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[Balin] Stand in the place where you work

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:58 am

Thousands upon thousands of people have had this occupation in history, but Carlos is the only one who...
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work

Postby CoffeeBean » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:24 am

Now face west...

REM at all relevant?
Is Carlos somehow unique?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:01 am

he was the only one who...

Liked this job? Died doing it? Did it right? Did it to a particular end? Did it his whole life? Did it in a particular way? Made money doing it? didn't make money doing it?

Was Carlos a certain way himself that made him the only one of some group of people to do this occupation?

Is this an "occupation" in the typical sense: a thing one does in order to make a living?
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:57 pm

Now face west... Think about the place where you live, wonder why you haven't before...

REM at all relevant? Other than its frequent references on this forum, No
Is Carlos somehow unique? In a way

he was the only one who...

Liked this job? Died doing it? Did it right? Did it to a particular end? Did it his whole life? Did it in a particular way? Made money doing it? didn't make money doing it? No to all

Was Carlos a certain way himself that made him the only one of some group of people to do this occupation? No

Is this an "occupation" in the typical sense: a thing one does in order to make a living? Yes
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:56 pm

Does the occupation involve manual labor? Extensive knowledge? Muscular development? Specific skill set?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:28 pm

Does the occupation involve manual labor? No Extensive knowledge? No Muscular development? Generally Specific skill set? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work

Postby GalFisk » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:42 pm

Os the occupation as old as: homo species? Homo sapiens? Recorded history? Thousands of years? Hundreds? Tens? Is creativity involved? Does he work with one or more objects? Does it produce a tangible result? Does he lift heavy things? Is the thing only he does something negative? Positive? Neither? Does he relevantly combine it with something else?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:32 pm

Is the occupation as old as: homo species? Homo sapiens? Recorded history? Thousands of years? Hundreds? Between 100-200 years Tens? Is creativity involved? No Does he work with one or more objects? Yes Does it produce a tangible result? Yes Does he lift heavy things? No Is the thing only he does something negative? Positive? Neither? Neither Does he relevantly combine it with something else? No
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:54 am

Does he work in a factory? Is he a kind of artisan (carpenter, metalsmith...)?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:12 am

I think I can accept the blame for starting the REM themed puzzle / title fad. Long may it continue.

Is Carlos still alive? A real person? fictional? Does he excel at his job? Is he well known?

Does the output of Carlos' work have relevance today? Did he inadvertently become part of history? Is Carlos' distinction an unwanted one?

Is his nationality or specific location relevant?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:51 pm

Does he work in a factory? No Is he a kind of artisan (carpenter, metalsmith...)? No

I think I can accept the blame for starting the REM themed puzzle / title fad. Long may it continue. Here, here!

Is Carlos still alive? Yes A real person? Yes fictional? No Does he excel at his job? He doesn't hold this job any longer Is he well known? Not very

Does the output of Carlos' work have relevance today? No Did he inadvertently become part of history? No Is Carlos' distinction an unwanted one? No

Is his nationality or specific location relevant? Neither
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:10 am

Does he work with one object? Two? More than 100? Vehicles relevant? Does he make things for sale? Food relevant? Farming? Drink? Engines? Science? Did he relevantly win awards?
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:13 pm

Does he work with one object? Two? More than 100? Depends on what you'd relevantly consider an "object," but as for objects he "works with," I'd say three.
Vehicles relevant? Does he make things for sale? Food relevant? Farming? Drink? Engines? Science? Did he relevantly win awards? No to all
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:53 pm

Are the objects: changed? Used up? Discarded? Improved? Put together? Is he using tools? Relevant what he did before he held this job? After? During?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:44 pm

Are the objects: changed? Used up? Discarded? Improved? Put together? No to all Is he using tools? No Relevant what he did before he held this job? After? During? No to all
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:26 pm

Does his job involve writing or speaking in some capacity? Does it involve interaction with the public? Does he work alone?

Is his job still common? Looking through the veil of ignorance, could anyone come into the world and anticipate that they could end up in Carlos' job? Do certain circumstances have to conspire to allow one to enter this job?

