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[WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:55 pm

An employee confronts his Boss over a grievance. He has carefully chosen the suit he was wearing to do so. It is a suit he has never worn before. The suit appears innocuous and perfectly ordinary to most people and has not been altered in any way. Why has he chosen it?

BOATS. Caveat Earlispoilor.
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:54 pm

Is the color of the suit relevant? The material? The size?
Does the suit cover his entire person? (at least, the parts suits normally cover)
Did he own this suit before wearing it? Does he own the suit now?
Is he wearing the suit the right way around? (not backwards)
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:26 pm

Is the color of the suit relevant? The material? The size? no to all
Does the suit cover his entire person? (at least, the parts suits normally cover) yes. No naughty bits peeking out.
Did he own this suit before wearing it? yes Does he own the suit now? yes
Is he wearing the suit the right way around? (not backwards) yes

I once went to a fancy dress ball for which the theme was 'Formal but not quite normal'. A lot of the men elected to wear their dinner suits backwards.
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby Enjay » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:45 pm

Did the employee buy the suit with the intent of wearing it to confront the boss?

Is the employee's job relevant?

Would it be considered strange for the employee to be wearing a suit? Would the boss understand why he was wearing it?

Does the employee think wearing the suit will make the boss more likely to listen to his grievance? Will make his point?

Does "suit" here mean a smart matching jacket and trousers? Or wild guess - a skirt? Is gender-specific clothing relevant?
Or is this a different kind of suit? A swimsuit? Fancy dress costume?

Did the employee's grievance relate to pay? Working conditions? The boss him/herself? Another employee?

Is the boss the employee's direct manager in his workplace?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:06 pm

Hi, Enjay! :) Nice to see you again.

Did the employee buy the suit with the intent of wearing it to confront the boss? Initially, no

Is the employee's job relevant? no

Would it be considered strange for the employee to be wearing a suit? no Would the boss understand why he was wearing it? Please rephrase

Does the employee think wearing the suit will make the boss more likely to listen to his grievance? yes Will make his point? More relevantly this

Does "suit" here mean a smart matching jacket and trousers? yesOr wild guess - a skirt? no Is gender-specific clothing relevant? No; this puzzle could theoretically work with a pantsuit or a jacket/skirt ensemble, for example
Or is this a different kind of suit? no A swimsuit? Fancy dress costume? no to both

Did the employee's grievance relate to pay? yesWorking conditions? less so The boss him/herself? yes Another employee? no

Is the boss the employee's direct manager in his workplace? assume yes, although this isn't necessary
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby trebor » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:35 am

What does BOAT stand for in the opening post? That's an acronym I'm unfamiliar with.

Does the suit reference a prior conversation between the two of them? Is the gender of either of them relevant? Do they, or have they ever had, a relevant relationship outside of the workplace? Is the suit an outdated one? Is he trying to make the point that he could afford a better suit with a pay increase? (That would be gutsy, I'd think.) Are interactions with clients relevant? Even though it hasn't been altered per se, has anything relevant happened to the suit? Since you said it appears ordinary to "most people", is there anyone to whom the suit would not appear ordinary? To the boss? To anyone else, as well? Is it relevant that boss is capitalized in the puzzle statement? (Is the boss a video game character that he's confronting?)
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:57 am

so sorry for repeating questions...: grievance = increase his wage? increase the wage of someone else? and the suit would help him to make his point about the increase of wage right? and he had worn the suit for all the time before during and after the conversation with the Boss right?

Had the employee worn other suits to go to work before? Or is it the first time that he worn not just that suit but a suit to go to work?

Holes in the pockets relevant? was it a "second hand suit"? Did it have patches? was it an expensive suit? Did he confront over his Boss outside the working place? Inside? In a working day? a public holiday?

did he want to propose an exchange like "my suit against your (the Boss' one) suit"? or would you (Boss) wear this suit to do something?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby peter365 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:03 am

Does the employee wear a suit to work every day? Has he ever worn this particular suit to work? Does the workplace have a casual friday? Will the boss be wearing a suit also?

Does the man own a number of suits? Is there something that sets this one apart from the others? Does he wear a tie? relevant? If so colour ? pattern? type of knot?

Does the suit imply what his course of action might be if his grievance is not resolved? Is he a key person in the company? By wearing the suit does he hint he has other offers?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby Balin » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:29 pm

Is it relevant that you capitalized "Boss" in the puzzle statement? Is "Boss" used to mean "workplace superior"?

trebor - BOATS = Based On A True Story
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:45 pm

Trebor

What does BOAT stand for in the opening post? That's an acronym I'm unfamiliar with. Based On A True Story, as Balin has pointed out. One of our more elegant acronyms.

