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WiZ and a few others will understand the puzzle title. This is probably an easy one but I've had a long bout of puzzlers block so be gentle.

A detective solves a murder case and the guilty man confesses all . The murderer remarks that the detective seemed to focus on him from the outset even though there were a number of other suspects with motive and opportunity. 'How come you knew it was me all the time'

'Simple' says the Detective 'I was looking for a cigar smoker'.

Can you explain?
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I'm standing in the place where I work, so...

Is the method of murder relevant?
The location of the crime?
Was only one person murdered? Or more?
Did the murderer leave evidence at the crime scene?
Were any other suspects cigar smokers?
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Murderer and detective both HAM?
Does the murderer indeed smoke cigars?

Did the murderer kill one person? Multiple? Relevant who the victim was? A relative? Friend? Co-worker? Spouse? Stranger?

Method of murder relevant? Did he shoot them? Stab? Strangle? Smother? Drown? Poison? [Nicotine poisoning at all relevant? :-)]
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Is the smell of smoke relevant? Any waste material from smoking (such as papers)?
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Ixoye

I'm standing in the place where I work, so... I think my desk actually does face west Hee hee

Is the method of murder relevant? No
The location of the crime? Yes but in a general sense
Was only one person murdered? Yes Or more?
Did the murderer leave evidence at the crime scene? Yes
Were any other suspects cigar smokers? Not cigar smokers no
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Murderer and detective both HAM? Yes but wouldn't absolutely have to be
Does the murderer indeed smoke cigars? Yes

Did the murderer kill one person? this Multiple? Relevant who the victim was? no not really A relative? Friend? Co-worker? Spouse? Stranger? Only relevant that a number of people had a reason to kill the victim including the actual killer

Method of murder relevant? Did he shoot them? Stab? Strangle? Smother? Drown? Poison? no to all [Nicotine poisoning at all relevant? :-)] No but there's got to be a puzzle in that theory
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Is the smell of smoke relevant? No but like the thinking Any waste material from smoking (such as papers)? Yes but be careful
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My puzzle 'Sign, Sign, Everywhere a Sign' had a woman killed in a salon by nicotine poisoning. Detectives smelled it, and knew something was up due to No Smoking signs.

Did the killer leave behind ashes? Burn marks on something? Catch something on fire?
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My puzzle 'Sign, Sign, Everywhere a Sign' had a woman killed in a salon by nicotine poisoning. Detectives smelled it, and knew something was up due to No Smoking signs. Nice

Did the killer leave behind ashes? Burn marks on something? Catch something on fire? No to all
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Was a cigar butt left behind? Or the little piece that someone cuts off before they light a cigar? Or the wrapper from a cigar?
Did the murderer leave footprints? Fingerprints? Hair? Saliva? Other physical evidence?
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Was a cigar butt left behind? Or the little piece that someone cuts off before they light a cigar? Or the wrapper from a cigar? No to all
Did the murderer leave footprints? Fingerprints? Hair? Saliva? Other physical evidence? No to all
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Did the murderer perform some kind of action that is typical among cigar smokers? Did anyone see him at the crime scene? Did anyone besides the murderer see the victim before he died? Was the murder unplanned? Or pre-meditated? Did the murdered leave the crime scene before the victim was dead? Did someone else arrive before the victim died? Was the victim's last word, "Cigar"?
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Were the other suspects smokers? Of cigarettes? Pipes? Something else?

Location is generally relevant: Outdoors? Indoors? Urban? Suburban? Rural? Country relevant?

Is the language spoken relevant? (smoking stuff has different names in different places -- cigarillos instead of cigarettes, that sort of thing.) By cigar is meant the large thing you chomp on and have to cut the end off of, right?

Does the murderer smoke commercial cigars or roll his own? Imported or local? Relevant?

Is a knife or cigar cutting machine relevant?

Animals relevant?
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Were any complete cigars left behind? A cigar box? A receipt for buying cigars?
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Ixoye

Did the murderer perform some kind of action that is typical among cigar smokers? Yesish Did anyone see him at the crime scene? No Did anyone besides the murderer see the victim before he died? Assume no Was the murder unplanned? Or pre-meditated? Let's say this Did the murdered leave the crime scene before the victim was dead? Irrelevant Did someone else arrive before the victim died? no the victim was dead before anyone else got there Was the victim's last word, "Cigar"? No
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Were the other suspects smokers? Yes Of cigarettes? Yes Pipes? Something else? no to rest

Location is generally relevant: Outdoors? Indoors? Yes this is the only location info you need i.e. urban rural country does not matter Urban? Suburban? Rural? Country relevant?

