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[JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:27 am

A young man (H/A/M) and young woman (H/A/F) are having dinner alone together and enjoying themselves immensely. In fact the woman has just hinted at marriage, but seconds later she flies into a sudden rage and attacks the man, to his great surprise. What's going on?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby Zanreo » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:03 am

Did the man say something? Do something? Did the woman suddenly realize something about him?
Relevant what the dinner is?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:13 am

Is she wrong to attack the man? Did she attack him because of something he said? Did? Implied? Ommitted? Does she attack him in order to: kill him? Hurt him? Get revenge? Get him to go away? Make him sad? Angry? Sorry? When she attacks him, does she no longer wish to marry him? Is the attack serious? Joking? Both? Does she expect them to become friends again afterwards? Relevant where they have dinner? Who made it? Who paid for it?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:28 am

Did the man say something? Do something? Did the woman suddenly realize something about him?
Relevant what the dinner is? No to all.

Is she wrong to attack the man? Arguably. Did she attack him because of something he said? Did? Implied? Omitted? No to all. Does she attack him in order to: kill him? Hurt him? Get revenge? Get him to go away? Make him sad? Angry? Sorry? None of these. When she attacks him, does she no longer wish to marry him? Correct. Is the attack serious? Joking? Both? Yope to this. Explore. Does she expect them to become friends again afterwards? No. Relevant where they have dinner? Yes. Who made it? Yes. Who paid for it? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby rcb » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:43 am

Are they having dinner inside? Outside? On a ship? Relevant in what country this takes place? Religion relevant? Time period?
Is there any other person relevant? More than just one?

Did she attack him verbally? Physically? If the latter: with her bare hands? Using a knife? A gun? Some other object?

Is the woman sane?

Did she realize something about the man by tasting the dish she was having? By looking at it?

Is his past relevant? Hers? Her profession? His? Her age? His?

Relevant what happened after the attack? Was he dead ? Hurt? Was she?

Did she make her scene in order to catch the attention of someone else? To prove to someone else that she is not a friend of the man? To protect the man?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:48 pm

Are they having dinner inside? This. Outside? On a ship? No. Relevant in what country this takes place? No, assume Ireland. Religion relevant? No. Time period? No, assume 19th Century.
Is there any other person relevant? Yes. More than just one? Yes, although for purposes of the puzzle they're interchangeable, and just one would work.
Did she attack him verbally? Physically? Both. If the latter: with her bare hands? Yes. Using a knife? A gun? Some other object? This.

Is the woman sane? Yes.

Did she realize something about the man by tasting the dish she was having? By looking at it? No to both.

Is his past relevant? Hers? No to both. Her profession? Yes. His? No. Her age? His? No to both.

Relevant what happened after the attack? Yes. Was he dead ? No. Hurt? Slightly. Was she? No.

Did she make her scene in order to catch the attention of someone else? No. To prove to someone else that she is not a friend of the man? This. To protect the man? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby Westing1992 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:24 pm

(Ireland in the 19th Century? Multiple third parties though only one would work? I'm guessing this is based on something.)

Did she cook the meal? Her servant? Did he? His servant? Are they at her house? His house?

Did she see someone out the window? Did someone enter? Was her hint of marriage serious in the first place?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:08 am

(Ireland in the 19th Century? Multiple third parties though only one would work? I'm guessing this is based on something.) Most of my puzzles are inspired by my love of military history and traditional folk music, which often go hand in hand. This one is inspired by a specific song, which means while I could be constrained by specific lyrics (and this one does have multiple third parties), it is possible to tell the story without some elements. Just today, in fact, I found a version of this song with an entirely different plot but the exact same outcome. It only includes one other character.

Did she cook the meal? Yes. Her servant? Did he? His servant? No to the others. Are they at her house? Yope. His house? No.

Did she see someone out the window? No. Did someone enter? Not at this precise moment, no. Was her hint of marriage serious in the first place? Irrelevant.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:55 am

PM sent.
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Postby Westing1992 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:17 pm

(Wow--I totally missed the title there.)

So, was the third party present? Was it her relatives? Friends? Employers? Coworkers?
Her profession: a teacher? Nun? Prostitute? Cook? Saleswoman?
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Postby Alhucema » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:22 pm

Is the third party a man? Her former fiancé?