Is there anything unusual about Carlos himself? Did he make a mistake in his line of work? Is his general performance in the role relevant? Did he do or become something on one occasion, or is he continually/habitually unique in his performance of this role? Does the uniqueness pertain to him in the capacity of his work, or extraneously?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:56 pm

Does his job involve writing or speaking in some capacity? No Does it involve interaction with the public? "Interaction with"? Noish Does he work alone? No

Is his job still common? Yes Looking through the veil of ignorance, could anyone come into the world and anticipate that they could end up in Carlos' job? Yes Do certain circumstances have to conspire to allow one to enter this job? DOYD of "conspire"

Is there anything unusual about Carlos himself? "Unusual"? No. "Specific to allowing him to be the only one to do this"? Yes. Did he make a mistake in his line of work? No Is his general performance in the role relevant? No Did he do or become something on one occasion Noish or is he continually/habitually unique in his performance of this role? He does not have the job any longer, recall, but "continually," if I understood the question right Does the uniqueness pertain to him in the capacity of his work, or extraneously? The former
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Postby peter365 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:53 pm

Is there something about Carlos' physical make up that makes him the only one who..... ? Is he able bodied? Is his age while doing this job relevant? has he had any other relevant occupation?

Is the job lucrative ? much sought after? is location relevant?

Is Carlos the only one who did something ? or didn't ?

Any risk or danger involved? Crimes? Sports? Does he work in entertainment?

I feel and LTFP list of occupations might not be appropriate here, is it?
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:36 pm

Is there something about Carlos' physical make up that makes him the only one who..... ? No Is he able bodied? Yes Is his age while doing this job relevant? Only in that people who have this occupation are generally in a certain age range has he had any other relevant occupation? No

Is the job lucrative? Yes much sought after? I would consider it so is location relevant? No

Is Carlos the only one who did something? Yes or didn't? No

Any risk or danger involved? No Crimes? No Sports? Yes Does he work in entertainment? See previous

I feel and LTFP list of occupations might not be appropriate here, is it? It would probably make it too easy, but the above questions should help.
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:47 pm

Is Carlos an athlete? Is his sport relevant?
Did he accomplish something in a certain sport that had not been accomplished in the past? Was there something about him that made him different from others who had played that sport?
Did he overcome some kind of physical or mental limitation to participate in that sport?
Was he good at the sport? Or not good at it?
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:57 pm

Is Carlos an athlete? Yes Is his sport relevant? It could apply to multiple sports but I'll just say that it is baseball
Did he accomplish something in a certain sport that had not been accomplished in the past? "Accomplish" isn't the word Was there something about him that made him different from others who had played that sport? Yope
Did he overcome some kind of physical or mental limitation to participate in that sport? Irrel
Was he good at the sport? He had a respectably long career Or not good at it?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:38 am

Did Carlos FAIL to accomplish something in baseball that most do accomplish? Is it a lack of something that made him unique?
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:24 pm

Did Carlos FAIL to accomplish something in baseball that most do accomplish? No Is it a lack of something that made him unique? No
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Postby Twilightseeker » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:34 am

Is it something to do with his stats as a baseball players? Like how many times he did a certain thing...?
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Postby Balin » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:42 pm

Is it something to do with his stats as a baseball players? No Like how many times he did a certain thing...? No
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Postby Westing1992 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:34 pm

WAG: He did a "five-base" home run. (I recall reading about a player who rounded the bases put didn't touch first, necessitating this.)

Otherwise: Is this something HE did, or something that was done to him? Does the statement continue in active or passive voice? (For example, he was the only one who was traded for something unusual.)

Did he do something during the course of a ballgame? When he was up to bat? On the bases? Out at field? Pitching? Catching? In the dugout? Did he do something outside of a game, though still related to his job?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:47 pm

WAG: He did a "five-base" home run. (I recall reading about a player who rounded the bases put didn't touch first, necessitating this.) Interesting guess, but this isn't it.

