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[Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:54 pm

Note: VERY SILLY! Also, this may go really quickly, but I thought it was funny.

Today, I tried to communicate with a person who doesn't exist. Despite never having heard of this fictitious person, I know his middle name. How did this happen?

While we're on it, my puzzle "Contradictions" is getting pretty bored sitting down the bottom of the forum page.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Westing1992 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:30 pm

Communicate via medium? Ouija board? Or maybe via telephone? E-mail? Letter? Receptionist?
Does this character appear in some other form of media? (Movie, TV, Comics, etc.)
I assume this was based on a misunderstanding? You thought it was a real person?
WAG: His middle name is 'The' (as in Kermit The Frog or Howard the Duck)?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:09 am

Were you aware of his middle name first, and tried to extrapolate an identity from that?

Were you aware this person was non-existent at the time of your initiating the communication?

Is this an established fictional character or identity? Or is it simply a combination of names that was generated/reached by accident?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:53 pm

Communicate via medium?Not in the sense implied by your next question, though there was a medium of communication other than speech (see later answers) Ouija board? Or maybe via telephone? E-mail?Yes, no to rest. Letter? Receptionist?
Does this character appear in some other form of media? (Movie, TV, Comics, etc.)No
I assume this was based on a misunderstanding?It's a stretch to call it a "misunderstanding", but it was a mistake, yes. You thought it was a real person?FA
WAG: His middle name is 'The' (as in Kermit The Frog or Howard the Duck)?No
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:56 pm

Were you aware of his middle name first, and tried to extrapolate an identity from that?No

Were you aware this person was non-existent at the time of your initiating the communication?Yes or FA, depending on how you look at it.

Is this an established fictional character or identity?No Or is it simply a combination of names that was generated/reached by accident?Yes with elements of a FA
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Zanreo » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:36 am

Would the full name be some kind of wordplay or pun? Fan theories relevant? edit: or probably not seeing the post above
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:26 pm

Would the full name be some kind of wordplay or pun?No, but the whole situation is kind of "punny" in a yopish way (though don't focus on that--it will probably get you nowhere)
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:31 pm

Is the person's first name relevant? Last name? Occupation?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:06 pm

Is the person's first name relevant?Yes, but beware FA. Last name?Yes, but again beware FA. Occupation?FA--remember that this person doesn't exist!
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:04 pm

Is it part of a set expression used in everyday language (for some reason I am reminded of people using "H" as the middle initial of Jesus Christ's name--I have no idea where the H comes from, haha)?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:04 pm

Is it part of a set expression used in everyday language (for some reason I am reminded of people using "H" as the middle initial of Jesus Christ's name--I have no idea where the H comes from, haha)?Not an expression, no. But you are correct in that this "name" is relevant as a phrase, and in that sense this is the most OTRT question yet. And there is still a large FA that everyone up to this moment has been making.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:12 pm

Is the FA that the name refers to a person at all (real or unreal)? Is it in fact not a name? Does it look or sound like a name, but is instead something else? Is the "middle name" a single letter (e.g. an initial) or a full word? Is it not in fact a middle name but just a middle word of a phrase of some other type?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:29 am

Is the FA that the name refers to a person at all (real or unreal)?Yes Is it in fact not a name?Yes! Does it look or sound like a name, but is instead something else?Quite the opposite, in fact. Is the "middle name" a single letter (e.g. an initial) or a full word?A full word Is it not in fact a middle name but just a middle word of a phrase of some other type?Yes!
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:36 pm

Did you misinterpret the email address you were sending to, thinking that it was the name of a person when actually it was a personless/administrative email account? (Eg you sent an email to lilsuemasters@company.com, thinking you were sending to Lillian Sue Masters, but actually you were sending to the "Little Sue Masters" - a company who are masters of small suing litigation, and that was their main admin account?)
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:13 pm

Did you misinterpret the email address you were sending to, thinking that it was the name of a person when actually it was a personless/administrative email account? (Eg you sent an email to lilsuemasters@company.com, thinking you were sending to Lillian Sue Masters, but actually you were sending to the "Little Sue Masters" - a company who are masters of small suing litigation, and that was their main admin account?)No. I believe there may be a FA still lurking. It was certainly there when people assumed that the "name" did in fact look like a name, but I'm not sure it's gone.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:34 pm

Would you have got the same knowledge about the middle name if the email address you had used to communicate with was abc@def.com?

Did you send an email thinking you were sending to a person whose middle name you knew?

Did you receive an email from an email account that you thought was from a person whose middle name you knew?

Did you believe the person did exist? Or you knew he was fictitious when you communicated with him?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:11 pm

Would you have got the same knowledge about the middle name if the email address you had used to communicate with was abc@def.com?From the email address as given, definitely No. And there is a new FA here (not the one I was referring to above).

Did you send an email thinking you were sending to a person whose middle name you knew?No. I did think I was sending (and in fact DID send) the email to someone I knew, but I didn't know that person's middle name.