Is the language spoken relevant? (smoking stuff has different names in different places -- cigarillos instead of cigarettes, that sort of thing.) No By cigar is meant the large thing you chomp on and have to cut the end off of, right? Hee Hee I like your cigar definition and yes that's what I mean

Does the murderer smoke commercial cigars or roll his own? Imported or local? Relevant? Not really relevant, assume he smoked a brand of large cuban cigars

Is a knife or cigar cutting machine relevant? No

Animals relevant? No - I'd be interested in hearing the theory that lies behind this question
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Were any complete cigars left behind? A cigar box? A receipt for buying cigars? No to all
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Is it relevant if the cigars come each one packed separately? Or all in one box?
Were there any relevant traces on the body?
Were there a limited number of people possibly involved? Were they all smokers? Was there an ashtray with cigarette leftovers that was confirmed to belong to all people involved but one?
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Relevant how long it takes to smoke a cigar vs a cigarette?
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Is it relevant if the cigars come each one packed separately? Or all in one box? No to both
Were there any relevant traces on the body? no
Were there a limited number of people possibly involved? Lets say there were 6 suspects the killer and the victim Were they all smokers? Lets say yes they all smoked Cigarettes except the killer who was a cigar man

Was there an ashtray yes... with cigarette leftovers that was confirmed to belong to all people involved but one? but no to the rest

It might help if you consider this an Agatha Christie type story where the detective gets all the suspects in a room and goes through all the evidence before revealing the killer. Obviously he gathers other evidence which will not be dealt with here but what first puts him on the track of the killer is the fact that he's a cigar smoker
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Relevant how long it takes to smoke a cigar vs a cigarette? No but good thinking
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Did the suspects smoke cigarettes in the presence of detective? Was there an evidence suggesting that the victim gave somebody a cigar? Did the victim smoke cigars?
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Did the suspects smoke cigarettes in the presence of detective? Yes they did and the killer smoked cigars in front of him too Was there an evidence suggesting that the victim gave somebody a cigar? No Did the victim smoke cigars? No he didn't
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Is it relevant that cigarette smokers exhibit more signs of smoking than cigar smokers do? Things like "smoker's cough"? Yellow teeth? Stained hands and/or fingers? Wrinkles around the mouth?
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Is it relevant that cigarette smokers exhibit more signs of smoking than cigar smokers do? Things like "smoker's cough"? Yellow teeth? Stained hands and/or fingers? Wrinkles around the mouth? No to all but nice thinking
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Was the ashtray in the room where the murder was committed? Or in the room where detective gathered suspects? Was the cigar man nervous from nicotine hunger, because he left his cigar pack next to the body and could not retrieve it?
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Was the ashtray in the room where the murder was committed? Lets say it was in the house that the murder was committed in Or in the room where detective gathered suspects? No Was the cigar man nervous from nicotine hunger, because he left his cigar pack next to the body and could not retrieve it? No
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Was an ashtray used as the murder weapon? Or used in an attempt at murder?
I can't recall...was the victim a smoker? If so, did he smoke cigarettes? Cigars? Something else?
Were any matches found at the crime scene? A lighter?
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Was an ashtray used as the murder weapon? Or used in an attempt at murder? No to both
I can't recall...was the victim a smoker? He wasn't If so, did he smoke cigarettes? Cigars? Something else?
Were any matches found at the crime scene? Yes A lighter? No
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So there was an ashtray...at the crime scene? Or somewhere else? At the place where the suspects were being interviewed?

Is it possible that the detective guessed that the suspect was a smoker because of the matches found at the crime scene? And because it was evident that it was not the victim that had used the matches? Did the detective expect to find cigarette butts at the crime scene?
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"Animals relevant? No - I'd be interested in hearing the theory that lies behind this question": There wasn't one, I just wanted to rule them out. Sorry. :p

Childbirth relevant?
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So there was an ashtray...at the crime scene? Yes Or somewhere else? At the place where the suspects were being interviewed?

