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A man steps over a rope and walks around a bull. After this, he is considered a qualified sailor. Explain.
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Do all the words in the puzzle statement have their ususal meaning?
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The man H/A/M? steps over a rope as in putting his feet over it? is he stepping on the rope? walking on it? does he touch the rope? with his feet? with other parts of his body? a rope made of natural fibres? a steel rope? is the rope lying on the ground? at some height above the ground? is it on a ship? The bull B/A/M (bovine, alive, male)? lying? sitting? standing? sleeping? Does the man walk around the bull as in doing a circular path around it? (relevant in which distance from the bull?) is the bull aware of the man walking around?
Qualified sailor as in: captain? boatswain? navigator? pilot? able seaman? cadet? admiral? something else?
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Do all the words in the puzzle statement have their usual meaning? Yes. But explore.

The man H/A/M? Yes to all. steps over a rope as in putting his feet over it? Yes. is he stepping on the rope? No. walking on it? No. does he touch the rope? No. with his feet? with other parts of his body? a rope made of natural fibres? This. a steel rope? is the rope lying on the ground? Yes. at some height above the ground? No. is it on a ship? No. The bull B/A/M (bovine Yes., alive No., male Yes/irr.)? lying? sitting? standing? sleeping? Does the man walk around the bull as in doing a circular path around it? Yes. (relevant in which distance from the bull? Mildly.) is the bull aware of the man walking around? No.
Qualified sailor as in: captain? boatswain? navigator? pilot? able seaman? This. cadet? admiral? something else?
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Is the bull deceased? Is it a representation of a bull? A statue? A figurehead?
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Is the rope attached to the bull? around the bull's neck?
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Does the man walk around the bull once?
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Is the bull deceased? Irrelevant, but assume yes. Is it a representation of a bull? A statue? A figurehead? None of these.

Is the rope attached to the bull? around the bull's neck? No to both.

Does the man walk around the bull once? Assume yes.
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Is this a play on words?
Does it take place at or near the sea?
Time period relevant?
Did this really happen?
Could it?
Is it some kind of ritual?
Could anyone "pulled in from the street" as it were, do the same thing and be declared able seaman?
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Is this a play on words? No.
Does it take place at or near the sea? Assume in a seaport.
Time period relevant? Assume 19th Century.
Did this really happen? Not impossible, but I'd be surprised if it did.
Could it? Yes.
Is it some kind of ritual? No.
Could anyone "pulled in from the street" as it were, do the same thing and be declared able seaman? Oh, yes.
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I have a certain song in mind and I'm trying to confirm my suspicions...

Were there other relevant actions being made, and among these one concerning windows? Was there a woman with a bucket?
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Were there other relevant actions being made, and among these one concerning windows? Was there a woman with a bucket? Yes to both. Don't give it away!
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OK, I stop asking questions. You made me sing this all day long today and yesterday.
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Heh. Didn't know you were into folk music too, Redwine!
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Could anyone "pulled in from the street" as it were, do the same thing and be declared able seaman? Oh, yes.

So I presume there's a relevant reason for his being declared a qualified sailor? Is there some financial reason? Is he trying to impress someone?
Woman with a bucket - is the bucket full of water? Fish? Is it empty?
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I am rather into sea songs than folk music, but it's sometimes the same :-)
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Was the man about being drawn for the Navy? was the stepping over the rope and the walk around the bull kind of a test? a test of seamanship? drill commands relevant?
Did this happen outdoors? indoors?
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So I presume there's a relevant reason for his being declared a qualified sailor? Yes. Is there some financial reason? Irr. Is he trying to impress someone? Yes.
Woman with a bucket - is the bucket full of water? This. Fish? Is it empty?

