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[WiZ] You can stem the flow of WiZ puzzles by not solving em

Postby WiZ » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:22 pm

Freddy the foreman has an apparatus on his construction site. Over the course of the day, he quite deliberately moves it around to a variety of random places where it serves no functional purpose. He goes home very satisfied with himself. What has he accomplished?

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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:49 pm

Is the apparatus directly related to the construction? Is it a piece of construction equipment?

As I wrote this, I had a theory which I am PM'ing.
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Postby WiZ » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:57 pm

Is the apparatus directly related to the construction? Is it a piece of construction equipment? no to both

As I wrote this, I had a theory which I am PM'ing. In the words of Roy Webber, that's good but it's not right!
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:25 pm

OK then:

Is the material the apparatus is made of relevant?
Does he move the apparatus to different places on the construction site? Outside the site?
Does he move the apparatus by hand?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:39 pm

Is the material the apparatus is made of relevant? no
Does he move the apparatus to different places on the construction site? yes Outside the site? no (although moving it very nearby could serve the same purpose, with added risk)
Does he move the apparatus by hand? yes
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:55 am

Is he trying to deceive anyone?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:57 am

Is he trying to deceive anyone? no
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:24 am

Is what he is doing rational? Does he have a good reason for moving this object around all day? Is this apparatus what would be referred to as a machine? Is it powered by electricity? By battery? Is it mechanical? Is it bigger than a chicken? Smaller? Is it heavy? More than 10 kilos? Less? Does he "use" it at any point during the day? Does anyone else do so? Does it EVER "function" as its creators/constructors intended? Or in some other (unexpected) capacity?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:15 am

Is what he is doing rational? yes Does he have a good reason for moving this object around all day? yes Is this apparatus what would be referred to as a machine? no Is it powered by electricity? By battery? Is it mechanical? no to all of these Is it bigger than a chicken? buk-buk-BIGGER! Smaller? Is it heavy? no More than 10 kilos? Less? this Does he "use" it at any point during the day? no Does anyone else do so? yope - DOYD of 'use' Does it EVER "function" as its creators/constructors intended? yes Or in some other (unexpected) capacity? no
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:41 am

Is it something that is considered a tool? Something used in construction? Something made of wood, metal, cement, stone, glass, cloth? Does it "work" by itself, or does one have to actively operate it constantly? Can it be turned on? Does it take a special skill to use? Can anyone use it? Is it associated with a certain profession?
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Postby Westing1992 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:06 am

Does he do this to help with the construction? To monitor/alter the behavior of the workers or others?
Is the type of construction being done relevant? The location it's being done?
Does the apparatus cast a shadow? Is this relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:40 am

Twilightseeker

Is it something that is considered a tool? no Something used in construction? no Something made of wood yes, metal, cement, stone, glass, cloth? no to rest Does it "work" by itself yes, or does one have to actively operate it constantly? no Can it be turned on? no Does it take a special skill to use? no Can anyone use it? yes Is it associated with a certain profession? no

Westing1992

Does he do this to help with the construction? no To monitor/alter the behavior of the workers or others? no
Is the type of construction being done relevant? no The location it's being done? yes
Does the apparatus cast a shadow? Is this relevant? no
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Postby rcb » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:33 am

Location relevant: local features relevant? (if so: is the construction site relevantly on(?) or above(?) or near(?) water? in the mountains? on ice?) or maybe is the continent relevant? the country?

Is weather at the site relevant?

The "thing": a sort of vehicle or an element thereof? (boat? oar?) a box? something that hosts or is designed to host a living thing? (such as a cage)?

Is the type of wood used to build the "thing" relevant?

Is the time period relevant? If so: modern times? medieval? ancient?

I have to somehow get rid of the Log Lady thought that haunts me... :?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:38 am

Is this taking place on earth?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:29 pm

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Location relevant: local features relevant? (if so: is the construction site relevantly on(?) or above(?) or near(?) water? in the mountains? on ice?) geographical features are irrelevant or maybe is the continent relevant? the country? no to both; this could happen in any independent country on Earth

Is weather at the site relevant? no

The "thing": a sort of vehicle or an element thereof? (boat? oar?) a box? something that hosts or is designed to host a living thing? (such as a cage)? no to all

Is the type of wood used to build the "thing" relevant? no

Is the time period relevant? yes If so: modern times? yes medieval? ancient? no to these

I have to somehow get rid of the Log Lady thought that haunts me... :? Yes, you do :)

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Is this taking place on earth? Yes
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:55 pm

Is the terrain of the area relevant? Rocky/sandy/silty/grassy? Bumpy? Hilly? Uneven, even? In a canyon, on a hill or mountain, in the woods, at high altitude, by the sea, near a body of water (lake, river, stream, pond, ocean, etc.)?