Is it possible that the detective guessed that the suspect was a smoker because of the matches found at the crime scene? Yes and it's match singular And because it was evident that it was not the victim that had used the matches? Yes Did the detective expect to find cigarette butts at the crime scene? No
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"Animals relevant? No - I'd be interested in hearing the theory that lies behind this question": There wasn't one, I just wanted to rule them out. Sorry. :p A good approach

Childbirth relevant? Only insofar as everybody in this puzzle was of woman born
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Did all cigarette smokers use lighters (or other stuff that is not a match) to light their cigarettes? Would it be possible to light a cigar using their lighters (or whatever they use as long as it's not a match)?
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Did all cigarette smokers use lighters (or other stuff that is not a match) to light their cigarettes? Not necessarily they could have used matches Would it be possible to light a cigar using their lighters (or whatever they use as long as it's not a match)? Yes you could light a cigar with a lighter
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Was a clue found in the ashtray? Is it possible to distinguish cigar ash from cigarette ash?
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Was a clue found in the ashtray? Yes Is it possible to distinguish cigar ash from cigarette ash? It would be but there was no ash in the ashtray
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Don't forget that this clue is not definitive proof but is responsible for pointing the detective in the direction of the guilty man. He obviously gathers other conclusive evidence which forces the confession but you don't need to concern yourself with that.
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Was the match found in the ashtray? Only one match? More? Burnt? Unburnt?
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Was the match found in the ashtray? Yes, now we are getting somewhere Only one match? Yes More? Burnt? this Unburnt?
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Was the ashtray found in the victim's house? In the criminal's house? In a car? Elsewhere?
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Was the ashtray found in the victim's house? Yes In the criminal's house? In a car? Elsewhere? So no to rest
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Did the killer smoke the cigar in the victim's house? Relevant how he disposed of the burnt cigar?
Was anything other than the match found in the ashtray?
Did the ashtray belong to the victim? (He wasn't a smoker...)
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Is there anything abnormal about the match?
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Did the killer smoke the cigar in the victim's house? He must have lit it on his way out Relevant how he disposed of the burnt cigar? No
Was anything other than the match found in the ashtray? No
Did the ashtray belong to the victim? (He wasn't a smoker...) Yes

Is there anything abnormal about the match? Abnormal is not how i'd describe it but...
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Unusual? Is it longer or shorter than normal matches? Is it a fireplace match?
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Is the match not burnt? Does it contain traces of the cigar? Does it matter whether it was from a matchbox or matchbook? If so, was it obviously from a brand marketed to cigar smokers?
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Was it a long match? with a long portion of it burnt? as it takes longer to lit a cigar than to lit a cigarette?
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Balin

Unusual? Somewhat Is it longer or shorter than normal matches? A normal match Is it a fireplace match? No. Help is at hand

Jenburdoo
Is the match not burnt? No Does it contain traces of the cigar? no Does it matter whether it was from a matchbox or matchbook? No If so, was it obviously from a brand marketed to cigar smokers? no but that's a nice thought

Ostap

Was it a long match? Not necessarily but... with a long portion of it burnt? Yes as it takes longer to lit a cigar than to lit a cigarette? and yes again...

...Excellent kill Ostap

***********Spoiler*************

The victim is found murdered in his apartment/house. The only clue is the presence of a single match in an otherwise unused ashtray. This intrigued the detective as there was nothing in the room like a candle or stove that would have required a match to light it and the victim was a non smoker.

He correctly deduced that the match belonged to the murderer and he had obviously lit a smoke on his way out of the house after committing the deed.

Soon a list of 6 possible suspects was drawn up all of whom had equal motive and opportunity. They all smoked which was no help. However one of the suspects smoked nice fat cuban cigars while the rest all smoked cigarettes.

The detective then had a moment of inspiration, the match had burned down more than halfway and he knew that while it takes only a second to light a cigarette it takes a fair bit of puffing to get a good cigar going. A match used to light a cigar has to burn a lot longer than one used to light a cigarette. There was only one conclusion, the killer was a cigar smoker.

This enabled the detective to focus all of his energies in getting the evidence against the cigar smoker which led to his eventual confession.

Thanks to all who played, hope you enjoyed it.
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Nice puzzle.

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