[CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

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[CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:40 pm

Josef and Rhett would have preferred to hear the siren.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:27 pm

Josef: H/A/M? Rhett: H/A/M?
Did they hear something besides the siren? Did they hear anything at all?
Was a siren actually heard by anyone? Did a siren actually sound?
Siren = mechanical noise device signifying emergency? Mythological sea temptress?
Was there an emergency?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:43 pm

Josef: H/A/M? Rhett: H/A/M? Yes, both
Did they hear something besides the siren? Yes Did they hear anything at all? Yes...and no
Was a siren actually heard by anyone? Not at this point in time, no Did a siren actually sound? Not at this point in time, no
Siren = mechanical noise device yes signifying emergency? ...in many cases yes, but not always. Explore.
Mythological sea temptress? No
Was there an emergency? No

This is based on an incident that occurred involving me when I was 16, which is the age that you can safely assume Josef and Rhett to be
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby biograd » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:59 pm

A police siren? a siren on an emergency vehicle? a tornado siren? WAG: Were Josef and Rhett speeding, and they would have known there was a police car nearby if some other noise hadn't drowned it out?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby biograd » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:03 pm

Also, to add to my above questions: would they have heard the siren "in real life", i.e. from a siren that was physically present near them? or would they have heard a siren in, for example, a recording?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:12 pm

A police siren? a siren on an emergency vehicle? Yes, this type of siren
a tornado siren? No, not this type
WAG: Were Josef and Rhett speeding, and they would have known there was a police car nearby if some other noise hadn't drowned it out?
No but good guess

Also, to add to my above questions: would they have heard the siren "in real life", i.e. from a siren that was physically present near them? In a way...
or would they have heard a siren in, for example, a recording? ...yes, it would have been more like this. Good question.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:30 pm

Was the siren on an ambulance? A fire truck?
Did J&R get into trouble? With the law?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:32 pm

Was the siren on an ambulance? A fire truck? Neither of these, no (see last set of q's about where the actual siren was)
Did J&R get into trouble? With the law? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:09 am

Was the siren that they could have heard over a radio? over a telephone?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:18 pm

Was the siren that they could have heard over a radio? over a telephone?
Neither of these
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:32 pm

Was the siren heard in a movie? On a TV show?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:00 am

Was the siren heard in a movie? On a TV show? Not this one
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:59 am

Was it being played on a CD/other music device?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:47 pm

Was it being played on a CD/other music No, not music, but... device? ...yes, a device.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:18 pm

Was it played on an MP3 player? iPod? Phone? Radio? Tape recorder?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:22 pm

Was it played on an MP3 player? iPod? Phone? Radio? Tape recorder?
None of these. It may be helpful to know that the incident that this puzzle is based on happened to me in 1989.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:58 pm

Radio? Electronic sound generator/synthesizer? Toy? Sound recording and/or playback device? Did they hear anything? If so, relevant what? Was a device malfunctioning? Not functioning at all?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:28 pm

Radio? Electronic sound generator/synthesizer? No
Toy? This is one relevant device, yes. There's another one that would not be considered a "toy".
Sound recording and/or playback device? No (this isn't the primary function of either device)
Did they hear anything? Oh yes If so, relevant what? Very relevant, yes
Was a device malfunctioning? Not functioning at all? The device that they heard was functioning properly
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:45 pm

Did they want to hear a different device? Did they want to hear a toy? Did they hear: noise? Voice(s)? A signal? Music? Something excessively loud? Something that meant they were in trouble? Did someone mistake a toy for the real thing? WAG: Did they think they had a toy gun that sounded like a siren, but they had a real one that went bang?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:04 pm

Did they want to hear a different device? Yope, explore
Did they want to hear a toy? Not this one...
Did they hear: noise? Yes, specifically...Voice(s)? A signal? Music? ...this.
Something excessively loud? No, loudness wasn't the problem
Something that meant they were in trouble? No
Did someone mistake a toy for the real thing? No
WAG: Did they think they had a toy gun that sounded like a siren, but they had a real one that went bang? No, there was never any threat of harm or danger
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:17 pm

Did they hear a music box? Another mechanical device? An electronic device? Did they want to hear one toy, but heard another toy?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:21 pm

Did they hear a music box? No
Another mechanical device? An electronic device? Yes, this
Did they want to hear one toy, but heard another toy? Yes-ish, refer back to the puzzle statement. You have the right idea here.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:42 pm

HINT: The puzzle title is a clue
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:41 pm

To (hopefully) move this one along, a RECAP:

It's relevant to know that Josef and Rhett heard something, but also that they didn't hear something else
In this instance, the siren that they would have otherwise heard did not indicate an emergency but it sounded the same as that type of siren
The siren they could have otherwise heard was made by a device, but not one that would be strictly called a "toy"
The sound they did hear was made by an electronic device
The puzzle title contains a clue about what they heard
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Acridian9 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:11 pm

An alarm clock relevant? slot machines?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:44 pm

An alarm clock relevant? No
slot machines? Not this but you are getting OTRT
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Acridian9 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:50 am

A computer game relevant? arcade game?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:21 am

Would the siren indicate: the end of something? Success? Game over? A prize? An alarm?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:01 pm

A computer game relevant? arcade game? This one!

