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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:48 pm

By using a very creative and innovative plan to create a new job position, it became clear to the company that any applicant who fit the exact description of the desired position would be rejected. Part of the research involved an element of a classic lateral thinking puzzle.

Can you figure out what this real-life situation was?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:00 pm

Is there a double meaning in some part of the description of the position?
Did the position have anything to do with technology? Government?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:42 pm

Is this a completely genuine offer? Do they want/need someone to fulfil the requirements of that role? Would someone who fit most of the description be desirable? Someone who fit none of it? Does the company know or expect in advance precisely who they will choose? The type of person they would choose? Are they trying to retain an existing employee or seek a particular person, but advertising this role as a formality?

When you refer to 'the research', does this occur in the creation of the position, the advertising of the position, or both?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:19 am

Is there a double meaning in some part of the description of the position? No
Did the position have anything to do with technology? Government? Yes, both
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:42 am

Don't forget WiZ's questions up there

Does the job involve military technology? Military/civilian distinction relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:43 pm

Is this a completely genuine offer? Yes but with an "ish"
Do they want/need someone to fulfil the requirements of that role? Certainly
Would someone who fit most of the description be desirable? No
Someone who fit none of it? No
Does the company know or expect in advance precisely who they will choose?
No
The type of person they would choose? Yes they do know this
Are they trying to retain an existing employee No or seek a particular person, Yez
but advertising this role as a formality?
They aren't advertising - good q

When you refer to 'the research', does this occur in the creation of the position, the advertising of the position, or both?
Only to creation
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:45 pm

Does the job involve military technology?
No, at least not primarily
Military/civilian distinction relevant? Only in one aspect
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:22 pm

HINT: The classic puzzle that has a relative element in this puzzle is based on a premise that was proven to be false on "Mythbusters," and was used as a result of lateral thinking by the researchers.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:52 pm

Is the puzzle the one with the Scuba diver in the forest?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:04 am

Is the puzzle the one with the Scuba diver in the forest?
Yes it is
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:16 pm

Are body measures relevant? Height? Weight? Would fitting exactly mean the person is unhealthy?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:47 pm

Are body measures relevant? Height? Weight? The only relevant thing about it is that the position would be filled by an adult man of average weight and a specific range of height
Would fitting exactly mean the person is unhealthy? Yes, or at least unfit due to specific issues related to the body - explore
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:17 pm

Would the person have to fit into a specific suit or uniform? Is the position along the lines of a diver? An astronaut?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:18 pm

Would the person have to fit into a specific suit or uniform? Yes, this is part of the reason for the limits on body size
Is the position along the lines of a diver? Not a diver... An astronaut? ...yes, this.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:26 pm

Would the perosn be especially: short? Tall? Thin? Would they have issues with: nutrition? Joints? A specific organ? Age?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:33 pm

Would the person be especially: short? Tall? Thin? Candidates had to be between 5'6" and 6'2" (but this isn't relevant to the flawed research)
Would they have issues with: nutrition? Joints? A specific organ? Age? None of these factors are relevant
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:48 pm

Issues with: a specific part of the body? With mental health? Physical fitness? Muscles? Balance? Would he be unfit to be weightless? Endure acceleration? Work in space?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:01 pm

Issues with: a specific part of the body? Yes
With mental health? No
Physical fitness? To some degree Muscles? A certain kind, yes
Balance? No
Would he be unfit to be weightless? No Endure acceleration? Very possible Work in space? Yes, if an applicant exhibit the exact same behavior as what was observed in research he would be deemed unfit to work or spend time in space
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:20 pm

Part: toes? Feet? Ankles? Knees? Thighs? Hips? Pelvis? Back? Belly? Torso? Neck? Head? Face? Shoulders? Upper arms? Elbows? Wrists? Hands? Would his spine be too weak?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:22 pm

Part: toes? Feet? Ankles? Knees? Thighs? Hips? Pelvis? Back? Belly? Torso? Neck? Head? Face? Shoulders? Upper arms? Elbows? Wrists? Hands? It's not any of these. You're closest with "torso" and "belly"
Would his spine be too weak? It's not related to the spine
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:40 pm

Stomach? Chest?
Vomiting involved?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:58 pm

Lungs? Ribcage?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:39 pm

Stomach? Chest?
Vomiting involved?
Lungs? Ribcage?
None of these exactly. "Stomach" would be the closest to it from this list. May be helpful to find out how the research was flawed.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby rcb » Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:05 pm

Does it have to do with *ahem* eliminating residues from the human body?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:51 pm

