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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man walks into a room. A few minutes later he offers to buy a painting that is displayed there. The man is soon threatened, so he pays a woman and quickly exits the building. What's going on?

This is based on real life...but only part of it...
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there only the man and the woman in the room? Did the man take something from the room?
Did the woman threaten the man?
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Were there only the man and the woman in the room? No
Did the man take something from the room? No
Did the woman threaten the man? No
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The part of this puzzle that's from real life has been posted on at least one well-known website, so if you begin to recognize it please avoid an early $poil
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 6:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the man want to buy the painting? Was the painting valuable? Was the painting for sale?
Was the place an art gallery?
Did the man enter the room from outside of the building? From the other room inside the building?
Does the woman work in the room?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the man want to buy the painting? No
Was the painting valuable? Good q - hard to answer though, can you rephrase?
Was the painting for sale? Yes
Was the place an art gallery? No
Did the man enter the room from outside of the building? From the other room inside the building? Not really relevant but most likely he came in from outside
Does the woman work in the room? Yes
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Did the painting have great financial value? Was it made by the famous artist? Did it have historical or cultural value? Did it have emotional value to the woman? Did it have emotional value to the man? Did it have emotional value to other relevant person?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the painting have great financial value? Yes-ish
Was it made by the famous artist? No
Did it have historical or cultural value? No
Did it have emotional value to the woman? No
Did it have emotional value to the man? No, not at all
Did it have emotional value to other relevant person? Yes
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the painting have an artistic value? Was it inside the valuable frame? Did it have financial value because of the material it was painted on?
Did the man recognize the value of the painting?
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Did the painting have an artistic value? Possibly, but only to some of the people involved
Was it inside the valuable frame? No
Did it have financial value because of the material it was painted on? No
Did the man recognize the value of the painting? No, good q
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Was this an auction? Did the man just want to make the price higher?
Was the painting painted by a child?
Did somebody finally buy the painting?
Is the man threatened by the author of the painting? Is the author of the painting present in the room?
Are both man and woman human, adult and mentally sound?
Did the man pay the entrance fee? Price for some other item displayed there? Kind of compensation?
Did the man mistake the painting for something else?
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Was this an auction? No
Did the man just want to make the price higher? No
Was the painting painted by a child? No
Did somebody finally buy the painting? No


Is the man threatened by the author of the painting? Yes
Is the author of the painting present in the room? No - both great q's


Are both man and woman human, adult and mentally sound? Yes
Did the man pay the entrance fee? No, this doesn't apply here
Price for some other item displayed there? No
Kind of compensation? Yes-ish, explore!
Did the man mistake the painting for something else? No, he knew what it was
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Did the painting use any modern technology? Did the author threaten the man through the painting? Is the painting cursed? Did the man communicate with the author while he (the man) was in the room?
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Did the painting use any modern technology? Not relevant
Did the author threaten the man through the painting? I don't know what you mean, can you rephrase?
Is the painting cursed? No
Did the man communicate with the author while he (the man) was in the room? Yes
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Is the woman the author of the painting?
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Is the woman the author of the painting? No
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Did the man see something in the painting that he perceived as a threat? Correctly?
Is the subject of the painting relevant?
Is blackmail relevant?
Is either the man or the woman depicted in the painting?
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Did the man see something in the painting that he perceived as a threat? Correctly? No, OTWT
Is the subject of the painting relevant? No
Is blackmail relevant? No
Is either the man or the woman depicted in the painting? No
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Is it relevant what technique was used to paint the painting?
Was man's life threatened? Was his health threatened? Were his finances threatened?
Did the man phone the author? Did the author phone the man? Did woman communicate with the author during the situation?
Was there a sort of videoconference?
Is it relevant what was depicted on the painting?
Did the man really offer to buy the painting? Did he do something that was taken as an offer to buy the painting and he was not aware of that?
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Is it relevant what technique was used to paint the painting? Is it relevant what was depicted on the painting? Both of these are entirely irrelevant
Was man's life threatened? Was his health threatened? No to these
Were his finances threatened? Yes-ish, and only indirectly
Did the man phone the author? No but very OTRT
Did the author phone the man? No but again very OTRT
Did woman communicate with the author during the situation? No
Was there a sort of videoconference? Not this but again very OTRT
Did the man really offer to buy the painting? Yes (but an FA is lurking here)
Did he do something that was taken as an offer to buy the painting Yes, and he meant it to be this
and he was not aware of that? He was very aware of it, but...
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2014 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So I guess it's relevant how exactly the man's offer was made?
Did the man destroy the painting? Damage it in any way?
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So I guess it's relevant how exactly the man's offer was made? Yes
Did the man destroy the painting? No, but... Damage it in any way? ...NO, he didn't, but the artist thought the man had done this.
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Did the man do something relevant between entering the room and offering to buy painting? When the man offered to buy the painting, was it already "damaged"?
Did there occur a language difficulty or misunderstanding between man and artist?
Was man's offer spoken? Written? Did he do it by doing a sign?
The painting is an ordinary, traditionally made painting, correct?
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Did the man do something relevant between entering the room and offering to buy painting? In actuality no (and this is a lurking FA), but the artist believed that he did
When the man offered to buy the painting, was it already "damaged"? In actuality no, but the artist believed that it was
Did there occur a language difficulty or misunderstanding between man and artist? No
Was man's offer spoken? Written? This (and you were very close with "phoned")
Did he do it by doing a sign? No
The painting is an ordinary, traditionally made painting, correct? Correct
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Did the man text the artist with the offer of buying the painting? Is autocorrection relevant?
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RECAP -

