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Alexanderhamilton (Alexanderhamilton)
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A man moves into a new neighborhood. One of his neighbors introduces himself, and they have the following conversation:

Neighbor: "Rather dismal January we're having, isn't it?"
Man: "...Um, yes I suppose so."
Neighbor: "What kind of car do you drive? I drive a Kia. How about you?"

The man responds by cussing the neighbor out and telling him he never wants to see him on his property again.
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Are both characters HAM? Are they both real people, at least as far as the puzzle goes (eg not video game characters)?

Did the man misunderstand anything? Was he insulted by the neighbour? Did the neighbour expect such a reaction when he made his comment? Was there some hidden meaning to his comment?

Is it relevant what car the man does drive? DOes he in fact drive any car?

Relevant where the neighbourhood is?
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Are both characters HAM? Are they both real people, at least as far as the puzzle goes (eg not video game characters)? Yes to both

Did the man misunderstand anything? No Was he insulted by the neighbour? No Did the neighbour expect such a reaction when he made his comment? No Was there some hidden meaning to his comment? Yes

Is it relevant what car the man does drive? DOes he in fact drive any car? Both irrelevant

Relevant where the neighbourhood is? Yes
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Would the reaction have been the same if the neighbor had said, "I drive a bicycle"? Or if he'd said, "I drive a Chevrolet"?

Has the man had some kind of bad experience in the past with a Kia?
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Would the reaction have been the same if the neighbor had said, "I drive a bicycle"? No Or if he'd said, "I drive a Chevrolet"? No

Has the man had some kind of bad experience in the past with a Kia? No
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Was the man's wife's name "Kia"?
If not was his daughter's name "Kia"?
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Was the man's wife's name "Kia"?
If not was his daughter's name "Kia"? Neither
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Are political, religious or other ethical views involved? Is the first question with the dismal January relevant too?
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Are political, religious or other ethical views involved? Yes Is the first question with the dismal January relevant too? Yes
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Does this take place in the Northern Hemisphere? or Southern Hemisphere? Is January the actual month this conversation takes place?
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Does this take place in the Northern Hemisphere? This or Southern Hemisphere? Is January the actual month this conversation takes place? Yes
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Is the neighbour member of an organization the other man dislikes? If yes, is it: A political party? Other political organization? A religious organization? Activists of some kind? A criminal gang?
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Is the neighbour member of an organization the other man dislikes? Yes If yes, is it: A political party? Other political organization? Slightly this A religious organization? Activists of some kind? A criminal gang? But this is closest
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Is this in the US? Elsewhere in America? Europe? Asia?

"Mostly criminal, slightly political" means: Do they have illegal political views? Radical political views? Do they engage in criminal activities to reach political targets? Can these criminal activities be considered terrorist actions? Hate crimes?

Or do they engage in politics to try and avoid prosecution? To get their activities legalized?
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Is this in the US? YesElsewhere in America? Europe? Asia?

"Mostly criminal, slightly political" means: Do they have illegal political views? If you mean something akin to European bans on Neo-Nazism, no, that isn't really a thing here Radical political views? Yes Do they engage in criminal activities to reach political targets? Yes Can these criminal activities be considered terrorist actions? Arguably Hate crimes? Definitely

Or do they engage in politics to try and avoid prosecution? To get their activities legalized? No to both
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Relevant who their hate crimes target? A certain race? Religion? Sexual orientation? gender? Ethnicity? Other political parties?

Did the Janurary and Kia comment combined somehow tip the man that his neighbor was in said organization?
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Is it relevant that Kia are made in Korea? Is the Korean war relevant? North Korea?
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Did the "dismal" in the man's question relate to: weather? economy? something completely different?
Is there one specific event in January relevant? possibly a historic event?
Is KIA an acronym of some kind? Did the man use "dismal January" and "KIA" as a kind of a code known only to insiders?
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Good point Sundowner, doesn't KIA stand for Killed in Action in the military?
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Relevant who their hate crimes target? Besides helping you figure out who they are, not really A certain race? This Religion? And this Sexual orientation? gender? Ethnicity? And this Other political parties?

Did the Janurary and Kia comment combined somehow tip the man that his neighbor was in said organization? Yes

Is it relevant that Kia are made in Korea? Is the Korean war relevant? North Korea? No to both

Did the "dismal" in the man's question relate to: weather? economy? something completely different? This, but slight FA
Is there one specific event in January relevant? possibly a historic event? No to both
Is KIA an acronym of some kind? <b>Yes!> Did the man use "dismal January" and "KIA" as a kind of a code known only to insiders? Yes

Good point Sundowner, doesn't KIA stand for Killed in Action in the military? Yes, but that isn't the acronym.
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Is the neighbor a KKK member?
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The A in Kia isn't really an A - it has no crossbar. Is this relevant?
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Is the neighbor a KKK member? He is indeed.

The A in Kia isn't really an A - it has no crossbar. Is this relevant? No

I could probably post a SPOILER now saying "The neighbor was using Klan code, and the man recognized it", but I'd hate to kill a vibrant puzzle. So I guess your mission is now to find out
a) what the acronym meant
b) why "dismal January" tipped him off
c) why he was absolutely positive the guy was a Klansman.
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Does the K in Kia stand for "Klan"?
"Dismal January" - is temperature relevant? Snow? Clouds? Snow = white = white supremacy?
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Does the K in Kia stand for "Klan"? Yes
"Dismal January" - is temperature relevant? Yesish Snow? Yesish Clouds? Snow = white = white supremacy? No to the rest
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Did it stand for Klan in Action? Klan in Area?

The word dismal is relevant, as well as January?
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Did it stand for Klan in Action? Klan in Area? No and no

The word dismal is relevant, as well as January? Both words are relevant
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Would a synonym for "dismal" work for this puzzle?
If the neighbor said "Rather depressing January..." would this still make sense?
How about "Rather bleak January..."?

