations with Gerd's new name? Yes. Do his new name refer somehow to the product he sells? Yes.
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Does his business sell knives? blades? home appliances? jewellery? screws? vehicle parts?

If it's knives or blades, is his new surname something like "sharp"?
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Does his business sell knives? No, or at least not as their main product. blades? The same. home appliances? No. jewellery? No. screws? Yes, but in a specific context. vehicle parts? Yes, you may call it this way, but the vehicles are specific.

If it's knives or blades, is his new surname something like "sharp"? No, nothing like this, and actually, there is also a FA.
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Did the old business name contain his old last name? Did the new business name contain his new last name? Did either of them contain his whole name?

Does the business sell aircraft parts? car parts? ship parts? bike parts? spacecraft parts?

Is his new name an adjective? If so, one that "describes" the product?
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Doriana
Did the old business name contain his old last name? Yes. Did the new business name contain his new last name? Yes. (but possibly FA) Did either of them contain his whole name? Yes, both did. The old and the new company name were of the plain old German fashion, like "Fritz Meyer GmbH"

Does the business sell aircraft parts? car parts? ship parts? This one, and no to the rest. bike parts? spacecraft parts?

Is his new name an adjective? No .. actually, I must say, yope. It derives from an adjective but is normally not recognized any more as such. If so, one that "describes" the product? Yes, in some way it describes the product.
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Is the man's real first name relevant? Did it sound better with his new surname? Did his new whole name have another meaning? Is a homophone with something relevant?
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Redwine
Is the man's real first name relevant? The first name before he changed it: it was Gerd, as we know. The first name after he changed it is relevant. Did it sound better with his new surname? The surname is not really relevant at all. Did his new whole name have another meaning? Hard to answer. I would say yope. Is a homophone with something relevant? No, not homophone.
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Did the man change his first name? Last name? Both?
Are man's initials relevant?
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Redwine
Did the man change his first name? Yes. Last name? No. Both? Only the first name.
Are man's initials relevant? No.
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Is it a true story? Is time relevant?
Is it relevant who was buying the ship parts from Gerd? Was it mainly one customer? More customers?
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Redwine
Is it a true story? Yes. Is time relevant? Not very much. It was in the 1950's, however.
Is it relevant who was buying the ship parts from Gerd? Was it mainly one customer? More customers? Definitely more than one and more than hundred. Possibly several thousands.
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Did Gerd change his first name to a common one? To a foreign one? Could only that one new first name serve Gerd's purpose? Did he change his name in purpose of improving his business? Did he expect the way the change influenced his business?
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Redwine
Did Gerd change his first name to a common one? No, not really a common one. To a foreign one? It was of foreign origin, at least that was what Gerd told the registrar in order to get the name accepted. Could only that one new first name serve Gerd's purpose? Only that one. Did he change his name in purpose of improving his business? Yes. Did he expect the way the change influenced his business? Yes.
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Does the new name express a quality of a businessman? Like "rich" or "honest"?
Does it refer to the quality of the product?
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Redwine
Does the new name express a quality of a businessman? No. Like "rich" or "honest"? No.
Does it refer to the quality of the product? To some aspect of it, yes.
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Does the name refer to the origin of the resources used to make the product? To the chemical properties of the product? To the lifespan of the product? To its durability? To its weight? To producer's experience in making the product? To the fact that the product performs well at tests?
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Redwine
Does the name refer to the origin of the resources used to make the product? Yope. To the chemical properties of the product? Yes. To the lifespan of the product? Yes. To its durability? Yes. To its weight? No. To producer's experience in making the product? No. To the fact that the product performs well at tests? No.
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Does the name refer to the material the product is made of? Like Steel?
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Redwine
Does the name refer to the material the product is made of? Yes. Like Steel? Yes, it refers to stainless steel.
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Did Gerd have also a relevant middle name?
Was his new name of English origin? Of French origin? Other European origin?
Is it relevant whether Gerd exports relevant products?
Does he produce the products? Only sell them?
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Redwine
Did Gerd have also a relevant middle name? Actually, that was what he did. He kept Gerd as his first name and adopted a middle name. But I did not want to over-complicate this. So, the relevant name is the middle name.
Was his new name of English origin? Of French origin? Other European origin? He claimed that it was of Japanese origin.
Is it relevant whether Gerd exports relevant products? Not relevant, and by that time he was mainly selling in Germany.
Does he produce the products? Only sell them? Both. He sells off-the-shelf products as well as custom-made items.
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Did Gerd want his customers assume he's Japanese? Did he want strange-sounding name to attract attention to his business?
Did the quasi-Japanese name sound in German like something associated with good quality stainless steel?
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Redwine
Did Gerd want his customers assume he's Japanese? No. Did he want strange-sounding name to attract attention to his business? It did not sound that strange in a given context. Rather, it sounded very familiar to his customers.
Did the quasi-Japanese name sound in German like something associated with good quality stainless steel? Exactly. The name was Niro, a common acronym for stainless steel in Germany, at least until the 1960s-70s. (from "nicht rostend" = non-corroding)

So, he changed his name from Gerd Petersen to Gerd Niro Petersen, and named his company "Niro Petersen GmbH" because he was selling things made of niro steel.