A man enters a room and sees a painting. He does not really want to buy it, but he contacts the artist and offers to buy the painting. The room is not at an art gallery, and there is a woman who works in the room. The man offering to buy the painting (likely) does not think it is as valuable as the artist does. The man contacts the artist, but he does not do this by calling him on the phone (but this is very, very close to the method he uses). The artist believes that the man has damaged the painting. Neither the man or the artist ever talk directly to the woman. The style and subject of the painting are not relevant.
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Did the man text the artist with the offer of buying the painting? Yes
Is autocorrection relevant? No
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Did the man pretend to be interested in buying the painting to get some information from the author?
Did he initially think that the painting was made by someone famous? Did he want to ask for a price?
Was the place an office? Was it a government building?
Did the man pretend to be interested in buying the painting to enter somewhere?
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Did the man pretend to be interested in buying the painting YES (and this really happened)
to get some information from the author? No, this wasn't his motive
Did he initially think that the painting was made by someone famous? No, he knew it wasn't
Did he want to ask for a price? No
Was the place an office? Was it a government building? No to both - the location will be helpful in discovering why the man offered to buy the painting
Did the man pretend to be interested in buying the painting to enter somewhere? No
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Did the man know from the very beginning who painted the painting? Did he, from the beginning, estimate correctly its value?
Was the place a public place? Someone's home?
Did the man enter the place with the plan to pretend to be interested in the painting? Did the man want to rob the place? Did the man plan to gain financially on that action?
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Did the man know from the very beginning who painted the painting? Yes, this was indicated by a sign next to the painting
Did he, from the beginning, estimate correctly its value? He didn't have to, it was displayed also
Was the place a public place? Someone's home? Neither
Did the man enter the place with the plan to pretend to be interested in the painting? I don't know for sure, but based on what I know about this man it is very likely that he did, and that this was the only reason he entered. He may have had one other reason for entering, which relates to the woman.
Did the man want to rob the place? Did the man plan to gain financially on that action? No to both
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Did the man need an invitation to enter the room? Did he know the author before? Was man and author family? Was the author man's ex-wife? Did the man offer to buy the painting so that noone else could buy it?
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Did the man need an invitation to enter the room? No
Did he know the author before? No
Was man and author family? Was the author man's ex-wife? No
Did the man offer to buy the painting so that noone else could buy it? No, this wasn't his reason
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Did the man know the woman before? Was she his family? Relative? Friend?
Did the man enter the room for private purpose? For professional purpose?
Did the man expect relevant reaction to his offer to buy the painting?
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Did the man know the woman before? Was she his family? Relative? Friend? No to all, and she really isn't that important except to help determine the kind of place the man was, and the reason for one comment the man made
Did the man enter the room for private purpose? For professional purpose? Private - this is a good place to explore
Did the man expect relevant reaction to his offer to buy the painting? YES, and he got it too.
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Was the place a shop? A bar? Is it primary business of the place to sell paintings? Does the place do business at all?
Is it sort of community service place? Like hospital? Or school?
Is the woman the only worker in that place? Is she the owner of the place?
Is it relevant how the woman got the painting? Did the author give it to her? With purpose of her selling it?
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Was the place a shop? A bar? Not exactly either of these, but you're OTRT
Is it primary business of the place to sell paintings? No, the business has one main purpose but it is something unrelated to art.
Does the place do business at all? Yes - and in the US (and likely other countries) it would be common to see paintings for sale in this kind of place
Is it sort of community service place? Like hospital? Or school? No
Is the woman the only worker in that place? No, there would be several more
Is she the owner of the place? Possibly, but irrelevant
Is it relevant how the woman got the painting? FA, the woman was never directly given the painting. She knows the painting is there but likely has never seen or met the artist (unless she is the owner)
Did the author give it to her? No
With purpose of her selling it? This was his reason for putting the painting where it is, but the woman was most likely not at all involved

