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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:21 pm

A man buys a train ticket. Soon afterward, he is arrested. Why?
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Postby Zanreo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:23 pm

Did he actually commit a crime? Did he know he was doing so?

Relevant where he got the ticket? How he paid?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:48 pm

Did he actually commit a crime? Did he know he was doing so?

Relevant where he got the ticket? How he paid?

Yes to all.
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Postby Westing1992 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:31 pm

Was his crime identity theft? Some other sort of theft/robbery? Is the crime actually relevant?
Was he wanted for a crime before he bought the ticket? Was the crime in actually buying the ticket? Did his purchase simply alert the authorities?
Is it relevant where he was planning to go? To another country? Did he buy the ticket for himself?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:16 pm

Was his crime identity theft? No. Some other sort of theft/robbery? No. Is the crime actually relevant? Yes.
Was he wanted for a crime before he bought the ticket? Noish, explore. Was the crime in actually buying the ticket? No. Did his purchase simply alert the authorities? Yes.
Is it relevant where he was planning to go? No. To another country? But not this. Did he buy the ticket for himself? Yes.
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Postby Westing1992 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:49 pm

So, did he buy with a credit card? If not, debit? A check? Cash?
Was his crime violent? Was he fleeing town? Skipping bail/court appearance?
Did his purchase link him to his crime? Did it alert the authorities that a crime had taken place?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:06 pm

So, did he buy with a credit card? If not, debit? A check? Cash? Assume this.
Was his crime violent? Irr, but unlikely. Was he fleeing town? Skipping bail/court appearance? No to both.
Did his purchase link him to his crime? Yesish, see next answer. Did it alert the authorities that a crime had taken place? ... it was suspicious.
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Postby Westing1992 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:34 am

So, did he pay in counterfeit bills? Did he know they were counterfeit?
Was it suspicious that he paid in cash in the first place?
WAG: He was pretending to be blind, but he was able to tell the different between denominations of bills.
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:17 am

So, did he pay in counterfeit bills? Did he know they were counterfeit? No to both.
Was it suspicious that he paid in cash in the first place? No.
WAG: He was pretending to be blind, but he was able to tell the different between denominations of bills. No.
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Postby Balin » Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:55 pm

Did he commit the crime by purchasing the ticket?
Is the destination of the ticket relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:25 am

Did he commit the crime by purchasing the ticket? No.
Is the destination of the ticket relevant? No, save that it is within the country.
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Postby rcb » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:05 am

Had he not bought the ticket, would he have been arrested nevertheless?

Did he commit the crime in the train station? Did he commit it against an employee of the company who runs the trains (or against the company itself)?

Would it have been possible for him to buy a ticket for another country? If yes, would that have made him looking suspicious also? If not: because there's no rail link between that location and another country? (Relevant?)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:12 am

Had he not bought the ticket, would he have been arrested nevertheless? Probably.

Did he commit the crime in the train station? Did he commit it against an employee of the company who runs the trains (or against the company itself)? No to all.

Would it have been possible for him to buy a ticket for another country? Unless he was in a very specific part of the country, and I don't think he was, no. If yes, would that have made him looking suspicious also? If not: because there's no rail link between that location and another country? Correct. (Relevant?) Yes.
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Postby rcb » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:54 am

Did this happen in a time of war? In a location where travel restrictions were in place? Is location relevant at all?
Did he buy a ticket for the same route before? For a different route, but in the same train station?
Did he choose a specific ticket counter to buy tickets from?
Are any other persons relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:52 pm

Did this happen in a time of war? Yes. In a location where travel restrictions were in place? Irr. Is location relevant at all? Yes.
Did he buy a ticket for the same route before? For a different route, but in the same train station? No to both.
Did he choose a specific ticket counter to buy tickets from? No.
Are any other persons relevant? Yes.
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Postby rcb » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:08 pm

Was he in the military? Was he in enemy territory?
Other persons relevant: more then 2? 5? 10? Were they in the military? If so, on the same side with our hero (could we call him Tom?)?
The ones arresting him: were they from the enemy?
Wars: 20th century? 19th? previous?

Was he an infiltrated agent? An escaped prisoner?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:30 pm

Was he in the military? No. Was he in enemy territory? Yes.
Other persons relevant: more then 2? No. 5? 10? Were they in the military? No. If so, on the same side with our hero (could we call him Tom? Sure.)?
The ones arresting him: were they from the enemy? Yes.
Wars: 20th century? This. 19th? previous?