Does it have to do with *ahem* eliminating residues from the human body?
Yes, you are *ahem* on the right track...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:56 pm

Is the waste in question: #1? #2?
Space toilets relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:07 pm

Is the waste in question: #1? #2? For sure it's #1 (but you could speculate...that's all I'm going to say for now)
Space toilets relevant? No
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:00 pm

Gender of applicants relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:53 pm

Gender of applicants relevant? No
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:36 pm

Relevant how frequent the applicants would need a restroom? Diet relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:41 pm

Relevant how frequent the applicants would need a restroom? Definitely! Diet relevant? No
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:50 am

Would applicants who fit the requirements exactly have urinary incontinence? Or would not need the toilet at all? Thereby suggesting that they are not in good health?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:51 pm

Would applicants who fit the requirements exactly have urinary incontinence? Yes
Or would not need the toilet at all? Thereby suggesting that they are not in good health? Any applicant who exhibited this problem would not be considered for the position, as it could indicate other health issues, so yes.


All basic parts are here I think, just need someone to make the connection to the scuba diver and how this relates to the flawed research
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:30 am

Relevant how the scuba diver in forest myth was disproved? How it came to be in the first place?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:06 am

Is it relevant that the story is impossible - ie, neither the helicopter-lifted bucket nor the water-scooper airplane is capable of sucking in a human?

(My dad helped design the CL-415 SuperScooper waterbomber, so he got the answer to that puzzle instantly, and then lectured me about its incorrectness. I can certainly imagine Canadair using it in an interview to test whether candidates have done their research!)
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:59 pm

Relevant how the scuba diver in forest myth was disproved? How it came to be in the first place? No to both


Is it relevant that the story is impossible - ie, neither the helicopter-lifted bucket nor the water-scooper airplane is capable of sucking in a human?
No

HINT: The only relevance is that a scuba suit was used as part of the research, and it should be noted that this was not an initial part of the research, it was included later
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:08 pm

Does the job involve scuba diving? If so, would physical limitations limit the applicant's ability to dive (safely)?

Would it be possible for the employers to change the wording of their want ad and still find a qualified employee?
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Postby Acridian9 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:05 am

Underwater training relevant?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:36 am

Is a scuba suit relevantly different from a spacesuit? When wearing a scuba suit underwater, would one be able to safely remove it for elimination purposes? Or would this be impossible? Relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:55 pm

Anything to do with astronauts and zero-G training for spacewalks in giant swimming pools?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:35 pm

Sorry for the delay, I've been travelling for several days...

Does the job involve scuba diving? No
If so, would physical limitations limit the applicant's ability to dive (safely)? N/A

Would it be possible for the employers to change the wording of their want ad FA, there wouldn't be any want ads placed for these positions, they would have chosen potential candidates based on certain criteria and still find a qualified employee? They had a good method for finding qualified people, but not based on a certain aspect of the research method

Underwater training relevant? No

Is a scuba suit relevantly different from a spacesuit? In this case there is a relevant difference that is exhibited during research, yes
When wearing a scuba suit underwater, would one be able to safely remove it for elimination purposes? Or would this be impossible? Relevant? Not relevant

Anything to do with astronauts and zero-G training YES for spacewalks in giant swimming pools? ...but this isn't related
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:23 pm

Is the "Vomit Comet" (parabolic flight to simulate 0g) relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:59 pm

Is the "Vomit Comet" (parabolic flight to simulate 0g) relevant? Not in this case. If I'm not mistaken that requires a human subject for testing, which would be quite different from the testing related to this puzzle...
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:20 pm

RECAP:

There was a certain phase of government research regarding space travel that was flawed in a certain way. Because of this flaw, they realized that while they were hoping to observe what their selected candidates would experience while training for and participating in space travel, they created a situation that would eliminate any candidate who exhibited a certain condition (which was incontinence, or failure to control one's bladder properly).

In order to correct the problem, researchers tried using a scuba diving suit somehow, but this still left them with the flaw.


Nearly all the pieces are here, just a small lateral leap will solve it...
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:58 pm

Is it relevant that anyone with incontinence would probably be eliminated as a candidate regardless of other factors, at least in early days?

Is breathing, or the concentration of oxygen and other gases, relevant? Change in air pressure?

Is it relevant where this occurred - for example, are the ESA, Russian and Chinese programs likely to have experienced this?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:37 pm

Is it relevant that anyone with incontinence would probably be eliminated as a candidate regardless of other factors, at least in early days?
Yes, and the test was not originally supposed to have anything to do with incontinence, but...

