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[Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:48 am

Rick puts up a piece of artwork in a public place. He does not expect his work to stay where it is for long, but it remains for years. Why?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:52 am

Rick = H?A?M?

Would calling this thing an 'artwork' be controversial? Is Rick a talented artist? Talented for his age? Is the piece of art for sale? Has it been commissioned? Is it somewhat impromptu, such as graffiti/tagging/street art?

Is the public place accessible to a broad, indiscriminate cross-section of the general public (as opposed to the kitchen fridge of a busy house)? Is it a museum? Gallery? School? Public space?

Does Rick expect someone will try to remove the artwork? Does he have some foreknowledge of how long the artwork is likely to stay there?

Has someone changed their mind regarding whether or not the artwork should stay in the public place? Has is somehow become inaccessible?

Does the artwork suddenly become [more] valuable?

Just to confirm - is he the artist, or should 'his work' be interpreted as 'the work he owns'?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:07 am

Rick = H?A?M? Yes

Would calling this thing an 'artwork' be controversial? No Is Rick a talented artist? Yes Talented for his age? Yes, but he's not a prodigy or anything of that sort Is the piece of art for sale? No Has it been commissioned? No Is it somewhat impromptu, such as graffiti/tagging/street art? No, but this is surprisingly OTRT

Is the public place accessible to a broad, indiscriminate cross-section of the general public (as opposed to the kitchen fridge of a busy house)? Yes Is it a museum? Gallery? School? No to these Public space? Yes

Does Rick expect someone will try to remove the artwork? Yes Does he have some foreknowledge of how long the artwork is likely to stay there? No

Has someone changed their mind regarding whether or not the artwork should stay in the public place? Yope/No Has is somehow become inaccessible? No

Does the artwork suddenly become [more] valuable? No

Just to confirm - is he the artist, or should 'his work' be interpreted as 'the work he owns'? Rick is the artist
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Earnest » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:46 am

Was it considered an artwork before being put in the public place? If so a known one? Does it represent a commonly used object? If so, an object especially used in that public place? Is this the reason why Rick did not expect it to be there? Did he declare publicly that he would have put an artwork there? Is it something organic? Is the artwork bigger than a basket ball? Is the artwork a paint?

WAG --> is the artwork a simple clean wall? I mean...my WAG is that there were very ugly and anti-aesthetic graffiti on some walls and his artwork consisted in cleaning them. But actually he did not expect the artwork to stay there for a long time (= he expected that someone would have done graffiti soon again)

Public space = park? Library? A building? An open space?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:00 pm

PM sent.
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby trebor » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:27 pm

Does he expect it will be taken down by a member of the public? By a business owner? By a governing body? By the subject of the work, if the subject is a sentient being? Does he expect to take it down himself?

Is the subject of the work relevant? If yes, is it a person? More than one? Does the artwork commemorate something? Is it tongue-in-cheek? Does it make a political or social statement? Is it

Is he pleased that the work stays there?

Wait. PMing WAG.
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:02 pm

Was it considered an artwork before being put in the public place? Yope If so a known one? No Does it represent a commonly used object? Yes If so, an object especially used in that public place? Yes Is this the reason why Rick did not expect it to be there? No Did he declare publicly that he would have put an artwork there? No Is it something organic? No Is the artwork bigger than a basket ball? Yes Is the artwork a paint? Paint & metal

WAG --> is the artwork a simple clean wall? No I mean...my WAG is that there were very ugly and anti-aesthetic graffiti on some walls and his artwork consisted in cleaning them. But actually he did not expect the artwork to stay there for a long time (= he expected that someone would have done graffiti soon again) Interesting idea, but No

Public space = park? Library? A building? No to these An open space? Yes

Does he expect it will be taken down by a member of the public? By a business owner? By a governing body? This By the subject of the work, if the subject is a sentient being? Does he expect to take it down himself? No

Is the subject of the work relevant? Yes If yes, is it a person? No More than one? No Does the artwork commemorate something? Is it tongue-in-cheek? Does it make a political or social statement? No to all

Is he pleased that the work stays there? Yes

Wait. PMing WAG.
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Both guesses are incorrect, and are also identical - it is not this also-hilarious story.
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:06 pm

Does he expect the artwork to be: stolen? Sold? Removed? Destroyed? Covered? Washed away? Mistaken for garbage? Mistaken for something else? Vandalized? Does he expect it to be removed by nature? Humans? Animals? Is it a painting? Drawing? Carving? Etching? Sculpture?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:09 pm