Does the appearance of the third party trigger her attack?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:06 pm

So, was the third party present? Yope. Was it her relatives? Friends? Employers? This. Coworkers?
Her profession: a teacher? Nun? Prostitute? Cook? Assume this. Saleswoman?

Is the third party a man? Irr, assume yes. Her former fiancé? No.

Does the appearance of the third party trigger her attack? The first two are alone when it is triggered.
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Postby Alhucema » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:18 pm

Is the employer present only as a representation? Such as his portrait? His voice?

Did she steal from the employer? Did the employer have a romantic interest in her? Did she attack her companion for the employer to see?

Actually, DID the employer see her?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:09 pm

Is the employer present only as a representation? Such as his portrait? His voice? No to all.

Did she steal from the employer? Possibly. Did the employer have a romantic interest in her? No. Did she attack her companion for the employer to see? Yes.

Actually, DID the employer see her? Yes, but explore.
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Postby rcb » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:00 am

Was the man known to the employer? Was he part of employer's family?
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Postby Alhucema » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:25 am

Are they in an establishment belonging to the employer? Worth exploring?

Does she attack the man because she suddenly realizes something?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:52 pm

Are they in an establishment belonging to the employer? For svv of establishment. Worth exploring? Yes.

Does she attack the man because she suddenly realizes something? Yes.

Was the man known to the employer? Was he part of employer's family? No to both.
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Postby Alhucema » Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:33 pm

Can we call the woman Amy, the man she attacked Bill, and the employer Colin?

Does Amy at the moment when she attacks feel: anger? Disappointment? That she had been deceived?

Does she have that feeling (if any) towards Bill? Colin? Is the feeling the same towards both of them?

A short recap:

Amy cooks a meal.
She invites Bill to eat with her.
She wants Bill to marry her, and makes a slight hint of that during the meal.
Something happens which makes her suddenly change her mind,
She does not want to marry Bill anymore, and she attacks Bill.

So far correct?

The thing which changed her mind: is it something she sees? Hears? Realizes? If so, is it related to Bill? Colin? Something Bill/Colin did/said?

The reason why she does not want to marry Bill anymore: does she think that he would not be a good husband? That the marriage would be impossible? That it would be better to marry someone else?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:58 pm

Can we call the woman Amy, the man she attacked Bill, and the employer Colin? Sure.

Does Amy at the moment when she attacks feel: anger? Yes, but look out for FAs. Disappointment? No.That she had been deceived? No. Try some other emotions.

Does she have that feeling (if any) towards Bill? Anger to an extent, but look out for FAs. Colin? A different feeling. Is the feeling the same towards both of them?

A short recap:

Amy cooks a meal. Yes.
She invites Bill to eat with her. Yes.
She wants Bill to marry her, Yope, possibly irrelevant. and makes a slight hint of that during the meal. Yes.
Something happens which makes her suddenly change her mind, About marrying? No.
She does not want to marry Bill anymore , FA. and she attacks Bill. Yes.

So far correct?

The thing which changed her mind: is it something she sees? Hears? This. Realizes? If so, is it related to Bill? Colin? This. Something Bill/Colin did/said? Something Colin did.

The reason why she does not want to marry Bill anymore: does she think that he would not be a good husband? That the marriage would be impossible? That it would be better to marry someone else? None of these. There is an FA involved here.
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Postby Alhucema » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:23 pm

Is the FA related to the fact that Amy did not WANT to marry Bill?

Did he want to marry her? Did someone else want them to marry

Does she hear Colin? Does she see him? Is Colin physically present?

Is what Colin says relevant? Is it related to Amy? Bill? Colin? Money?

Are her feelings towards Colin positive? Negative?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:54 am

Is the FA related to the fact that Amy did not WANT to marry Bill? Yes.

Did he want to marry her? Irr. Did someone else want them to marry? No.

Does she hear Colin? Yes. Does she see him? No. Is Colin physically present? No.

Is what Colin says relevant? No. Is it related to Amy? Bill? Colin? Money?