Otherwise: Is this something HE did, or something that was done to him? The former Does the statement continue in active or passive voice? Active (For example, he was the only one who was traded for something unusual.) Not this

Did he do something during the course of a ballgame? Yes When he was up to bat? On the bases? Out at field? Pitching? Catching? In the dugout? All of these! (But not pitching or catching, as he was neither.) Did he do something outside of a game, though still related to his job? Noish
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Postby Westing1992 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:31 pm

Does it concern his uniform? His number? Did it bear his first name instead of his last name for some reason?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:02 am

Does it concern his uniform? Yes His number? Yes Did it bear his first name instead of his last name for some reason? No (there have actually been a few players who have worn their first name, but this wasn't the case here)
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Postby peter365 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:20 am

Is there some correlation between his name and his number? Is Carlos' surname relevant?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:19 am

Is there some correlation between his name and his number? Yes Is Carlos' surname relevant? Yes
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Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:22 am

Is his surname's spelling relevant? Meaning (i.e. for names with clear meanings, such as Brown or Miller)? His surname's pronunciation? Is his surname pronounced similarly to the pronunciation of his number?

Is the placement of his name or number on his uniform relevant?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:42 pm

Are the numerical value of the letters of his surname based on their order in the alphabet relevant?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:40 pm

Is his surname's spelling relevant? Yes Meaning (i.e. for names with clear meanings, such as Brown or Miller)? Yes His surname's pronunciation? Yes Is his surname pronounced similarly to the pronunciation of his number? No

Is the placement of his name or number on his uniform relevant? To an extent, in that his name appears above his number on the back of the jersey.

Are the numerical value of the letters of his surname based on their order in the alphabet relevant? No
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Postby WiZ » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:51 pm

Does the positioning of the name and number create some sort of Dingbat (far-fetched example: his surname is Fatman and his number is eight, creating the dingbat 'Fat man overate')?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:28 pm

Does the positioning of the name and number create some sort of Dingbat (far-fetched example: his surname is Fatman and his number is eight, creating the dingbat 'Fat man overate')? No
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Postby peter365 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:51 am

Is 'who's on first?' relevant?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:10 pm

Is 'who's on first?' relevant? Very sadly, no. Though that has happened in a major league game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWei5rfeSPA
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:17 pm

Does his surname sound the same as another word? A noun? Verb? Adjective? Other?
Does his jersey number, when said before or after the name, combine to make an interesting, funny or offensive word or phrase?
Is his jersey number between 0 and 99?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:20 pm

Does his surname sound the same as another word? Yes, and it's spelled the same also A noun? Verb? Adjective? Other? The word has multiple meanings but is relevantly a proper noun. (This should help end it...)

Does his jersey number, when said before or after the name, After, yes
combine to make Yes
an interesting, funny or offensive word or phrase? Not a phrase, no

Is his jersey number between 0 and 99? Yes
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:43 pm

Does it combine to make a word? A name? Another number? Does it repeat itself somehow? Does it repeat itself somehow?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:53 am

Does it combine to make a word? A name? Another number? Does it repeat itself somehow? Does it repeat itself somehow? No to all
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:08 pm

Is the number 1, which sounds like "won"? Or 2, which sounds like "too"? Or 4, which sounds like "for"? Or 8 which sounds like "ate"? Or 10, which is the last syllable of a word like "flatten"?
Is the number between 1 and 9?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:21 pm

Is the number 1, which sounds like "won"? Or 2, which sounds like "too"? Or 4, which sounds like "for"? Or 8 which sounds like "ate"? Or 10, which is the last syllable of a word like "flatten"? No to all. The number is thought of a number.
Is the number between 1 and 9? No
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:31 pm

Is the number zero? If not, is it a two-digit number?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:47 pm

Is the number zero? No If not, is it a two-digit number? Yes
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:50 pm

Is the number 40, by chance?
If not, 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? 81-90? 91-99?
Does the name and number combination result in a word that has to do with the sport that he plays? Or with music? Or with entertainment? Or an object?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:35 pm

Is it a number that carries a certain significance without context? 24? 42? 69? 88?
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:06 am

Is the number 40, by chance? No
If not, 11-20? This; specifically, it's 17 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? 81-90? 91-99?
Does the name and number combination result in a word that has to do with the sport that he plays? Or with music? Or with entertainment? Or an object? No to all

Is it a number that carries a certain significance without context? On its own? No 24? 42? 69? 88? None of these
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:36 am

So the structure here is "[NAME] 17", which when combined, create a new word?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:37 am

East? Ward? Under? Over? Is '17' to be interpreted as 'Seventeen' or 'One-Seven'?
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:04 am