Did you receive an email from an email account that you thought was from a person whose middle name you knew?No. Receiving emails is irrelevant, only the one I sent.

Did you believe the person did exist?No Or you knew he was fictitious when you communicated with him?I can't answer since there are two closely linked FAs here, one of which was the one I mentioned in my last post (that I'm much surer is lurking after this question). The other is something you can correct by re-reading the puzzle statement more carefully. Going by what I think you meant to ask, though, the answer is Yes.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby psymann » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:12 pm

Did you send the one email to two addresses:
a) the person you know
b) an email address relating to a 'fictional person'

Did you want the person-you-know to think the email had been read by someone else? or to think that the fictional person was actually a real person?

Did you make up the fictional person yourself and therefore you know the middle name because you made it up?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:52 pm

Did you send the one email to two addresses:
a) the person you know
b) an email address relating to a 'fictional person' This is all correct, except the 'fictional person' did not have an email address at all.

Did you want the person-you-know to think the email had been read by someone else? or to think that the fictional person was actually a real person?No to both.

Did you make up the fictional person yourself and therefore you know the middle name because you made it up?I didn't make it up, but somehow I caused it to be created (I know that sounds awkward, but it's the only way I can really put it). So yes, I know the middle name because the "name" originated with me, in a sense.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:18 pm

Is Roy G. Biv relevant?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:49 am

Is Roy G. Biv relevant?Not in the slightest.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:17 am

Is the text of either of the two emails relevant? the subject lines? the actual e-mail addresses?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:14 pm

Is the text of either of the two emails relevant?FA and no. the subject lines?YES the actual e-mail addresses?Yes, insofar as the fictitious person HAD no email address (this clears one of the FAs, but not the main one).
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:24 pm

Hmmm...did you send the same e-mail to two different addresses? on accident? the one sent to the fictitious person bounced back as undeliverable because the person and address did not exist?

Was the subject line where the middle name originated from?

I think I'm getting myself tied up in FAs!
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:13 pm

Hmmm...did you send the same e-mail to two different addresses?Yes, or at least "tried" to. on accident?Yes! the one sent to the fictitious person bounced back as undeliverable because the person and address did not exist?Yes, exactly.

Was the subject line where the middle name originated from?Yes, the whole name, in fact...

I think I'm getting myself tied up in FAs!Well, you managed to untie the biggest one, which was that I did this on purpose (none of you ever said this explicitly, but this was clearly being assumed). I didn't want to say "a computer tried to send an email on my behalf" in the puzzle statement, first it would give too much away, and secondly I think it's quite unfair to blame the computer in this instance, because the mistake was entirely the fault of the user (a.k.a me :-))

Someone care to solve it now?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:05 pm

Allright, made good progress!

When the computer sent back the invalid e-mail, did it alter the subject line in any way? Mine sometimes does that.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:45 pm

Allright, made good progress!

When the computer sent back the invalid e-mail, did it alter the subject line in any way? Mine sometimes does that.No. I also don't think it actually came back--as I remember there was an error message in the email program as it was being sent.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:47 pm

Did the return email have "Re:" in the subject line?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:03 am

Did the return email have "Re:" in the subject line?Which return email? In any case, even though the email I sent may have been composed as a reply to a message I had received several days before (I don't remember, it's irrelevant), it didn't have "Re:" in the subject line.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:22 pm

Did the error message somehow alter the subject line?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:00 pm

Did the error message somehow alter the subject line?No. It's irrelevant what the consequence of the error message was (I just OKed it and realized immediately what had happened). The subject line was the "cause" of the error.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:36 pm

Did the subject line look like a name?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:18 pm

Did the subject line look like a name?Not at all, at least to a human. But why did a computer misinterpret it as such?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:50 pm

Relevant what computer you have? relevant what e-mail program you use?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:39 pm

Relevant what computer you have?No... it was a webmail app. relevant what e-mail program you use?Yes, though knowing it may or may not help you depending on whether you are aware of the relevant feature. Keep in mind, also, that user error on my part is very relevant.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:37 am

Were the words in the subject line formatted like a name?

Is the size of the type in the subject line relevant?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Acridian9 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:01 am

Was there a "@" in the subject line?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:49 pm

Were the words in the subject line formatted like a name?It's unclear what you mean here. Usually I think of formatting as fonts, bold/italic text, punctuation, etc., and in this sense, I am unsure what "formatted like a name" might mean. However, there IS a sense in which it could be said it was "formatted like a name".

Is the size of the type in the subject line relevant?No

Was there a "@" in the subject line?No

Hint: the content of the subject line is irrelevant, except for the number of words it contained. It was something quite mundane--you will never randomly guess it I'm sure, and don't need to. However, there was a mistake I made when typing the subject line, and that's the relevant part.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:36 pm

Sorry, I meant formatted as in it looking like "Fred G. Muggs" or somesuch.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:58 pm

Sorry, I meant formatted as in it looking like "Fred G. Muggs" or somesuch.
So, you mean with one word being abbreviated to an initial? No. It was three words long, though.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:03 pm

When typing the subject line did you err in adding something to it? leaving something out?

