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Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 6:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A certain commercial product was marketed to eliminate all traces of another type of product. However, because it was supposed to remove even more than that, it actually became what it was supposed to remove.

Based on an apparently true story
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Are computers relevant?
Biograd (Biograd)
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Are computers relevant?No, Although I think I see where you were going there. Some antivirus programs have really become like viruses lately. Irrelevant to this puzzle though.
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Was the first product mentioned a cleaning product? Stain remover? Sticky stuff remover?
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Are fingerprints relevant? Evidence in a broad sense?
Biograd (Biograd)
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Was the first product mentioned a cleaning product?Yes Stain remover?No Sticky stuff remover?No, at least not in the sense of some kind of adhesive
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Did this happen recently? Past 5 years? 10? 15? 20? 25? More?
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Was the first product intended to clean...

wood floors? carpet? clothing? furniture? sinks? bathtubs?

is the product a liquid? does it come in a spray bottle?

does it come in an aerosol can?
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Is paint or varnish removal relevant?
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Add to that Nail polish remover . Having a wife and three daughters my house constantly smells of that stuff.
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Clean: a person? Part of a person? Was it supposed to remove an allergen? But was so strong that people had an allergic reaction to it?
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Smells relevant? Was it heavily perfumed to cover up other smells?
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Did this happen recently? Past 5 years? 10? 15? 20? 25? More?I honestly don't know, but certainly in "modern" times. The person who mentioned it saw it firsthand, and he's obviously alive now.

Was the first product intended to clean...

wood floors? carpet? clothing? furniture? sinks? bathtubs?No to all

is the product a liquid?Probably. I imagine it could have been solid as well. does it come in a spray bottle?I don't know what it comes (or came) in, but probably in a container other than the ones you have mentioned.

Is paint or varnish removal relevant? Add to that Nail polish remover . Having a wife and three daughters my house constantly smells of that stuff.No to both

Clean: a person? Part of a person? Was it supposed to remove an allergen? But was so strong that people had an allergic reaction to it?No to all.

Smells relevant?No Was it heavily perfumed to cover up other smells?So no
Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Monday, March 24, 2014 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I looked around a bit online to see if I can find a product like the one in this puzzle. I found something similar for sale today, and is a liquid that comes in spray bottles. Of course, all of the "No" answers are still no.
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You missed my question at 8:05 on March 20. I don't think the subsequent questions-and-answers have covered it.
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Sorry...
Are fingerprints relevant? Evidence in a broad sense?but unfortunately, both are still No
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Clean: a surface? A garment? An animal? A specific material? Did it clean away something it should not? Dissolve something it should not? In other ways react with something it should not?
Is a third product required to remove the second product?
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Clean: a surface?Yes, the surface of something, but don't let that mislead you! A garment?No An animal?No A specific material?Yope Did it clean away something it should not?No, at least not relevantly to this puzzle Dissolve something it should not? In other ways react with something it should not?
Is a third product required to remove the second product?No to rest
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Surface of: object? Vehicle? Building? Ground?
Is it graffiti remover? But it also cleans off grime and patina, making the cleaned areas stand out just like the graffiti did? If not, is making the cleaned area cleaner than the surrounding area relevant?
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Surface of: object?You could call them "objects", but... Vehicle? Building? Ground?No to rest
Is it graffiti remover?No But it also cleans off grime and patina, making the cleaned areas stand out just like the graffiti did?So no If not, is making the cleaned area cleaner than the surrounding area relevant?and no
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"Object": smaller than a grain of sand? Marble? Golf ball? Tennis ball? Bowling ball? Microwave oven? Washing machine? Fridge? Car? House?
Are they usually cleaned one at a time? A few at a time? A whole lot at a time? Are they part of an animal? Or human? Such as fur? Or nails? Or teeth? Is it toothpaste that's too abrasive, so it's bad for the teeth?
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Note that this product was intended to clean a whole category of "things", so these next questions were tricky.
"Object": smaller than a grain of sand?No Marble?No Golf ball?Usually not Tennis ball?Most are between this Bowling ball?and this Microwave oven? Washing machine? Fridge? Car? House?
Are they usually cleaned one at a time? A few at a time? A whole lot at a time?May be any of these, depending on how it's done. Are they part of an animal?No Or human?No, so no to rest. Such as fur? Or nails? Or teeth? Is it toothpaste that's too abrasive, so it's bad for the teeth?
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Material(s) of the things: fabric? Plastic? Metal? Glass? Wood? Ceramics? Rubber? Leather? Down/feathers? Plant fiber? Hair/wool/silk? Paint? Stone? Mineral? Liquid? Gas? Bone? Ice? Food?
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Material(s) of the things: fabric? Plastic? Metal? Glass? Wood? Ceramics? Rubber? Leather? Down/feathers? Plant fiber?Not exactly fiber, but plant material Hair/wool/silk? Paint? Stone? Mineral? Liquid? Gas? Bone? Ice? Food?Yes!
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2014 - 1:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the product used to remove dirt from food? Or mold? Or organisms?
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Is the product used to remove dirt from food? Or mold? Or organisms?This is the only one of those relevant to this puzzle--it's the "even more than that" in the puzzle statement. Presumably the product was also assumed to remove dirt, as it was a soap, but dirt isn't the thing it was supposed to remove "all traces of", which hasn't been guessed yet.
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2014 - 11:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it meant for a specific type of food? Fruit? Vegetables? Was it meant to remove pesticides? Soil? Germs?
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Was it supposed to remove: pesticides? Pathogens? Allergens? Toxic substances? An odor? A color? A discolorant? A taste?
Did they wash veggies in soap to get rid of pesticides, but the soap remnants were just as bad?
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Bacteria? But it removes good bacteria too?
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Was it meant for a specific type of food? Fruit?This Vegetables?and this Was it meant to remove pesticides?This Soil? Germs?and this

Did they wash veggies in soap to get rid of pesticides, but the soap remnants were just as bad?The main purpose of the soap WAS to get rid of pesticides, but the soap didn't leave anything harmful behind. Your other questions are redundant given Enjay's.

Bacteria?Bacteria were the "even more" that it was supposed to remove. And this is critical... But it removes good bacteria too?but while it probably DID do this too (I don't know of any substance that can distinguish between "good" and "bad" bacteria, especially because "good" vs. "bad" depends on the context), this is irrelevant to the puzzle.
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So the soap removes pesticides, but it also kills pests, so it's a pesticide too?
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So the soap removes pesticides, but it also kills pests, so it's a pesticide too?YES! By law, apparently the definition of a "pesticide" is anything that is marketed for the purpose of killing living organisms, including bacteria. So because the vendor of this pesticide removal soap claimed that it killed bacteria, it had to be registered as a pesticide with the relevant authority.

This actually happened, according to a comment someone made on a website. I was inspired to make a lateral puzzle out of it after reading the other puzzle about the sex dolls that "became" inflatable pool toys.


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