Does he expect the artwork to be: stolen? Sold? Removed? This Destroyed? Covered? Washed away? Mistaken for garbage? Mistaken for something else? But also this Vandalized?
Does he expect it to be removed by nature? Humans? This Animals?
Is it a painting? This Drawing? Carving? Etching? Sculpture?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:22 pm

Is it on a wall? Ceiling? Roof? Pavement? The ground? Relevant what type of paint is used? Is paint used? Size of the artwork relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:48 pm

Is it on a wall? Yope/No Ceiling? No Roof? No Pavement? Close! The ground? No Relevant what type of paint is used? No Is paint used? Yes, paint and metal Size of the artwork relevant? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:27 am

Is it on a rock? Flagstone? Structure? Bridge? Is it bigger than a breadbox (in two dimensions)? Is the metal used for color? For affixing the artwork to a surface?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:41 pm

Did the artist paint something onto a flat surface? A vertical surface? Horizontal surface?
Did he create a painting that duplicates something else? Something that had previously been removed from that same area?
A road sign? A sign for a business? Some other kind of sign?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby trebor » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:04 pm

Is it one a sidewalk? Bridge? Bench? Is it painted directly onto the thing? Is it in a frame? Is the type of canvas relevant, if it has one?

Do the people who he expects will remove it not recognize it as a painting?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:11 pm

Is an optical illusion involved? When he thinks people will mistake it for something else, will they think it is something other than a work of art? Will they mistake it for a functional object? Is his artwork of the photorealism variety?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby gregoryuconn » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:17 am

Is it a bench? A chair? Something else one would ordinarily find in that setting? Was it mistaken for such? Did he expect it to be?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:34 pm

Is it on a rock? Flagstone? Structure? Bridge? On the side of some subcategory of "bridge" Is it bigger than a breadbox (in two dimensions)? Yes Is the metal used for color? No For affixing the artwork to a surface? Yes, and for a more important reason

Did the artist paint something onto a flat surface? Yes A vertical surface? He attached his painting to a flat vertical surface, so Yes Horizontal surface?
Did he create a painting that duplicates something else? Yes, for slight svv of "duplicates" Something that had previously been removed from that same area? No
A road sign? Yes! A sign for a business? Some other kind of sign?

Is it one a sidewalk? Bridge? See above, No to the others Bench? Is it painted directly onto the thing? No, see above Is it in a frame? No Is the type of canvas relevant, if it has one? The "canvas" is the metal

Do the people who he expects will remove it not recognize it as a painting? Yesish

Is an optical illusion involved? No When he thinks people will mistake it for something else, will they think it is something other than a work of art? Yes Will they mistake it for a functional object? Yes Is his artwork of the photorealism variety? I'll call this a Yope

Is it a bench? A chair? No to these Something else one would ordinarily find in that setting? Yes Was it mistaken for such? Yes! Did he expect it to be? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby gregoryuconn » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:54 am

Is it a vehicle bridge? A pedestrian bridge? A railroad bridge? A mixed use bridge (e.g. pedestrian + vehicle, railroad + vehicle, etc.)? Relevant what kind of road sign? Is it a traffic enforcement sign line one way or a stop sign? Is it an exit sign? A sign showing the name of the street? A milepost? A shield showing the route number? Something showing the name of the bridge (seeing as this happened on a bridge)? Something showing the distance to other place(s) further along the route? Is the bridge's name relevant? Did it change names at some point?
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:50 pm

Is it a vehicle bridge? Yes, with the same "subcategory of 'bridge'" modifier. I should probably have said "for svv of "bridge" A pedestrian bridge? A railroad bridge? A mixed use bridge (e.g. pedestrian + vehicle, railroad + vehicle, etc.)?
Relevant what kind of road sign? Yes Is it a traffic enforcement sign line one way or a stop sign? Is it an exit sign? Yope A sign showing the name of the street? A milepost? A shield showing the route number? Yes (Something showing the name of the bridge (seeing as this happened on a bridge)? No - FA (that's my fault though) Something showing the distance to other place(s) further along the route? Is the bridge's name relevant? Did it change names at some point? No to rest of these
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Re: [Balin] Speaking their language

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:49 pm

Is the artwork affixed with magnets? Is there a problem that is fixed by the sign? Is traffic changed by it? Getting lost relevant? Is the sign helpful?
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