This device, is it a relatively recent invention? Last 50 years? 100? 200? Would this event be able to take place 100 years ago?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:02 pm

Is the terrain of the area relevant? no Rocky/sandy/silty/grassy? Bumpy? Hilly? Uneven, even? even; no to the rest In a canyon, on a hill or mountain, in the woods, at high altitude, no to all of these by the sea, near a body of water (lake, river, stream, pond, ocean, etc.)? irrelevant to these

This device, is it a relatively recent invention? Yes (I think. Gathering data on this is nigh impossible) Last 50 years? 100? My best guess is this, or slightly longer than this, for the form the apparatus takes. Cruder forms have existed for much longer. 200? Would this event be able to take place 100 years ago? no
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:07 pm

Is the location the site of a building being put up? road being constructed/fixed? other infrastructure?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:36 pm

Is the location the site of a building being put up? yes road being constructed/fixed? other infrastructure? no to these
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:46 am

Would this object look strange to the casual observer of a construction site?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:06 am

Would this object look strange to the casual observer of a construction site? yes, they would be surprised to see it
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:09 am

Is the device a piece of furniture? Is it used to do a household chore? Is it something found in many homes? Is it something most people use or have used? Do you think I've used one?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:10 am

Is the device a piece of furniture? Is it used to do a household chore? Is it something found in many homes? Is it something most people use or have used? Do you think I've used one? no to all :twisted:
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Postby biograd » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:18 am

So, it's made of wood, and bigger than a chicken but less than 10 kilos... is it a thin, flat piece of wood? a sign of some sort?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:19 am

Is the apparatus made entirely out of wood? Wood and something else?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:22 am

Biograd

So, it's made of wood, and bigger than a chicken but less than 10 kilos... is it a thin, flat piece of yes wood? yope a sign of some sort? Not a sign, but OTRT

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Is the apparatus made entirely out of wood? yope Wood and something else? no, it's essentially a monolith
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:43 am

Is he trying to warn someone of something? Is he trying to tell or indicate something to another person or people with the use of this object?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:53 am

Is he trying to warn someone of something? no Is he trying to tell or indicate this something to another person or people and this with the use of this object?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:54 am

Is he indicating something to the public in general? A certain group of people? His employees/coworkers? His boss(es)?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:56 am

Is he indicating something to the public in general? A certain group of people? this His employees/coworkers? His boss(es)? no to these
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:57 am

Are they a group of people that gathers together specifically (a class, a club, a group of friends, a family) or just a bunch of scattered people that all have something in common (age, race, gender, or something perhaps like a hobby, or a misconception they all share--any criterion really)?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:59 am

Are they a group of people that gathers together specifically (a class, a club, a group of friends, a family) these people are gathered together in a deliberate and organised way, yes or just a bunch of scattered people that all have something in common (age, race, gender, or something perhaps like a hobby, or a misconception they all share--any criterion really)? while not a truly random sample, they do share certain relevant commonalities - a key one of which is age
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:03 am

Are they children? teenagers? elderly people? young adults? middle-aged? Are they gathered for recreational reasons? business or work reasons? Are they nearby, potentially looking in at the construction site? Is he trying to indicate that they shouldn't enter his construction area? Is he trying to indicate what kind of building he is building (I'm reminded of those signs that say "Coming Soon: (Business Name)" on some construction sites)?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:07 am

Are they children? yes teenagers? elderly people? young adults? middle-aged? Are they gathered for recreational reasons? business or work reasons? no to these Are they nearby, potentially looking in at the construction site? yes to both Is he trying to indicate that they shouldn't enter his construction area? no Is he trying to indicate what kind of building he is building (I'm reminded of those signs that say "Coming Soon: (Business Name)" on some construction sites)? no
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Postby rcb » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:34 am

Was it anything written on the "thing"? Was it something painted or drawn on it? Or the mere sight of the "thing" conveyed the intended message? Did it have a particular / irregular shape or form, or had it a regular geometrical shape (a rectangle? circle? square? triangle)

Did whatever message it was conveying help the children in avoiding a risk? (After the Log Lady, now comes the Catcher in The Rye ... definitely worth getting rid of also) Solving a problem? Making them laugh?