Is breathing, or the concentration of oxygen and other gases, relevant? Change in air pressure? The only relevant of these things is that they were all aspects that were taken into consideration when designing the research and testing process.

Is it relevant where this occurred - for example, are the ESA, Russian and Chinese programs likely to have experienced this? Might be helpful - this was an actual historical situation that happened in the United States during NASA's series of simulations of space travel conducted before humans had actually been sent into space
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:39 pm

I suppose it's possible that any other country's space program may have experienced this issue if they were conducting the same kind of research with regards to sending humans into space, but this is the only one that I am aware of (and it has become relevant within the last month, which is what inspired this puzzle).
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Postby Acridian9 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:05 pm

Diapers relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:31 pm

Diapers relevant? The function of diapers is relevant, yes
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Postby Acridian9 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:17 pm

Was the research how to collect urine while wearing a space suit?
Was it flawed because it actually woud not work at zero-g?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:17 pm

Was the research how to collect urine YES, or in this case a urine-like subtance while wearing a space suit? YES, and this was not supposed to be part of the research!
Was it flawed because it actually would not work at zero-g? No, there was a much more basic flaw in the research
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:56 pm

Was an urine analog used? Is a situation where a healthy person is unable to urinate relevant? Was actual urine involved?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:03 pm

Was an urine analog used? I'm not sure what you mean by this
Is a situation where a healthy person is unable to urinate relevant? No, in fact the research method demonstrated the complete opposite of this

Was actual urine involved? No but explore this!
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Postby Balin » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:20 pm

Was a substitute for urine used? Was another body fluid involved?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:44 pm

Was a substitute for urine used? OTRT but YES, a substance ended up acting as a substitute for it
Was another body fluid involved? Another fluid, yes, but not from a human body (hint)
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Re: [CoffeeBean] A Midget Pushes An Albatross Up To A Hotel.

Postby Balin » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:59 pm

From another type of body? From the rocket? Was the fluid supposed to be used in the study in some other way?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:32 pm

From another type of body? YES
From the rocket? No
Was the fluid supposed to be used in the study in some other way? It was needed for the study, yes, but only as a secondary component, it was never meant to play any major role in the research
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:52 pm

Did fluid leak? Heating relevant? Cooling? Was the fluid mainly water? If there was a leak, did it give any advantage? Would only "leaking" humans be qualified once the issue was fixed?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:49 pm

Did fluid leak? Yes!
Heating relevant? Cooling? Neither of these
Was the fluid mainly water? No, it wasn't water at all
If there was a leak, did it give any advantage? No, it was an unforseen problem that ended up causing NASA to abandon this type of research
Would only "leaking" humans be qualified once the issue was fixed? Well the research method was meant to show how humans would respond during space flight, but because of the unforseen problem it also demonstrated the numerous problems with fluids leaking from a human

Good questions, we are nearly done!
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Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:27 pm

Are animals relevant? chimps?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:34 pm

Are animals relevant? chimps? Neither of these, but keep going...
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Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:36 pm

Is oil relevant? milk? robots? machines?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:38 pm

Is oil relevant? Yes, along with...milk? robots?...these! machines? Well yes, since robots are machines
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Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:55 pm

Were they using robots as a substitute for humans in a simulated environment? were the robots built to look like humans? were they dressed in standard NASA clothing? and the robots leaked oil through the clothing, showing that other clothing was needed for actual astronauts in real life?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:15 pm

Were they using robots as a substitute for humans in a simulated environment? were the robots built to look like humans? were they dressed in standard NASA clothing? and the robots leaked oil through the clothing, showing that other clothing was needed for actual astronauts in real life?
Yes to nearly all of this, which is good enough!

*** SPOILER ***

Recently there was an announcement made that an experimental NASA robot was being auctioned. This was a machine built to study the effects of space travel on humans in preparation for space flights in the 1960's. There were 2 robots built (they were called "Power Driven Articulated Dummy" or PDADs), and they were advanced machines that closely duplicated human responses. The unseen problem was that the robots constantly leaked lubricating oil because of the stress put on the bodies. After trying many ways to stop the leaks, scientists tried covering the robot body in a scuba diving suit, but this did not stop the problem of the mess from oil leaking. Since they did not want to duplicate the scenario of sending an astronaut with a leaking bladder problem into space, the robots were no longer used. And even though these were advanced machines, the "faces" were somewhat terrifying and people who were potentially interested in the auction last month were cautioned of this. You can Google "PDAD auction" to see these robots (but it might give you nightmares).



Nice work by all and great final push by Grip!
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Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:20 pm

Yay! Nice puzzle!
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