Was he an infiltrated agent? This. An escaped prisoner? Could also work.
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Postby rcb » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:54 am

WWI? WWII? Other? Nationalities of those involved relevant? In particular, were the nationalities of Tom and the enemy different? Did Tom speak the language of the country he was in?
One more relevant person? Two? H? A? M? (For each of them please, if two). The other relevant person(s): on the same side with Tom? Or belonging to the enemy?
Was Tom trying to escape pursuit? Was his crime espionage? Treason?
Did Tom look suspicious by simply buying the train ticket, or by the way in which he did it? (such as: looking confused about where he was heading to? asking for tickets to a destination clearly not reachable from where he was? or very close, such as a neighborhood two blocks away? mispronouncing the name of the destination? using a different name for the destination than the local people were accustomed to - such as buying tickets in Italy for Florence, when everyone would expect a local to call it Firenze?)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:05 pm

WWI? WWII? Either would do. Other? No. Nationalities of those involved relevant? Yes. In particular, were the nationalities of Tom and the enemy different? Yes. Did Tom speak the language of the country he was in? Yes.
One more relevant person? This. Two? H? Yes. A? Yes. M? Irr, assume male. (For each of them please, if two). The other relevant person(s): on the same side with Tom? No. Or belonging to the enemy? Yes.
Was Tom trying to escape pursuit? No. Was his crime espionage? This. Treason?
Did Tom look suspicious by simply buying the train ticket, or by the way in which he did it? The latter. (such as: looking confused about where he was heading to? asking for tickets to a destination clearly not reachable from where he was? or very close, such as a neighborhood two blocks away? mispronouncing the name of the destination? using a different name for the destination than the local people were accustomed to - such as buying tickets in Italy for Florence, when everyone would expect a local to call it Firenze?) None of these, though you have the right idea!
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Postby rcb » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:16 pm

The other person - the one selling the ticket?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:50 pm

The other person - the one selling the ticket? Correct.
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Postby rcb » Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:42 am

What was suspicious in Tom: his clothing? his general appearance? (looking as being hurt? with a bandage? with something covering his face? his hands?) something that he said? the way it was said? (whispering, perhaps?) some gesture that he made? something that he used? (such as a fake ID? or money not then in use at the place, for some reason?)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:05 am

What was suspicious in Tom: his clothing? his general appearance? (looking as being hurt? with a bandage? with something covering his face? his hands?) something that he said? the way it was said? (whispering, perhaps?) some gesture that he made? something that he used? Yes. (such as a fake ID? or money not then in use at the place, for some reason? But nothing illegal or fake.) No to all else.
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Postby rcb » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:37 pm

Relevant what type of wallet he used?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:54 pm

Relevant what type of wallet he used? No.
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Postby rcb » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:08 pm

The object that he used and gave him away: only one? More? Was it a pencil? Spectacles? Was it something that one normally uses when buying train tickets, or was it revealed by mistake?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:15 pm

The object that he used and gave him away: only one? More? Multiple items, all part of a category. Was it a pencil? Spectacles? No to both, FA. Was it something that one normally uses when buying train tickets, Yes. or was it revealed by mistake? A mistake was made.
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:20 pm

Did he use the currency of his own country?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:15 am

Did he use the currency of his own country? No.
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Postby rcb » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:23 am

The multiple items: banknotes? coins? some other things used to buy stuff with and thus having purchasing power, even though they are not "money" in the common sense? (like special tickets issued by the authorities)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:37 pm

The multiple items: banknotes? This. coins? Possibly this too. some other things used to buy stuff with and thus having purchasing power, even though they are not "money" in the common sense? (like special tickets issued by the authorities) No.
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Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:55 pm

Was it actually the correct currency? The currency that someone from that country would use?
If it was indeed the correct currency, had Tom done something to the notes and coins? Had something been done to them? Were they a different colour? Had they been defaced? Were they particularly old? Or new?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:58 pm

Was it actually the correct currency? The currency that someone from that country would use? Yes to both.
If it was indeed the correct currency, had Tom done something to the notes and coins? Had something been done to them? Were they a different colour? Had they been defaced? Were they particularly old? Or new? No to all.
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Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:40 am

Did he mistake one denomination for another? Did he take excessive care to check what value each coin had? And so revealed his unfamiliarity with the currency?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:37 pm