Is the word "rather" relevant? any other words in the neighbors first sentence?

Would any month other than January work in this puzzle?
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Is it dismal because it didn't snow at all? Thus showing the brown grass instead of the white snow? But that's actually rather nice weather for that time of year, so no person would call it "dismal" if they meant it literally? Speaking of which, was the weather in January actually dismal, literally speaking? If not, was that what tipped him off that it was some sort of code?
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One more question: does "dismal January" stand for Death to Jews? Death to some other group of people beginning with J?
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Would a synonym for "dismal" work for this puzzle?
If the neighbor said "Rather depressing January..." would this still make sense?
How about "Rather bleak January..."? No to all

Is the word "rather" relevant? any other words in the neighbors first sentence? No

Would any month other than January work in this puzzle? Yes, but 'dismal' would have to change too

Is it dismal because it didn't snow at all? No Thus showing the brown grass instead of the white snow? But that's actually rather nice weather for that time of year, so no person would call it "dismal" if they meant it literally? No

Speaking of which, was the weather in January actually dismal, literally speaking? No If not, was that what tipped him off that it was some sort of code? Yes, partly. There's more to it.

One more question: does "dismal January" stand for Death to Jews? Death to some other group of people beginning with J? No to both
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Do dismal and January work to together to form literal code? Do they form a word? Phrase? Name of a person? Place? Or is it just that they are contradictory to the actual weather?
So if it was snowing in August, would the neighbor say a contradictory phrase for that? Like, "a rather lovely August"?
Could the guy have known neighbor was in the KKK with only the dismal January code, or was KIA neccessary to complete the code?
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Do dismal and January work to together to form literal code? Both are needed, but they don't "form" anything Do they form a word? Phrase? Name of a person? Place? Or is it just that they are contradictory to the actual weather?
So if it was snowing in August, would the neighbor say a contradictory phrase for that? Like, "a rather lovely August"? No

Could the guy have known neighbor was in the KKK with only the dismal January code, or was KIA neccessary to complete the code? He suspected it, but the KIA really confirmed it.
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Is it at all important how this guy knew KKK code? (Because I sure wouldn't have realized the neighbor was a Klansman.)

Anything about January besides the weather relevant? Like zodiac, spelling, events, etc?

For a different month, dismal wouldn't work. Could he still use a word meaning dismal for a different month? Would he use an antonym instead?

And we are to understand the weather wasn't dismal. Meaning there was no snow? Are KKK hoods at all relevant?
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Is it at all important how this guy knew KKK code? (Because I sure wouldn't have realized the neighbor was a Klansman.) I learned the code on Wikipedia. It isn't relevant.

Anything about January besides the weather relevant? NoLike zodiac, spelling, events, etc?

For a different month, dismal wouldn't work. Could he still use a word meaning dismal for a different month? Would he use an antonym instead? The actual meaning of the words are irrelevant. There are synonyms and antonyms that would work in other months, but there really isn't any order or meaning to the actual words.

And we are to understand the weather wasn't dismal. Meaning there was no snow? Yes Are KKK hoods at all relevant? No. The only reason that the weather is relevant is that it contradicted the neighbors statement, tipping the guy off to the code.
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Does KIA stand for Klan in _____? Klan is_____? Klan I am? (The last one sounds like if Dr. Seuss were a white supremacist. I doubt that's it.)
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Does KIA stand for Klan in _____? Klan is_____? Klan I am? Yes!(The last one sounds like if Dr. Seuss were a white supremacist. I doubt that's it.)Absurd as it is, that's how Klansman will secretly introduce themselves.

That's one third down.
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Does a "dismal January" indicate that the man thinks there are not enough white people living in the neighborhood or community? And he wants to know if his neighbor feels the same way?
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That man's house must be powered by Theodore Giesel spinning in his grave.

Is 'dismal' simply a klan kodeword for January? Do they have a different, specific one for every month?
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Does a "dismal January" indicate that the man thinks there are not enough white people living in the neighborhood or community? No And he wants to know if his neighbor feels the same way? No

Is 'dismal' simply a klan kodeword for January? Yes! Do they have a different, specific one for every month? Yes

So there's just one piece missing. The neighbor came up and said it was a dismal January, "dismal" being the Klan code for January. The man is suspicious, since he knows the code and it's been rather nice out. Then he told the man he drove a Kia, "Kia" being Klan code for the fact that he was Klan. What absolutely solidified in the man's mind that he was a Klansman?
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Was it something he did? Something he said? Something he was wearing? Something he was carrying? Some aspect of how he looked?

Do we have all the information needed to solve the puzzle in the original post?
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Was it just that KKK guy was white? Is the other man's race relevant? His religion? Did KKK guy think his neighbor was in the KKK too? Was the neighbor an undercover agent investigating the KKK?
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Or was the man's car parked in his driveway, and it was clearly not a Kia?
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Did he make some kind of Klan hand signal or other non-verbal sign? Did he have some object in his house or garden that tipped the neighbour off?
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Or was the man's car parked in his driveway, and it was clearly not a Kia? This is it.

******SPOILER*******
The man's suspicions were raised when the neighbor said it was a dismal January, given that it had been a particular warm and lovely January. But when the neighbor said he drove a Kia, that's when the man's Klan affiliation became glaringly obvious... since the man's Ford truck was right behind him! Having a knowledge of secret Klan Kode and recognizing what was being inferred, the man told his neighbor to $%^& off in no uncertain terms.

Great job to everyone who participated in this fun puzzle. Feel free to check out my other puzzles, Prong Impression and Accidental Hipster.
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Great puzzle - one of my favorites already. Plus I learned something new.

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