Are her feelings towards Colin positive? Negative? Neutral, leaning toward negative at this moment.
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Postby Balin » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:02 pm

Is Amy at any point ever betrothed/engaged to Bill?
Are Colin's romantic feelings involved at all? Does he want to marry Amy? Is Amy trying to put him off the idea?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:55 pm

Is Amy at any point ever betrothed/engaged to Bill?
Are Colin's romantic feelings involved at all? Does he want to marry Amy? Is Amy trying to put him off the idea?

No to all. There is an FA involved here.
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Postby Alhucema » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:59 pm

Wait... is Colin alive?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:00 am

Wait... is Colin alive? Yes. That's not the FA.
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:02 am

Wait... is Colin alive? Yes, he is
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Postby peter365 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:28 am

LOL I do a more than passable version of this song when the mood takes me. PM Sent.
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Postby Alhucema » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:49 am

Does Amy hear Colin's voice through some device? A phone? TV? Radio?

Is his voice recorded? Or does he speak at the very moment she hears him?

Is it relevant about what he is talking? Or is it just his voice which is relevant?
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Postby rcb » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:36 pm

Was Colin outside the room? In the backyard maybe?
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Postby Alhucema » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:57 pm

Does Amy speak about HER marriage? Someone else's?

If she speaks about her own marriage, would it be to Bill? Colin? Someone else?

Is she related by blood to Bill? Colin?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:35 pm

Does Amy hear Colin's voice through some device? No. A phone? TV? Radio?

Is his voice recorded? Or does he speak at the very moment she hears him? No to both.

Is it relevant about what he is talking? Or is it just his voice which is relevant? FA.

Was Colin outside the room? Yes. In the backyard maybe? Assume yes.

Is she related by blood to Bill? Colin? No to both.
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Postby Alhucema » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:57 pm

Does Colin speak at all? Make a noise? Does he do something which is making a noise?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:58 am

Does Colin speak at all? No. Make a noise? No. Does he do something which is making a noise? Yes.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:42 am

Does Amy hear something that Colin is doing? Is he making noise WITH something? Did he shoot a gun?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:03 am

Does Amy hear something that Colin is doing? Yes. Is he making noise WITH something? Yes. Did he shoot a gun? No.
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Postby Alhucema » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:18 am

Does Amy know that the noise is made by Colin?

Does she immediately understand what that noise means?

Does Colin's activity affect her? Bill? Colin? If so, severely? Physically?

Does Colin start an engine?

Is he making the noise due to an activity related to his profession? Would this activity be considered ordinary (given the situation they are in)?
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Postby Balin » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:52 pm

I think you missed Alhucema's questions just before three answer sets up...

Is Colin intentionally making the noise? Does Colin know that Amy will hear the noise? That Bill will?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:45 pm

Does Amy speak about HER marriage? Someone else's? She speaks of a possible marriage between her and Bill.

If she speaks about her own marriage, would it be to Bill?This. Colin? Someone else?

Does Amy know that the noise is made by Colin? Yes.

Does she immediately understand what that noise means? Yes.

Does Colin's activity affect her? Yes. Bill? Yes. Colin? No. If so, severely? Yes. Physically? No, unless you count Amy's attack on Bill.

Does Colin start an engine? No.

Is he making the noise due to an activity related to his profession? No. Would this activity be considered ordinary (given the situation they are in)? Yes.

Is Colin intentionally making the noise? He doesn't have a choice. Does Colin know that Amy will hear the noise? Irr. That Bill will? No.
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Postby Balin » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:56 am

Does Bill also understand what the noise means?
Does Amy start the attack to try and distract Bill? From the noise? From Colin's presence?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:09 am

Is it the sound of Colin's footsteps?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:30 am

Does Bill also understand what the noise means? Yes.
Does Amy start the attack to try and distract Bill? From the noise? From Colin's presence? No to all.

Is it the sound of Colin's footsteps? No, but mildly relevant.
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Postby Alhucema » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:36 pm

Does Colin make the noise with an instrument? Any object? Just his body?

Is the noise loud? Repetitive?

Does it mean a change for Amy? Bill? If so, a change of place? Condition? Is it dangerous for Amy? Bill?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:01 pm

Does Colin make the noise with an instrument? Any object? Just his body? FA.