Was the man about being drawn for the Navy? No. was the stepping over the rope and the walk around the bull kind of a test? No. a test of seamanship? But might appear to be. drill commands relevant? Not to these particular "tests."
Did this happen outdoors? indoors? Indoors, but mostly irrelevant.
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Is he trying to impress a woman? The woman with bucket?
Is the bucket woman washing the windows?
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Is he trying to impress a woman? The woman with bucket?
Is the bucket woman washing the windows? No to all.
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Is he the only one who is doing these things?
or were there a lot of people "pulled from the street" to become an able seaman this way?
Has the man indeed the rank of an able seaman after this? does he get a certificate?
Is there a trick or a loophole in the regulations, so that everyone could officially (on the paper) become an able seaman this way?
As it is indoors: I suppose it is not very convenient to keep a deceased bull indoors -- is, rather, just a part of a bull relevant? its skin? tail? a skull (with horns, of the kind you sometimes can see at a farm)?

Greetings from Odessa
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Is he the only one who is doing these things? No.
or were there a lot of people "pulled from the street" to become an able seaman this way? Yes.
Has the man indeed the rank of an able seaman after this? Not yet. does he get a certificate? Possibly.
Is there a trick or a loophole in the regulations, so that everyone could officially (on the paper) become an able seaman this way? Something like that, though no regulation is involved and at the time none was required.
As it is indoors: I suppose it is not very convenient to keep a deceased bull indoors True. -- is, rather, just a part of a bull relevant? Yes. its skin? tail? a skull (with horns, of the kind you sometimes can see at a farm)? This, exactly. It could be an unskinned head as well.
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Is this some kind of training?
Do the rope and the bull's head actually resemble something else?
Is the term "crossing the line" relevant? (rope = line, as in "log line", for instance)
Is the bucket of water required to clean something?
Is the man told to clean the floor? as a test of his ability or willingness to keep the ship tidy?
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Is this some kind of training? Yesish.
Do the rope and the bull's head actually resemble something else? No. If you meant "represent", yes.
Is the term "crossing the line" relevant? Yes. (rope = line, as in "log line", for instance) No.
Is the bucket of water required to clean something? No.
Is the man told to clean the floor? No. as a test of his ability or willingness to keep the ship tidy? No.
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Just an idea .. did this happen in London Street?
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Just an idea .. did this happen in London Street? Yes. Though I learned it as London Road.
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I know that when boats are moored to docks, the rope is often wound around something (I have no idea what it's called) that looks kind of like a bull's horns, with two metal prongs pointing up and in opposite directions. Is this relevant?
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I know that when boats are moored to docks, the rope is often wound around something (I have no idea what it's called) that looks kind of like a bull's horns, with two metal prongs pointing up and in opposite directions. Is this relevant? No. (They're called cleats, IIRC.)
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Hint: He is NOT a qualified sailor.
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Does the man declare himself a qualified sailor afterwards? in order to be hired on a ship? in order to earn money? in order to impress his girl? his parents?
Is there any scam going on? is the man paying for this sort of training or test?
Any play on words relevant here?
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Does the man declare himself a qualified sailor afterwards? Probably. in order to be hired on a ship? Yes. in order to earn money? Yes. in order to impress his girl? No. his parents? No.
Is there any scam going on? Yes. is the man paying for this sort of training or test? Probably, but irrelevant.
Any play on words relevant here? Yes.
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Is the phrase 'round the horn' relevant?
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Is the phrase 'round the horn' relevant? Yes.
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I'm a bit vague on the details but going round Cape Horn used to be (still is to an extent) a milestone achievement in sailing, correct? So the person walks round the horns of a bull, and so can claim they have been round the horn?
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I'm a bit vague on the details but going round Cape Horn used to be (still is to an extent) a milestone achievement in sailing, correct? So the person walks round the horns of a bull, and so can claim they have been round the horn? Correct. And "crossing the line" equates to going over the Equator.

SPOILER:

This puzzle was based on the song Paddy West, which concerns an apocryphal "sailing school."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkJOh6wOa7g

The relevant verses:

Now seein' we're bound for the south'ard, boys, to Frisco we were bound;
Paddy he takes a length of rope, and he lays it on the ground,
We all steps over, and back again, and he says to me "That's fine,
And if they ask were you ever at sea you can say you've crossed the Line."

There's just one thing for you to do before you sail away,
Just step around the table, with the bullocks on display
And if they ask were you ever at sea you can say "Ten times 'round the Horn,"
And By Jesus but you're an old sailor since the day that you was born.

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