Would the siren indicate: the end of something? No Success? No Game over? No, actually somewhat the opposite of this
A prize? An alarm? No to these
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Acridian9 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:28 am

Pacman (If I recall correctly, there's a siren in background)?
Did they thought they would play a certain game, but it was another arcade?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:36 pm

Pacman (If I recall correctly, there's a siren in background)? YES, this is the relevant video game for the puzzle
Did they thought they would play a certain game, but it was another arcade? "They" weren't playing, but playing a type of game device is relevant
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Acridian9 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:37 pm

Did they hear a sound from another game? another sound from Pacman?
Is the other device a computer? a game console?
Were they trying to install or run a version of Pacman on the device?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:30 pm

Did they hear a sound from another game? Yes (now read the puzzle statement again) another sound from Pacman? No
Is the other device a computer? a game console? This
Were they trying to install or run a version of Pacman on the device? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:37 pm

So they would have preferred to have heard Pac-Man, but heard another game instead?
Were they at an arcade?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:41 pm

So they would have preferred to have heard Pac-Man, but heard another game instead? Exactly. Now the puzzle's title is a clue to the reason for this.
Were they at an arcade? No, they weren't, and this is somewhat relevant to the reason they felt the way they did
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Acridian9 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:22 pm

They heard the other game (relevant which game?) but....did they see someone playing? did they see the game console running the game?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:15 pm

They heard the other game Yes (this is the most relevant part)
(relevant which game?) The name/title isn't relevant, there's one main thing about the game that is relevant
but....did they see someone playing? Yes
did they see the game console running the game? Yes
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:08 pm

Is the other game also an arcade game?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:11 pm

Is the other game also an arcade game? Yes. In this case the relevant game was a small hand-held electronic device.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:48 am

Was someone playing a Gameboy or the equivalent?
Was the siren they heard from a different game? Did it indicate that time was running out in the game, as in a countdown to an event or loss of the game? Was someone playing Pacman on the device, or a different game?
Were R and J playing different devices?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:38 pm

Was someone playing a Gameboy or the equivalent? Yes, a person was playing a hand-held game device (see below)
Was the siren they heard from a different game? Well they didn't hear a siren on this occasion, but the two main characters agreed that all other things being equal they would have preferred to hear the siren in Pac Man
Did it indicate that time was running out in the game, as in a countdown to an event or loss of the game? No, the game that was being played did not have a siren sound. "Time" in this case refers to something else.
Was someone playing Pacman on the device, or a different game? Yes, there was another person present besides R and J and this person was playing a game that was very similar to Pac Man but had one very relevant difference
Were R and J playing different devices? No, neither of them had a device

Good questions
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:49 pm

Was Handheld Gamer playing a knock-off of Pac-Man? A game in the Pac-Man franchise?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:52 pm

Was Handheld Gamer playing a knock-off of Pac-Man? Yes (it was called "Epoch Man")
A game in the Pac-Man franchise? It was a Pac Man clone game with two key differences from the real game. The puzzle title refers to one of the key differences, the puzzle statement refers to the other key difference.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:09 pm

(I collect old toys and electronics and have heard of Epoch Man but unfortunately know little about it.)

Did this occur at school? is what R and J doing at the same time as Epoch Man was being played relevant?

does the sound from EM they heard indicate the start of a game? a new level being reached? a high score being reached? awarding of an extra man?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:46 pm

Did this occur at school? is what R and J doing at the same time as Epoch Man was being played relevant?
It wasn't at school. The situation is somewhat relevant and may help with establishing the sequence of events that led up to R and J making their declaration of what they would have preferred.