You're doing a great job of working through this one on your own! I'll add some hints if you'd like...
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Was it a library? A cafe? A mean of transportation? A hotel?
It's a private indoor place and not a home, correct? Is it a government place?
Do people need permission to enter there? Do they have to pay for entrance? Do people usually eat or drink there?
Would it be correct to say that the artist deposited the painting to the place's owner so that it was displayed in this place for sale? Did the artist have to pay the place's owner some kind of fee for having his/her painting displayed in the place?
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Was it a library? A cafe? Yes, "cafe" or "restaurant."
A mean of transportation? A hotel?
It's a private indoor place and not a home, correct? Is it a government place? So no to all of these
Do people need permission to enter there? Do they have to pay for entrance? Do people usually eat or drink there? It's a restaurant in which local artists display their art for sale, but it isn't by any means exclusive, anyone can come in to dine.
Would it be correct to say that the artist deposited the painting to the place's owner so that it was displayed in this place for sale? Yes, that's exactly what he did
Did the artist have to pay the place's owner some kind of fee for having his/her painting displayed in the place? Not relevant
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Did the man order any food or drink? Did the artist assume that painting was damaged with food or drink?
Are more details about the restaurant needed? If yes: is it a buffet type restaurant? A restaurant with waiters? A restaurant that offers relevant cuisine?
Is texting the artist usual method of offering to buy paintings in such places? Would the man normally make his offer to the restaurant's employees?
Is it relevant how the man got artist's phone number?
Does the man speak in the language that is spoken in the place?
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Did the man order any food or drink? Unknown, and not entirely relevant
Did the artist assume He didn't have to assume...that painting was damaged with food or drink? ...but yes, the artist became under the impression that the painting was damaged with food
Are more details about the restaurant needed? If yes: is it a buffet type restaurant? A restaurant with waiters? A restaurant that offers relevant cuisine? The only relevant thing is the woman, who is a waitress at the restaurant. She is not directly involved in the conversation between the man and the artist, but she is briefly mentioned (and it's relevant why she is mentioned)
Is texting the artist usual method of offering to buy paintings in such places? No, and based on how he responded to the texts this may be the first time anyone has texted him about one of his paintings
Would the man normally make his offer to the restaurant's employees? Unknown, and based on the artist's response he was not expecting any offers except to pay full price
Is it relevant how the man got artist's phone number? Not really, the artist's phone number was posted on the sign that displayed the price of the painting. This fact is relevant to the rest of the events in the puzzle, though.
Does the man speak in the language that is spoken in the place? Yes
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Did the artist think that the man damaged the painting? That the waitress damaged the painting?
Did the man misbehave towards the waitress?
The man did not enter the restaurant to eat or drink, correct? He did not also enter to buy the painting, but he used it as a pretext to enter, still correct?
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Did the artist think that the man damaged the painting? Yes, at some point he was led to believe that this was the case (although in real life no damage had been done to the painting)
That the waitress damaged the painting? No, the waitress had not been mentioned yet when the man told the artist that the painting was damaged
Did the man misbehave towards the waitress? No, there is no evidence that the man ever even spoke to the waitress (but he did mention her to the artist for a relevant reason)
The man did not enter the restaurant to eat or drink, correct? He did not also enter to buy the painting, but he used it as a pretext to enter, still correct? His initial reason for entering the restaurant is unknown. It's also unknown if he knew the painting was there before he entered. The only thing about this topic that is known is that the man was in the restaurant (there is proof of this), and that he had no intention of buying the painting.
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Is the man famous?
So... the man lied to the artist that the painting had been damaged, correct?
Was it a sort of hidden camera? Psychological experiment?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 3:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the man famous? I don't know, I found out who he is after reading about him on a well-known popular web site
So... the man lied to the artist that the painting had been damaged, correct? Yes
Was it a sort of hidden camera? Psychological experiment? Not but VERY OTRT!
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 3:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a kind of journalist provocation? TV show? Was the man a comic?
Did the man want to test the artist? The waitress? Other people present in the restaurant?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 4:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a kind of journalist provocation? TV show? Not this type, but... Was the man a comic? Yes!
Did the man want to test the artist? Yes
The waitress? Other people present in the restaurant? No, the test was directed only at the artist
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 4:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

RECAP: The man is a comic/comedian, and he goes to a restaurant where a painting is on display. A sign near the painting shows the price for the painting, the artist's name and phone number. The man sends a text message to the artist letting the artist know that he wants to buy the painting. At a later point, the man makes the artist believe that the painting has been damaged by getting food on it. At another later point, the man mentions a waitress in the restaurant.