The only thing left to find out: why did he actually change his name, and not just advertise his business as "Niro steel yacht equipment Gerd Petersen", or something the like?
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Was he not allowed to use a business name that did not contain his name?
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Doriana
Was he not allowed to use a business name that did not contain his name? That is true, any company name had to contain the name of its owner. But this alone was not yet the reason for the name change. Why could not he simply add something like "Niro steel things .." to the name of his business?
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Did he have only little space somewhere (like on the shop's facade, on business cards, on his business paper) for the name of his business? Did he want to cut down the costs of advertising, which would be lower for shorter name?
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Would he have needed some kind of certification that his products are actually "niro"?
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Redwine
Did he have only little space somewhere (like on the shop's facade, on business cards, on his business paper) for the name of his business? No-ish to yope. Possibly he also wanted to have a short, easy-to-remember business name, but this was not the main reason. Did he want to cut down the costs of advertising, which would be lower for shorter name? No, this is not relevant.

Doriana
Would he have needed some kind of certification that his products are actually "niro"? This goes a bit into the right direction. But perhaps it is worth to tackle it from the other side. Nobody actually doubted that his products were Niro, rather ..
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Trademarks relevant? Did he want to be the only one who could have a business called "Niro (something)"? With "Niro" being his name, could he accuse anyone creating another company called "Niro (something)" of infringing his trademark? or of misrepresenting their products as being made by him?
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Trademarks relevant? Did he want to be the only one who could have a business called "Niro (something)"? With "Niro" being his name, could he accuse anyone creating another company called "Niro (something)" of infringing his trademark? or of misrepresenting their products as being made by him?
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Trademarks relevant? Yes. Did he want to be the only one who could have a business called "Niro (something)"? No, there is no reason why not someone else could have changed his name and do the same thing, too. With "Niro" being his name, could he accuse anyone creating another company called "Niro (something)" of infringing his trademark? It was not his trademark. or of misrepresenting their products as being made by him? No.
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Was "Niro" registered as someone else's trademark? Could the man have used "Niro" in his name of business, had it not been his first name? And registering "Niro" as his first name, he would have been legally obliged to put it in his business name and could not have been sued for using someone else's trademark?
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Redwine
Was "Niro" registered as someone else's trademark? Could the man have used "Niro" in his name of business, had it not been his first name? And registering "Niro" as his first name, he would have been legally obliged to put it in his business name and could not have been sued for using someone else's trademark? Could not describe it better. : )
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*** SPOILER ***

Unsatisfied with the going of his business, Gerd went to the registrar's office and signed a paper. A while after that things began to improve, his business grew and grew and, eventually, he became one of the richest men in town.

In the years after the war, Gert Petersen, of Flensburg, Germany, took over his father's business of making ladders, carts and appliances. Yacht equipment had always been a side line, and in the 1960s it became Petersen's main business. He was also among the first who replaced the traditional brass by stainless steel which required less maintenance and had become less expensive, too.

The catchword for stainless steel in that years in Germany was "Niro", so, Petersen tried to register his business simply as "Niro Petersen". However, he was turned back, on the grounds that "Niro" was a trademark held by the inventors of stainless steel, the company Thyssen.

Petersen tried to obtain the permission to use "Niro" but Thyssen refused (or claimed an unreasonable amount of money).

So, finally, Petersen changed his name and registered a Limited as "Niro Petersen GmbH".
Thyssen objected but Petersen defended himself on the grounds that German corporate law requires the name of a Limited Company to contain the name of at least one of its owners. Thus, Niro Petersen, as he was the only owner.

Thyssen tried to sue Petersen, but the court rejected the case, following Petersen's position that nobody can be held responsible for simply doing what the law requires him to do.

The company Niro Petersen still exists, and is still selling yacht equipment made of stainless steel. I don't know whether Gerd Niro Petersen himself is still alive, but if, he must be in his 90s now.


Thank you for participating, especially Redwine (-- the lawyer, of course) for the final solve.}

(Still thinking what the English equivalent of a "Schlitzohr" is ..)

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