So the structure here is "[NAME] 17", Yes
which when combined, Yes
create a new word? No

East? Ward? Under? Over? None of these
Is '17' to be interpreted as 'Seventeen' or 'One-Seven'? The former
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:18 am

Create a new phrase? Or a combination of words?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:20 am

A wild guess, is his surname Heaven by any chance?
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:50 pm

Create a new phrase? Not exactly Or a combination of words? Sort of

A wild guess, is his surname Heaven by any chance? No – I'm curious as to what this thought was.
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:10 pm

Is his last name the same as the name of a US city?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:36 pm

Is there any alliteration or rhyming involved?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:34 pm

Balin wrote:Create a new phrase? Not exactly Or a combination of words? Sort of

A wild guess, is his surname Heaven by any chance? No – I'm curious as to what this thought was.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_17

You're too young but I remember them like it was yesterday. Check out temptation a good example of some of the surprisingly good synth music of the 1980s.
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:47 pm

Is his last name the same as the name of a US city? No, not a bad guess though.

Is there any alliteration or rhyming involved? No


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_17 You're too young but I remember them like it was yesterday. Check out temptation a good example of some of the surprisingly good synth music of the 1980s. Will do.

Another good uniform story that would probably make a good puzzle, but isn't this one: the 1976 Atlanta Braves wore nicknames on their uniforms. Owner Ted Turner had pitcher Andy Messersmith wear the nickname "Channel," so that combined with his number 17, his jersey said "Channel 17," a TV station Turner owned. When the National League president put the kibosh on that, Messersmith wore "Bluto" as his nickname.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/15507790/uni-watch-friday-flashback-braves-keep-informal

OK, back to the puzzle at hand.
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Postby biograd » Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:36 am

That last post prompted me to do something I've wanted to do every time I see or hear the word, and that is to look up what a "kibosh" actually is. It seems this is a lateral puzzle nobody has managed to solve.

Anyway, back to the puzzle, so do the word and the number 17 together don't make a phrase? since that's what you said, do they make the name of something (e.g. a movie, a book, a company/brand, etc.)?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:30 pm

That last post prompted me to do something I've wanted to do every time I see or hear the word, and that is to look up what a "kibosh" actually is. It seems this is a lateral puzzle nobody has managed to solve. The bane of etymologists?

Anyway, back to the puzzle, so do the word and the number 17 together don't make a phrase? Correct since that's what you said, do they make the name of something (e.g. a movie, a book, a company/brand, etc.)? No, not like this
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Postby WiZ » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:45 pm

So, what it combines to form is not a word, name, phrase, phonetic thing, or larger number - but is 'sort of' a combination of words. Ye gods.

Does this 'sort of' combination consist of a single word? Two words? Moar? Would it be typically written down using the numerals 1 and 7? In words? Is there hyphenation involved?

Does it involve symbols? Is it an equation of some sort?

Does the sort-of-combination form a proper noun (or contains one)? Would this combination have a capital letter in all circumstances?

Are dates relevant? Is his surname March, and March 17 is his date of birth (or a reference to St. Patrick's day - please expand this principle to any other months of the year in which the date and month conspire to something of relative significance)?
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work

Postby Balin » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:45 pm

So, what it combines to form is not a word, name, phrase, phonetic thing, or larger number - but is 'sort of' a combination of words. Ye gods. Worry not...

Are dates relevant? Is his surname March, and March 17 is his date of birth (or a reference to St. Patrick's day - please expand this principle to any other months of the year in which the date and month conspire to something of relative significance)? ...because this is the answer.

****SPOILER****

Carlos May, born on May 17, wore No. 17 for most of his tenure with the Chicago White Sox. His jersey, showing his last name (May) above his number (17), thus displayed "May 17," making him the only baseball player to wear his birthday on his uniform.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_May

Well done everyone for churning through that muddle of Yopes and -ishes, and WiZ for the answer.
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work (*SOLVED*)

Postby WiZ » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:04 pm

Ah, happy is the host whose puzzle pivots on a detail that defies easy classification. Good puzzle.
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work (*SOLVED*)

Postby peter365 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:44 am

Great puzzle Balin
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Re: [Balin] Stand in the place where you work (*SOLVED*)

Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:17 am

Awesome puzzle.
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