This puzzle is based on something that happened when I and two of my friends were on a trip together. I, Rhett and another friend of ours (we'll call him Joe) were sharing a room. Joe had brought a hand-held electronic game, Epoch Man, and played it frequently during the days that we were sharing the room. After discovering something about the game, Rhett and I started joking that we would have preferred that if Joe insisted on playing a game that it be the actual Pac Man game and not Epoch Man. The jokes had a tone of seriousness after a while because both Rhett and I were bothered by something specific about Joe's game.


does the sound from EM they heard indicate the start of a game? Yes
a new level being reached? a high score being reached? awarding of an extra man? None of these. In fact, the only sound that the game made was the one that indicated the start of a new game - good question.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:48 pm

Is the specific sound it made relevant? Or just that it was not a siren?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:59 pm

Did you get tired of hearing the sound because it meant that Joe was going to be playing it again? because if the sound was heard by others it might be misinterpreted as something else? did Joe play the game when he should of been doing other things? did he do nothing but play EM?

is Joe's skill level at EM relevant?

in referring to Pac-Man to Joe, you were referring to the actual arcade game cabinet/cabaret/cocktail itself? not any of the various home console game versions? and not the handheld version of Pac-Man?

is what bothered you just the sound? or some aspect of the game itself? gameplay aspect? perhaps that the game had no other sound to begin with? or that is lacked music?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:10 pm

Is the specific sound it made relevant? Yes, one aspect of it especially
Or just that it was not a siren? Not really. The significance of the siren is that it is an element of the real Pac Man game. Neither I or Rhett specifically mentioned the siren, but we implied that we'd rather endure the sound effects of the normal Pac Man game (which include the siren) than the one aspect of Epoch Man.

Did you get tired of hearing the sound because it meant that Joe was going to be playing it again? We didn't care that Joe wanted to play the game multiple times. What this meant though was that we had to keep hearing the sound at the start of the game.
because if the sound was heard by others it might be misinterpreted as something else? No, not relevant
did Joe play the game when he should of been doing other things? did he do nothing but play EM? We weren't in the room for most of the day, just in the morning and late afternoon/evening. This was considered free time, and Joe used some of this time to play the game. Rhett and I played it some, but it didn't matter who played it, Rhett and I were both bothered by the sound at the beginning of each new game (see hint below)

is Joe's skill level at EM relevant? No

in referring to Pac-Man to Joe, you were referring to the actual arcade game cabinet/cabaret/cocktail itself? not any of the various home console game versions? and not the handheld version of Pac-Man? Just the game in any form that would have included the usual sounds associated with the actual Pac Man game and NOT this relevant sound being made by Epoch Man

is what bothered you just the sound? One aspect of it (see hint below) or some aspect of the game itself? Only the sound made at the start of each game gameplay aspect? No perhaps that the game had no other sound to begin with? Not really

or that is lacked music? NO, quite the opposite! Good question!

HINT: Rhett and I had something in common that made us annoyed by the sound made at the start of each game. Joe didn't share this quality so it didn't bother him
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:16 pm

Was Joe deaf? were you and Rhett musicians?

would you preferred to have heard the Pac-Man sounds over hearing music played by EM at the beginning of each game?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:39 pm

Was Joe deaf? No (that's a funny question though)
were you and Rhett musicians? Yes!

would you preferred to have heard the Pac-Man sounds over hearing music played by EM at the beginning of each game?
Yes, exactly! All you need to do now is figure out why.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:00 pm

You would have preferred to have heard Pac-Man sounds because the EM music was particularly offensive to your more trained/sensitive musician ears? was it offensive because it was badly composed? because it was tonally unbalanced/badly put together? bad/wrong/jarring/incompatible notes were used? mixture of some or all of the above? :)
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:07 pm

You would have preferred to have heard Pac-Man sounds because the EM music was particularly offensive to your more trained/sensitive musician ears? Yes, one specific aspect of it was
was it offensive because it was badly composed? This would be a fair statement...because it was tonally unbalanced/badly put together?...yes. While the term "music" is a bit of a stretch for the sounds that the game made, it was very clear to Rhett and me that one element of the "music" was not pleasing to us (and the puzzle title gives a clue to this element)
bad/wrong/jarring/incompatible notes were used? mixture of some or all of the above? No, it had nothing to do with the notes/tones
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:11 pm

Was the timing of the music off? and/or badly timed?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:56 pm

Was the timing of the music off? and/or badly timed? Yes!

****** SPOILER ******

Rhett and I quickly noticed that the opening "music" (it was really just a series of tones emitted by a very basic electronic game) was not "composed" in a way that would fit any standard timing in music. The tune started like it was in 4/4 time, but just before what would normally be the 4th beat, the tune skipped a beat and repeated. Rhett noticed this before I did, but I knew exactly what he was talking about when he began to joke with Joe that the game's sound was annoying. Joe didn't have an ear for music, so he didn't know what we were talking about. It drove us both crazy, and we would start loudly singing the tune while Joe played the game with the hopes that we could figure out the rhythm and timing of the tune. Ultimately we decided that because it was a ripoff of Pac Man there probably wasn't much thought on the timing of the tune that signalled the start of a new game.


Nice work to finally get to the end of this one!
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Re: [CoffeeBean] When The Time Is Short

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:59 pm

Liked that one, like I said the subject matter was right up my alley!

P.S. I have a lousy ear for music myself, sadly.
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