Is the noise loud? Loud enough to be heard where Amy and Bill are. Repetitive? Arguably.

Does it mean a change for Amy? Bill? If so, a change of place? Condition? Is it dangerous for Amy? Bill? Hard to answer; the answer to all of these depends very much on what Amy and/or Bill do next.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:57 am

Is it a sound made by his walking in some way? his moving? his breathing? Is it made by metal? a material Colin is wearing or something he is carrying or holding? Is the sound itself made by someone/thing else, but caused by Colin? (Like he stepped on a cat's tail and the cat screamed...)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:56 am

Is it a sound made by his walking in some way? his moving? Movement is involved. his breathing? Is it made by metal? Possibly, though another material is more likely. a material Colin is wearing or something he is carrying or holding? Is the sound itself made by someone/thing else, but caused by Colin? (Like he stepped on a cat's tail and the cat screamed...) The noise is made by something else; It's possible to argue that it is indirectly caused by Colin.

No to all others.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:44 am

Another material that probably made the sound: wood, glass, stone, leather, ceramic? Is it made by an object near Colin?
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Postby Alhucema » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:11 am

Does Colin produce that sound unintentionally? Is he conscious? Does he fall somewhere?

Was there a trap involved? If so, by Bill? Amy? Colin?
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Postby rcb » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:10 am

Is it an animal making the noise? Another human?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:46 pm

Another material that probably made the sound: Wood, This. glass, stone, leather, ceramic? Is it made by an object near Colin? For SVV of "near", yes.

Is it an animal making the noise? An animal is involved. Another human? No, though another may be assumed to be present.

Does Colin produce that sound unintentionally? Hint: He doesn't produce it. Is he conscious? Yes. Does he fall somewhere? No.

Was there a trap involved? Unintentionally at first, but yes. If so, by Bill? Amy? This. Colin?
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Postby Alhucema » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:42 pm

Is the animal a dog? A horse? If not, is it Bigger than a dog?

Does the animal fall somewhere? Run out of somewhere? Is it killed in the process?

Does Colin interact the animal?

Does Amy understand that something has thwarted her plans?

Anything supranatural involved?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:42 am

Is the animal a dog? A horse? This. If not, is it Bigger than a dog?

Does the animal fall somewhere? Run out of somewhere? Is it killed in the process? No to all.

Does Colin interact the animal? Irrelevant.

Does Amy understand that something has thwarted her plans? Yes.

Anything supranatural involved? No.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:00 am

Is the sound that of the horse's hooves? Its neigh or whinny?
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Postby Alhucema » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:54 pm

Does Colin ride the horse?

Is there something relevant about the horse other than its presence? Does its presence just indicate that Colin is around?

Did Amy have a plan? If so, was it to marry? Was the plan positive/negative (in moral terms)?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:47 am

Is the sound that of the horse's hooves? Its neigh or whinny? Technically, none of these, although if Colin were riding the horse they could be.

Does Colin ride the horse? No, although this could work.

Is there something relevant about the horse other than its presence? No. Does its presence just indicate that Colin is around? Yes, though if it were just the horse, it would not specifically indicate that Colin is the one riding. This IS actually relevant.

Did Amy have a plan? Irr, assume yes. If so, was it to marry? Assume yes. Was the plan positive/negative (in moral terms)? ... neutral, given that she did not necessarily intend to go through with it. If you assume she did intend to marry Bill, yes.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby Alhucema » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:44 pm

So the noise is made by the horse interacting with wood, right? Is there just one horse, or more?

Does it mean something is happening to the horse/Colin? Are Amy and Bill supposed to act somehow? To rescue someone?

Anything unusual about the place Amy and Bill are in? Is it in a village? In a town? A lonely farm? A pub?

Time when this happens relevant? Place?

If so, is it Wild West, 19th country? If not, (LTPF list of centuries/LTPF list of countries)?

Does what happened make Bill unmarriable ;) for Amy? If so, is it because it reveals some horrible truth? Such as that he is not rich enough? That he is her brother?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:49 pm

So the noise is made by the horse interacting with wood, right? ... not exactly. It's not walking on it, for example. Is there just one horse, or more? Assume one, though more are possible.

