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[WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [PUZZEL OF THE YEAR 2016]

Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:14 pm

The first is usually happy. The last is generally one. What is everything in between?
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:26 pm

The first = H? A? M? F?
The last = H? A? M? F?

The last, "one" = one single individual?

Happy = joyful, feeling good, contented, pleased?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:30 pm

The first = H? A? M? F? no to all
The last = H? A? M? F? no to all

The last, "one" = one single individual? one single, individual something, yes

Happy = joyful yes, feeling good, contented, pleased? no to these on a linguistic/metaphysical technicality
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:39 pm

Is this a word puzzle of some sort? A sequence?
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:45 pm

Is this a word puzzle of some sort? Not strictly, it's a little more concrete A sequence? A sequence is involved (hence the 'first' and 'last')
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:42 am

Is it a sequence of events?
Is the "one" an individual person? An animal? An event? An object?
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:20 am

Is it a sequence of events? no
Is the "one" an individual person? An animal? An event? An object? no to all
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Postby rcb » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:21 am

Is it a sequence of numbers? Is the last the number "one" (1) ?

Are there occasions in which the first is not happy? Are there occasions in which the last is not one? If yes, if the first is not happy, is the last something other than one?

Is (modern) technology relevant? Is "everything in between" a discrete quantity? If so, is the number of elements of the "everything in between" quantity relevant? So, 1? 2? less than 10? less than 100? less than 1000?

Music relevant? Sound, generally speaking?

Are there any humans relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:01 pm

Is it a sequence of numbers? no Is the last the number "one" (1) ? the last represents the number one. But what it fundamentally _is_, and what links it to the other phenomena in the sequence, is not a number.

Are there occasions in which the first is not happy? yes Are there occasions in which the last is not one? yes If yes, if the first is not happy, is the last something other than one? no, there is no explicit causal link

Is (modern) technology relevant? no Is "everything in between" a discrete quantity? yes (although hugely variable) If so, is the number of elements of the "everything in between" quantity relevant? So, 1? 2? less than 10? less than 100? less than 1000? no to all, under most circumstances

Music relevant? no Sound, generally speaking? yes

Are there any humans relevant? humans are relevant
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:03 pm

Are sounds made by humans relevant? words? phonemes?
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:42 pm

For "the first is usually happy," are any characters representing smiling relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:15 pm

Twilightseeker

Are sounds made by humans relevant? yes words? and yes phonemes? but no

Balin

For "the first is usually happy," are any characters representing smiling relevant? no :D :) ;) :lol: :P :twisted: :mrgreen:
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:52 pm

A sequences of words? words in a sentence, a phrase? a list? are they random sequenced? Do they make sense grammatically? are they lyrics? a poem? a story? a paragraph? are they spoken aloud or written? are they in a particular language? English by any chance? Another language?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:58 pm

A sequences of words? yes words in a sentence, a phrase? a list? no to these, although the sequence could contain any and all of them are they random sequenced? not randomly, although there is great variation Do they make sense grammatically? yes, most of the time are they lyrics? a poem? a story? a paragraph? no to these, although the sequence could contain any and all of them are they spoken aloud or written? Spoken aloud, for the purposes of this puzzle, although one could include written words and not change the underlying logic are they in a particular language? yes English by any chance? yes Another language? no (although a similar puzzle could be run with different words playing the same role)
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:12 am

Are they sequenced according to a pattern, such as alphabetic order, or in order of some aspect of their letters? Are they ordered according to a semantic logic, based on their meanings? Are these words of a particular grammatical category (e.g all nouns, all verbs, mostly pronouns, etc.)?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:07 am

Are they sequenced according to a pattern, such as alphabetic order, or in order of some aspect of their letters? no Are they ordered according to a semantic logic, based on their meanings? yes Are these words of a particular grammatical category (e.g all nouns, all verbs, mostly pronouns, etc.)? no
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby rcb » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:07 am

Is the sequence uttered repeatedly by one individual? Or different individuals utter different sequences? If the former, is it relevant how often these sequences are formed? How far apart is one utterance from the other? Which is the duration of one sequence? Are those sequences all of equal duration?