If you had not erred when typing the subject line, would this incident not have occurred at all?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:11 am

When typing the subject line did you err in adding something to it? leaving something out?Neither of these

If you had not erred when typing the subject line, would this incident not have occurred at all?Yes, everything would have happened the way I intended, with no error messages of any kind, and the email sent only to the intended recipient.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:07 pm

Was your error that you didn't use any spacing?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:55 am

Was your error that you didn't use any spacing?No
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:17 pm

Was your error that you used too much spacing?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:49 am

Was your error that you used too much spacing?No. Maybe I misled--in some sense I did make the mistake "while typing" the subject line, while in another sense I made it before typing the subject line (but after entering the email address of the intended recipient). In any case, the sequence of characters, spaces, etc. within the subject line was correct.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Acridian9 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:13 am

Is something added to the subject line automatically?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:00 pm

Is capitalization or lack thereof relevant?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:05 pm

Is something added to the subject line automatically?No. However, something WAS done automatically with the "subject line" as the message was being sent.

Is capitalization or lack thereof relevant?No, as I said the sequence of characters in the "subject line" was entirely correct.

By the way, the quotes are there to possibly dispel a FA, since I realize that while I'm completely truthful in saying that the sequence of keystrokes/characters was absolutely correct, calling them a subject line may strictly not be.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby GalFisk » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:55 am

Was something automatically truncated?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:55 pm

Was something automatically truncated?No. The only thing that happened "automatically" was that the software attempted to parse the "subject line" as a name. No changes were made to the text.

The answer is really simple--I'm sure a great deal of you have made this mistake at one time or another. What's "new" here is that rather than just give an error that relates to the actual mistake, the progam tried to overcome the mistake by "creating" a nonexistent person.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:48 pm

The program "created" a non-existent person, and gave the person a middle name?

Are you using Outlook?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:29 pm

The program "created" a non-existent personYes, and gave the person a middle name?No, in fact kind of the opposite--it ignored the "middle name", because of interpreting it as such.

Are you using Outlook?Yes, the Outlook web edition provided as part of Office 365 (hence the title). I'm guessing the desktop version of Outlook does a similar thing, though there's one small part of what it did that would be different (not really relevant).
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:48 pm

Capitalization relevant? Any type of formatting that Outlook recognizes as an instruction (like some sites take * to indicate you want a word bolded)?

Just to be clear: Are the fictitious person's first and last name words in your subject line? And the middle name would be the word between them, but Outlook omitted it?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:04 pm

Did you know the middle name because the first and last name that was created was familiar to you in some way?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:14 pm

Capitalization relevant?No Any type of formatting that Outlook recognizes as an instruction (like some sites take * to indicate you want a word bolded)?Not like this, no.

Just to be clear: Are the fictitious person's first and last name words in your subject line?All three of them were And the middle name would be the word between them, but Outlook omitted it?Yes, Outlook parsed the yesish subject line as a name and therefore considered the first and last words of the three-word phrase as a first and last name.

Did you know the middle name because the first and last name that was created was familiar to you in some way?No, I "knew" the "middle name" because I had typed it, as part of the yesish subject line. That's all I meant--that the person effectively had a middle name.

Hint: In addition to the recipient, the subject line, and the body, what other fields may an email have?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:19 pm

Is the From line relevant?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:50 pm

Is the From line relevant?No. What's left?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:15 pm

Is the CC line relevant?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:22 pm

Did you type something accidentally? Like accidentally put the subject in the CC or BCC line? Or accidentally Paste it there?
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby biograd » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:35 am

Is the CC line relevant?Yes

Did you type something accidentally? Like accidentally put the subject in the CC or BCC line?Yes! Or accidentally Paste it there?

My university uses Microsoft Office 365, which works OK enough to do the job, but is much glitchier than the other webmail programs I have used, often taking a few tries to load (particularly on mobile devices). However, the incident in this puzzle was entirely my own fault.

In an email to someone else in my lab, I accidentally typed the subject line, "More paper questions" (as in, more questions about a scientific paper I was reading) into the CC blank, most likely because I wasn't yet used to where things were in Office 365. In lieu of an actual email address, the web app tried to be helpful by attempting to parse the misplaced subject line as a person's name and looking it up in the university directory. So, right after sending I got an error message saying something along the lines of "Cannot find name 'More Questions'", with one of the colored bubbles that the program uses to represent parties to a conversation, containing the initials MQ. So somehow I had addressed that email knowing that if Mr. Questions had existed, his middle name would be "Paper".

I told you this was silly!
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby irishelk » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:06 pm

Haha, good one! I hadn't noticed this particular quirk of Office, I'll have to try it.
It seems to work a little better through Outlook than a web browser, but still quite glitchy, I agree.
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Re: [Biograd] All year round

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:01 pm

Whew, another tough puzzle solved! And yes, very silly. :)
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