Does it mean something is happening to the horse/Colin? No, but they are doing something relevant. Are Amy and Bill supposed to act somehow? Amy would probably be expected to act. Bill wouldn't. To rescue someone? No.

Anything unusual about the place Amy and Bill are in? It's not a common place to live. Is it in a village? In a town? Assume this. A lonely farm? A pub? No.

Time when this happens relevant? Place? Mildly to both.

If so, is it Wild West, 19th country? If not, (LTPF list of centuries/LTPF list of countries)? Assume Dublin or environs, 19th century.

Does what happened make Bill unmarriagable ;) for Amy? Yes. If so, is it because it reveals some horrible truth? Such as that he is not rich enough? That he is her brother? No to all, though both of those can be found in folk songs.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby Alhucema » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:19 pm

Is it Colin who interacts with the wood? While riding the horse?

Is Amy expected to act because Colin is her employer?

Is Colin noble? Does he live in a palace?

Does Amy learn something relevant about herself? Bill? Colin?
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Postby Alhucema » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:32 pm

War involved? Religion? Are the characters enemies/supporters of different sides?

Is the wood a part of a drum?

Is Amy supposed to act by: doing something? Saying something? If so, to Bill? Colin?

Did she improve/worsen her situation by attacking Bill? Did she do it due to cold reasoning or was it rather emotional?

Is Colin's reaction relevant? If so, does it depend on what Amy is going to do? Bill?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:54 pm

War involved? Religion? Are the characters enemies/supporters of different sides? No to all.

Is the wood a part of a drum? No.

Is Amy supposed to act by: doing something? This. Saying something? If so, to Bill? Colin? This.

Did she improve/worsen her situation by attacking Bill? Improve. Did she do it due to cold reasoning or was it rather emotional? Both are possible, but given the genre it was probably the former.

Is Colin's reaction relevant? Yes. If so, does it depend on what Amy is going to do? This. Bill?

Is it Colin who interacts with the wood? No. While riding the horse? He's not riding.

Is Amy expected to act because Colin is her employer? Yes. You've just worked out an important relationship.

Is Colin noble? Unlikely, but he is higher-class. Does he live in a palace? No.

Does Amy learn something relevant about herself? Bill? Colin? Thisish.
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Postby Alhucema » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:55 pm

Is Amy supposed to act as a loyal employee? Protect Colin`s property?

Does she try to camouflage she was stealing from Colin?

Does the entire horse business mean just that Colin is returning home? Unexpected?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:28 am

Is Amy supposed to act as a loyal employee? Protect Colin`s property? Yes to both, though there's something less relevant also expected of her.

Does she try to camouflage she was stealing from Colin? Yesish, for SVV of stealing.

Does the entire horse business mean just that Colin is returning home? Unexpected? Yes to both. The fact that he isn't riding the horse, but riding in a cart or coach (hence the wooden wheels making the noise), is a hint that he is rich enough to have employees such as Amy.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:22 am

Is the nature of Amy's job relevant? Colin's position as her employer? Is Bill's profession/job relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:20 pm

Is the nature of Amy's job relevant? Mildly; assume cook or housemaid. Colin's position as her employer? Yes. Is Bill's profession/job relevant? No.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:34 pm

Is Colin of high social status? A noble? A rich landowner? A businessman? A merchant? A politician? A leader of some kind? Someone involved with the law (judge, lawyer, police officer, sheriff, etc.)?

Would Colin expect Amy to attack Bill? (Sorry if this was asked previously.) Would he want her to? Does Colin think that Bill is his enemy? Does Amy WANT Colin to think that Bill is his enemy? That Bill is a bad person in some way? That he was stealing from Colin? Causing some kind of harm to Colin?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:51 am

Is Colin of high social status? Relatively. A noble? A rich landowner? Assume this. A businessman? A merchant? A politician? A leader of some kind? Someone involved with the law (judge, lawyer, police officer, sheriff, etc.)? None of the others.