Is the duration of one sequence the life-span of an individual? So that the first refers to the first word uttered by a man and the last is his last word?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:26 pm

Is the sequence uttered repeatedly by one individual? no Or different individuals utter different sequences? yes If the former, is it relevant how often these sequences are formed? this is very relevant How far apart is one utterance from the other? but this even more so Which is the duration of one sequence? and this most of all Are those sequences all of equal duration? yes!

Is the duration of one sequence the life-span of an individual? no So that the first refers to the first word uttered by a man and the last is his last word? but this is very much OTRT

A most astute round of questions, rcb! Felicitări!
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:29 pm

Is it "happy" as in "happy birthday"?
And "one" as in the final number/word in a countdown, like "Three...two...one"?
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:46 pm

Is it "happy" as in "happy birthday"? this is the sort of context in which 'happy' is used
And "one" as in the final number/word in a countdown, like "Three...two...one"? yes, very good
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:49 pm

Happy New Year?
The first word of the year is "Happy!" (New Year), and the last word of the year is "one" (counting down the year that is ending)?
So what is in between is...a year!
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:55 pm

That's a GOOD one! So irritated I didn't get to the answer...
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's

Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:58 pm

Happy New Year?
The first word of the year is "Happy!" (New Year), and the last word of the year is "one" (counting down the year that is ending)?
So what is in between is...a year! correct!

***** SPOILER *****

Most oft, the first word one finds oneself saying in a given year is 'Happy' (immediately followed by 'new year!'). Similarly, the year would often end in a countdown, with the word 'one' being said in the final second.

'Everything in between' is the set of words spoken over the course of the year.


Of course, there are many exceptions, but this will be true in a great number of cases (and is almost certainly the modal answer). Congratulations to CoffeeBean for the solution, and rcb for one of the most poignant sets of questions I've ever seen.

Hmm. It appears I'm out of puzzles. I'll have to see what else I can contrive...
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:00 pm

I'm adding this to my list of favorite LTPs, as soon as I create the list.

Very nice!
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:05 pm

Yeah this is a good puzzle, the initial statement can be interpreted so many different ways, and it doesn't completely make sense from a grammatical standpoint. Those questions from rcb paved the way for the solution, no doubt.
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby rcb » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:29 pm

Great puzzle indeed, and a brilliant final solve.

Multumesc, WiZ!
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby peter365 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:03 am

Wow that's awesome. WiZ you've hosted many brilliant puzzles on this forum but I think this one is right up there with the best of them.

Hope our venerated Admin spots this as it's a must for his next book.
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby Zanreo » Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:23 pm

Really clever, great puzzle!
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby WiZ » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:23 am

Thanks for your kind praise, everyone. I never am truly sure how clever a puzzle is when I post it.

Peter: If this does make it to his next book, it would have ticked off something that's been on my bucket list since I was a young teenager :)
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby peter365 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:43 pm

I'm in one but I can't recall which .
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby Balin » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:44 pm

I can't remember which book either but I remember which puzzle it was (about occupants of a car being asked an obvious question).
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby WiZ » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:13 pm

If that's the one, it's in Outside-the-Box Lateral Thinking Puzzles. One of the better ones in that collection, actually.
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby peter365 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:34 am

That's right It was about a soldier at a checkpoint asking the occupants of a car what colour the vehicle was to see if they flinched or looked around. The notion being that if one had stolen the car they may not remember its colour.

Note to Admin: I never got my free copy :cry:
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:37 pm

A good one, Wiz!

I got my first-ever puzzle into a book... that was like eight years ago and was a great welcome to the site. I still have my copy and use it at work all the time.
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:18 pm

I found a copy of Outside-the-Box LTPs at a local bookstore. Yep – that's the one with Peter's puzzle. (Should've checked the others there; could've learned which one has Jen's.)
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle of this fink's [SOLVED]

Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:34 pm

Most of my collection has come from second-hand bookstores. I think I arrived just too late to a franchise that was just not popular enough to find them in standard bookstores. See also: Fighting Fantasy.

But there's a certain thrill in finding them in a store that has utterly no guarantee of their being there. And I have Cunning and Captivating as a result of a backdoor deal struck with a friend of mine who worked for an independent bookstore in Wellington. He met me in a back alley and handed me the copies in a brown paper packet (after I'd paid for them upfront a fortnight or so prior). In my opinion, those are the best two books of Paul&Des' in the post-Marvin Miller era, so that was nice.
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