Does the suit reference a prior conversation between the two of them? no Is the gender of either of them relevant? each individual's gender is irrelevant, but gender is not irrelevant Do they, or have they ever had, a relevant relationship outside of the workplace? no Is the suit an outdated one? in terms of fashion/style? irrelevant, but explore Is he trying to make the point that he could afford a better suit with a pay increase? yes! (That would be gutsy, I'd think. Perhaps less so once all the circumstances are clear) Are interactions with clients relevant? no Even though it hasn't been altered per se, has anything relevant happened to the suit? yes Since you said it appears ordinary to "most people", is there anyone to whom the suit would not appear ordinary? no To the boss? To anyone else, as well? n/a to bothIs it relevant that boss is capitalized in the puzzle statement? no (I think I might have had Hugo Boss on the brain at the time) (Is the boss a video game character that he's confronting?) He may well view him as such :P, but in this case the boss is literally a workplace manager

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grievance = increase his wage? yes increase the wage of someone else? no and the suit would help him to make his point about the increase of wage right? yes and he had worn the suit for all the time before during and after the conversation with the Boss right? yes to during. As for the rest, assume he wore it for the entirety of the working day

Had the employee worn other suits to go to work before? yes Or is it the first time that he worn not just that suit but a suit to go to work? no

Holes in the pockets relevant? no was it a "second hand suit"? yes! Did it have patches? no was it an expensive suit? not at the time he bought it Did he confront over his Boss outside the working place? no Inside? In a working day? yes to both a public holiday? no

did he want to propose an exchange like "my suit against your (the Boss' one) suit"? or would you (Boss) wear this suit to do something? Interesting ideas, and the first is ORT in a strange way. But no to both.

Peter

Does the employee wear a suit to work every day? yes Has he ever worn this particular suit to work? no Does the workplace have a casual friday? irrelevant Will the boss be wearing a suit also? yes, and this is relevant

Does the man own a number of suits? unlikely Is there something that sets this one apart from the others? yes (but not in any obvious way) Does he wear a tie? irrelevant relevant? If so colour ? pattern? type of knot? n/a to all

Does the suit imply what his course of action might be if his grievance is not resolved? no Is he a key person in the company? probably not By wearing the suit does he hint he has other offers? no

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Is it relevant that you capitalized "Boss" in the puzzle statement? no, as outlined above Is "Boss" used to mean "workplace superior"? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:40 am

Is the phrase "second hand" somehow relevant? Does he just want to make himself appear poorer?
Is the boss wearing a fancier suit? New?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:22 am

Is the phrase "second hand" somehow relevant? not on my watch Does he just want to make himself appear poorer? no; there is no facade
Is the boss wearing a fancier suit? irrelevant to yope New? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:09 am

Relevant when he bought this suit? A long time ago? Is it no longer fitting? Did he buy it after his last pay rise?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:19 am

not at the time he bought it--> mmm interesting....so at the time he bought it was not expensive...but was it at the time of the conversation?

Not really an expert...but if it was expensive at the time of the conversation...was it because the prices rose? I don't think because it was considered a piece of antique or because of its material right?

Was his point that there was inflation and his wage was unchanged? That he was forced to sell his suit?

Point = Looks can be deceiving?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby peter365 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:42 am

Did he buy it in a charity shop? Does something on the suit clearly mark it as second hand? Is it out of fashion? Flares relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:35 pm

LemonCurry

Relevant when he bought this suit? yesish A long time ago? no Is it no longer fitting? no Did he buy it after his last pay rise? irrelevant

Earnest

not at the time he bought it--> mmm interesting....so at the time he bought it was not expensive...but was it at the time of the conversation? incorrect

Not really an expert...but if it was expensive at the time of the conversation FA ...was it because the prices rose? no I don't think because it was considered a piece of antique or because of its material right? no to both

Was his point that there was inflation and his wage was unchanged? no That he was forced to sell his suit? no

Point = Looks can be deceiving? irrelevant

Peter

Did he buy it in a charity shop? yes! Does something on the suit clearly mark it as second hand? yes, explore Is it out of fashion? no Flares relevant? Flares were never relevant :P
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby peter365 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:32 am

Is the suit a uniform of some sort?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby trebor » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:51 pm

Did the suit formerly belong to the boss?

Gender is not irrelevant to the puzzle. Is one gender in particular relevant? If so, female? Male? Other? Is being transgender relevant? Is the LGBTQ community relevant? Is the nature of the work done at this workplace relevant (other than that presumably it entails wearing a suit)?
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Re: [WiZ] Perfectly suitable

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:41 pm

Trebor

Did the suit formerly belong to the boss? Yes!

***** SPOILER *****

The employee bought the suit from a charity shop. (s)he noticed that the jacket still had a drycleaning tag attached to the collar, made out in the name of their boss. They were then able to prove to their boss that they were paid so little, they were reduced to buying second-hand clothing: 'Recognise THIS?'


Congratulations, Trebor, on the solution, and thank you everyone else for playing.
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