Would Colin expect Amy to attack Bill? (Sorry if this was asked previously.) No. Would he want her to? Irr. Does Colin think that Bill is his enemy? Yes. Does Amy WANT Colin to think that Bill is his enemy? Yes. That Bill is a bad person in some way? Yes. That he was stealing from Colin? Yes. Causing some kind of harm to Colin? For svv of harm.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:10 am

Was Amy trying to convince Colin of something? Trying to convince him that Bill was a thief? And so she was attacking him? Was Bill really a thief? Is Amy in cahoots with Bill? But is trying to convince Colin that's she not, and that she's fighting off the thief instead? Is Bill a known thief? A known criminal of some other type?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:53 pm

Was Amy trying to convince Colin of something? Yes. Trying to convince him that Bill was a thief? Yes. And so she was attacking him? Yes. Was Bill really a thief? No. Is Amy in cahoots with Bill? Yes, for svv of "cahoots." But is trying to convince Colin that's she not, and that she's fighting off the thief instead? Correct. Is Bill a known thief? A known criminal of some other type? No to both.

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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby Alhucema » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:31 pm

OK, I will give it a try (I am dying to learn what the song actually is - last time I learned your song about the lumberjack and was humming it for ages ;) )


So Amy profits of the fact that Colin, her rich master, is not at home. She helps herself to his food and drinks, and invites Bill over to wine and dine him and eventually have him propose to her. (Maybe she pretends SHE is the owner of the rich house).

All in a sudden, she hears the sound of a carriage, and guesses that Colin is returning earlier than planned. To camouflage her wrongdoing, she immediately attacks the unsuspecting Bill, to make Colin believe that she is faithfully defending his house and his possessions.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4: Was It Something I Said?

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:19 am

OK, I will give it a try (I am dying to learn what the song actually is - last time I learned your song about the lumberjack and was humming it for ages ;) ) Aww...

So Amy profits of the fact that Colin, her rich master, is not at home. She helps herself to his food and drinks, and invites Bill over to wine and dine him and eventually have him propose to her. Correct. (Maybe she pretends SHE is the owner of the rich house).

All in a sudden, she hears the sound of a carriage, and guesses that Colin is returning earlier than planned. To camouflage her wrongdoing, she immediately attacks the unsuspecting Bill, to make Colin believe that she is faithfully defending his house and his possessions. All correct, and



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This is from the Irish folk song Courtin' In the Kitchen. The relevant verses:


With my arms around her waist, she slyly hinted marriage
To the door in dreadful haste came Captain Kelly's carriage!
Her eyes soon filled with hate, and I saw she was wishin’
That I’d go straight to hell, or else far from the kitchen.

Chorus:

With me toora loora la, me toora loora laddy,
Me toora loora la, and me toora loora laddy

She leapt up off me knees, full five feet up or higher,
And over head and heels threw me slap into the fire
My new Repealer’s coat, that I bought from Mr. Mitchin
With a twenty-shilling note, went to blazes in the kitchen.

I grieved to see me duds, all smeared with soot and ashes,
When a tub of dirty suds, right in my face she dashes,
As I lay on the floor, and the water she kept pitchin’
The footman broke the door, and walked straight into the kitchen.

When the Captain came downstairs, sure, he saw the situation
In spite of all me prayers I was marched off to the station
For me they'd take no bail, tho' to get home I was itchin'
But I had to tell the tale how I came into the kitchen.

I said she did invite me, but she gave a flat denial
For assault she did indict me, and I was sent for trial.
She swore I robbed the house, in spite of all her screechin'
And I got six months hard, for me courtin' in the kitchen

The Clancy Brothers' version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpUboB7AKU

My version: https://youtu.be/aVt_lg92Npc

I have another puzzle inspired by one of the questions from this one coming up!
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4:Was It Something I Said?SO

Postby peter365 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:59 am

There are many excellent versions of 'Courtin'. It's a great for a singsong because the chorus is so easy for everybody to join in with which gives time for the main singer to remember the next verse. As I said i've done this on a good number of occasions and it's a real crowd pleaser.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Folksong Puzzle 4:Was It Something I Said?SO

Postby Alhucema » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:03 pm

Ah, poor boy!

Thanks for the puzzle. Now I have another tune to hum for some time!

Btw I liked your rendition of the song.
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Postby Balin » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:53 pm

I think I'd only heard this song once prior to this. Always like the folksong puzzles.
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