Did he mistake one denomination for another? Yope. Explore. Did he take excessive care to check what value each coin had? No. And so revealed his unfamiliarity with the currency? He did know which was which.
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Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:10 pm

Did locals have a certain way of referring to different values? Eg. American nickel, dime, quarter etc vs British "tenner"? And his slang for one of the notes/coins gave away his nationality?
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Postby rcb » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:29 pm

Were the notes/coins been recently revalued (such as one current unit being equal to 100 previous units, for example)? If yes, were both types of currency still used in everyday matters?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:47 pm

Did locals have a certain way of referring to different values? Yope. Eg. American nickel, dime, quarter etc vs British "tenner"? Not like this. And his slang for one of the notes/coins gave away his nationality? No. Explore, you're OTRT.

Were the notes/coins been recently revalued (such as one current unit being equal to 100 previous units, for example)? No. If yes, were both types of currency still used in everyday matters?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:27 am

Was a certain denomination a note in his country, but a coin in the country he was in? (or vice versa?) Eg. perhaps he refers to "a dollar note", but in that country, a dollar is always a coin? (or vice versa?)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:56 pm

Was a certain denomination a note in his country, but a coin in the country he was in? (or vice versa?) Eg. perhaps he refers to "a dollar note", but in that country, a dollar is always a coin? (or vice versa?) No to all.
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Postby rcb » Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:57 pm

Did he pay the exact amount for the ticket? Did he pay more (showing maybe desperation)? Did he wait for change?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:44 pm

Did he pay the exact amount for the ticket? No. Did he pay more Yes. (showing maybe desperation)? But no. Did he wait for change? Irr.
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:51 pm

Did he realise that he had paid more? Did he mistake how much the ticket seller was asking for the ticket? Did he misinterpret the ticket seller?
Had he deliberately paid more? Because he thought he needed to tip? But it was not the custom in that country?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:42 am

Did he realise that he had paid more? No. Did he mistake how much the ticket seller was asking for the ticket? Yes. Did he misinterpret the ticket seller? He understood the language that was spoken.
Had he deliberately paid more? Because he thought he needed to tip? But it was not the custom in that country? No to all.
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:55 am

Did the ticket seller say something in the local language, but it sounded like a word from Tom's native language? Eg. if "five" in ticket seller's language sounds like "ten" in Tom's language, and he unthinkingly hands over ten?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:00 am

Did the ticket seller say something in the local language, but it sounded like a word from Tom's native language? No. Eg. if "five" in ticket seller's language sounds like "ten" in Tom's language, and he unthinkingly hands over ten?
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Postby rcb » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:07 am

Did the seller tell him the price of the ticket? Or rather he saw it written somewhere? And he was mistaken as to what a particular notation referring to the domination meant? (e.g. he saw 2£ but was unsure what £ meant)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:21 pm

Did the seller tell him the price of the ticket? Yes. Or rather he saw it written somewhere? No. And he was mistaken as to what a particular notation referring to the domination meant? (e.g. he saw 2£ but was unsure what £ meant) No, but keep thinking in this vein.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:51 pm

Slang relevant? Dialect? Did he take something literally that wasn't meant to be?
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Postby rcb » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:55 pm

Did the ticket seller mention at any time the name of the currency? Or just the value? Expecting maybe that our hero, like any local, would presumably deduce the denomination? But instead Tom handed him a vastly larger amount? (e.g., the seller would just say "20", expecting that the other one would understand that he refers to 20 cents, for such a short route, but being presented with 20 dollars instead)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:10 pm

Slang relevant? Yesish. Dialect? No. Did he take something literally that wasn't meant to be? No.

Did the ticket seller mention at any time the name of the currency? No. Or just the value? Yes. Expecting maybe that our hero, like any local, would presumably deduce the denomination? Correct. But instead Tom handed him a vastly larger amount? (e.g., the seller would just say "20", expecting that the other one would understand that he refers to 20 cents, for such a short route, but being presented with 20 dollars instead) Correct!



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This reportedly occurred in Britain during the World Wars. A German spy purchased a ticket and the clerk asked him for "Seven and six." Colloquially, this meant seven shillings and sixpence. But the spy gave him seven pounds and six shillings, and the suspicious clerk called the police.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] No Ticket 2

Postby rcb » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:10 am

Great puzzle! I was totally lost until my wife suggested the correct solution... guess she was a spy or something. :)

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