This is now nearly solved, just look at the puzzle statement and see if you can fill in the few missing details...
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, did the comedian finally tell the artist that it was a test and no harm was done to the painting? Did the artist find it not funny? Did the artist threaten to call the police? Did the comedian pay the waitress full price for the painting? Did the comedian expect that he might have pay?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 7:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, did the comedian finally tell the artist that it was a test and no harm was done to the painting? Yes
Did the artist find it not funny? No, not in the least, so...
Did the artist threaten to call the police?...yes, the man told the artist something (involving the woman) that made the artist threaten to call the police
Did the comedian pay the waitress full price for the painting? No. In real life he never paid her anything (because there was nothing wrong with the painting), but you are OTRT with the reason why the waitress was mentioned. Figure this out and I'll consider this puzzle done!
Did the comedian expect that he might have pay? You mean did he think that he may actually have to pay? No, he knew that there was no reason he would have to pay.

Almost done...
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the comedian suggest that the waitress is his accomplice? Did he tell the artist:
that he was going to harm the waitress?
that he'll keep the waitress as a hostage?
that he considers the waitress part of the bargain?
that the waitress will confirm that the painting is damaged?
that the waitress refused to sell him the painting?

Did the comedian mention the waitress before telling the artist that it was a joke? After?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the comedian suggest that the waitress is his accomplice? Did he tell the artist:
that he was going to harm the waitress?
that he'll keep the waitress as a hostage?
that he considers the waitress part of the bargain?
that the waitress will confirm that the painting is damaged?
that the waitress refused to sell him the painting? No, he didn't tell the artist any of these. He did tell the artist that he was going to interact with the waitress, but it was going to be a simple interaction.

Did the comedian mention the waitress before telling the artist that it was a joke? After? He mentioned the waitress just before he revealed the joke. It was right after he mentioned the waitress that the artist threatened to call the police.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If the comedian had really done this interaction with the waitress, would it have been a crime?
Did the comedian tell the artist that he will order some food or drink? That he will further damage the painting? That he will steal the painting? That he will give the waitress money?
Did the artist think that waitress was in danger?
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If the comedian had really done this interaction with the waitress, would it have been a crime? Yes
Did the comedian tell the artist that he will order some food or drink? No
That he will further damage the painting? No (but he implied that he'd already done this)
That he will steal the painting? In a manner of speaking...
That he will give the waitress money? Yes! So why would this make the artist threaten him?
Did the artist think that waitress was in danger? No
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the artist think that the comedian would bribe the waitress? Did the artist think that the money should go to him, not to the waitress?
In case that someone would really like to buy the painting, should he pay the price to the waitress? Directly to the artist?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the artist think that the comedian would bribe the waitress? No
Did the artist think that the money should go to him, not to the waitress? Yes, but...(see below)
In case that someone would really like to buy the painting, should he pay the price to the waitress? Directly to the artist? The artist expected that anyone interested in the painting would either call him to make an offer, or pay the full asking price to someone working in the restaurant, and they would give the money to the artist. The man told the artist that he was going to do this (give money to the waitress for the painting), but there was a reason that the artist threatened to call the police (besides the fact that the man had supposedly damaged the painting). So what was the reason?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the comedian somehow imply that the waitress will not give the money to the artist? Did he imply that he will give the waitress the money as something else, not the price of painting?
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Did the comedian somehow imply that the waitress will not give the money to the artist? No, but...Did he imply that he will give the waitress the money as something else, not the price of painting?...YES!


**** SPOILER ****

This puzzle is based on a prank that someone played in real life (posted on Facebook). The man sent a text message to the artist telling him that he wanted to buy the painting. The artist wanted the man to call him so he could discuss the price. The man then told the artist that, honestly, he would have to buy the painting because one of his children had thrown food onto it. The artist became a little uneasy and asked the man to please call him about this. The man then told the artist that he was attempting to rub the food off of the painting, and at this point the artist became angry and started demanding that the man answer his phone when the artist called him. The man texted back that he could not answer the phone due to noise in the restaurant, but that he would try again to clean the painting. As the artist grew more angry, the man finally said that he had to leave the restaurant but would give the waitress some money (a small fraction of the painting's cost) to give to the artist. At this, the artist demanded that the man not leave the restaurant or he would call the police. After offering to trade some worthless things for the painting, the man finally revealed the joke to the artist. It's one of the funniest pranks I think I have ever read about.



Redwine you truly get the prize for this one!
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow, that was fun to play. Thanks Ixoye.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well done. I have still have one open, and I'll add a new one soon...

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