Is the thing commonly used ouside the construction / building industry? Is it a blackboard?

Is the construction site next to a camp? a school? a stadium? Do the children overlook the construction site (such from a high building nearby)?

Does Freddy dance around with the "thing" on a regular basis? Or only in some days? Or maybe it was only in a particular instance in which he did that?

Yopish wood - another natural material ressembling wood? An artificial material ressembling the same?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:28 am

Is it a cut out of someone?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:45 pm

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Was it anything written on the "thing"? no Was it something painted or drawn on it? yes (tiny ish) Or the mere sight of the "thing" conveyed the intended message? Not to tip my hand too much, but the 'thing' would not be, in essence, the 'thing' without that which was painted/drawn on it. So a yes (tiny ish) to this also. Did it have a particular / irregular shape or form this, to both, or had it a regular geometrical shape (a rectangle? circle? square? triangle)

Did whatever message it was conveying help the children in avoiding a risk? (After the Log Lady, now comes the Catcher in The Rye ... definitely worth getting rid of also) no Solving a problem? no Making them laugh? but very much this

Is the thing commonly used ouside the construction / building industry? no Is it a blackboard? no

Is the construction site next to a camp? a school? a stadium? no to these Do the children overlook the construction site yes (such from a high building nearby)? and yes

Does Freddy dance around with the "thing" on a regular basis? yes (assuming you're not talking about literal dancing) Or only in some days? no Or maybe it was only in a particular instance in which he did that? no

Yopish wood - another natural material ressembling wood? no An artificial material ressembling the same? no

Peter

Is it a cut out of someone? Yes!

Good round of questions.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:37 pm

Is the cutout of himself? Is it of a famous person or character? A character that would appeal to children? A cartoon character? a person? an animal?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:41 pm

Is the cutout of himself? Is it of a famous person or character? this A character that would appeal to children? this A cartoon character? this a person? this an animal?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:47 pm

Cartoon character from a movie, book, TV show, other media? Is the character saying something (i.e something written on the cutout in words)? waving? doing something relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:49 pm

Cartoon character from a movie, book this, primarily, TV show, other media? Is the character saying something (i.e something written on the cutout in words)? waving? traditionally, this doing something relevant? no, this character never really does very much
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:51 pm

So, from a children's book? Does the character just wave in the original context? greet people? say something specific?

Is Freddy the foreman putting this character cutout just to amuse kids? For some specific reason?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:00 am

So, from a children's book? Wikipedia sez children's book, although the appeal (and sales) are cross-generational Does the character just wave in the original context? Yes. Sometimes not even that. greet people? yes (the reader) say something specific? yes (DOYD 'say')

Is Freddy the foreman putting this character cutout just to amuse kids? yes For some specific reason? There is a reason he is particularly motivated to amuse this select group of children
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:03 am

Waldo/Wally?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:09 am

Waldo/Wally? You've found the solution!

***** SPOILER *****

The construction site is next to a children's hospital. To amuse the patients, Freddy hides a cardboard cut-out of Wally in various places around the site. When he hears word that the patients have found him, he moves Wally to a new location.


A true story. Well done Balin, and thanks to everyone else for playing. Twilightseeker, you were getting awfully close. Rcb, you will be pleased to know it was neither the log lady or anything associated with J.D. Salinger's works.
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:12 am

Love it! Feel a bit bad for swooping in.

I was completely off-track until the very end because I was never thinking of the construction site in three dimensions (which is really absurd given it is a construction site...).
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:31 am

That's awesome! Great puzzle :)
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Re: [WiZ] You can stem the flow of WiZ puzzles by - [SOLVED]

Postby peter365 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:22 am

Nice puzzle WiZ, I thought of the cut-out thing much earlier and for some reason dismissed it.
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Re: [WiZ] You can stem the flow of WiZ puzzles by - [SOLVED]

Postby rcb » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:29 am

Nice puzzle indeed. And a very moving real story.
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