[Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

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[Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:29 pm

Since it was my birthday recently, how about a birthday-related puzzle?

I was glad my birthday didn't coincide with a significant date, but not for the usual reasons.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby irishelk » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:51 pm

Was the date a holiday? The anniversary of something? A particular day of the week? Does your birthday sometimes coincide with it and sometimes not? Election day? First day of autumn?

Did you not want to do something particular on your birthday? Did you not want to receive a particular present?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:10 pm

Was the date a holiday? Yes, most likely, but beware FA The anniversary of something? Could be A particular day of the week? No Does your birthday sometimes coincide with it and sometimes not? No Election day? Probably not First day of autumn? No

Did you not want to do something particular on your birthday? No Did you not want to receive a particular present? No

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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:11 pm

Are you glad that it doesn't coincide with any significant day at all?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:58 pm

Are you glad that it doesn't coincide with any significant day at all? Correct! And that's the FA sorted.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:08 pm

Was the gladness specific to this year? Do you feel the same gladness every year?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:50 pm

Was the gladness specific to this year? No Do you feel the same gladness every year? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Zanreo » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:05 am

Would "the usual reasons" be having to choose between your birthday and the holiday?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:27 am

Would "the usual reasons" be having to choose between your birthday and the holiday? Yes, and the common complaints of receiving two-in-one presents etc.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:04 am

Do you like to get attention on your birthday? Do you want to be free to celebrate it as much or as little as you wish?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby rcb » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:10 am

Happy belated birthday from me also!

You said it was not specific to this year, but not common to every year... Are there some years in which you are glad that your birthday does not coincide with a significant date, while there are some in which you don't care so much? Are there years in which your birthday _does_ coincide with such a date? Any significant date will do, or it is something related to politics? religion? some event in one of your acquaintances / friends' life?

Relevant how young :) did you become?

Did you do something relevant for your birthday? Something that you would have been unable to do if your birthday had coincided with a significant day?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:52 pm

Galfisk:

Do you like to get attention on your birthday? Yes, but irrel Do you want to be free to celebrate it as much or as little as you wish? Yes, but irrel

rcb:

Happy belated birthday from me also! Thank you!!

You said it was not specific to this year Yes..., but not common to every year... Correct. Are there some years in which you are glad that your birthday does not coincide with a significant date, while there are some in which you don't care so much? Yes... Are there years in which your birthday _does_ coincide with such a date? No Any significant date will do Yes, though most likely a well-known one, or it is something related to politics? religion? some event in one of your acquaintances / friends' life?

Relevant how young :) did you become? =) When? This year? No

Did you do something relevant for your birthday? No Something that you would have been unable to do if your birthday had coincided with a significant day? No

Note: There is a lurking FA that originated with Balin's questions and has now threaded its way through these questions too!
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:00 pm

Is the relevancy that it is the day you were born on? That it is in September? Near the end of the month? In early autumn? Is weather or temperature relevant?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:32 pm

Is the relevancy that it is the day you were born on? Yes That it is in September? Near the end of the month? In early autumn? Is weather or temperature relevant? Irrel to all the rest
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:17 pm

Was this a one-time-only gladness? Are you usually glad your birthday comes around? For any different reasons? For the same reason?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:13 pm

Was this a one-time-only gladness? Yope to noish Are you usually glad your birthday comes around? Yes For any different reasons? For the same reason? I'm taking this to mean, "Am I glad when my birthday comes around for the same reason that I was glad it didn't coincide with a significant date?" To which the answer is no.

I think there might be an FA...
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:10 pm

Is the "significant date" the same date every year?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:25 pm

Is the "significant date" the same date every year? There is no one significant date; I was simply glad that my birthday did not coincide with any significant date at all, eg Christmas, New Year's, Valentine's Day, etc etc.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:11 pm

Were you glad about it this year? Or some other past time?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:58 pm

Were you glad about it this year? No! Or some other past time? Correct
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:12 pm

Pesky FAs...

Relevant how old you were when you were glad? Before age 10? 10-20? 20s?
Were you glad once? More than once? At regular intervals?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:09 pm

Pesky FAs... All cleared up now!

Relevant how old you were when you were glad? Yes Before age 10? Around this, yes. 9 to 10 or so. 10-20? 20s?
Were you glad once? More than once? Yes At regular intervals? Not really regular.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:15 pm

Is any part of your birthday celebration relevant? Getting presents?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:16 pm

Is any part of your birthday celebration relevant? Getting presents? No to both
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:19 pm

Was your gladness related to a certain person or people?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:02 am

Was your gladness related to a certain person or people? Yes
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby rcb » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:26 am

The relevant person(s): One? More than one? Less than 10? Are they H? A? M? Are they: relatives? friends? co-workers? strangers?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:38 pm

The relevant person(s): One? More than one? Yes Less than 10? More Are they H? Yes A? No M? Both F and M Are they: relatives? friends? Yes co-workers? strangers?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby rcb » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:58 pm

Are the relevant people: children in a class? Less than 10 years old? 10-13? 14-18?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:34 pm

Are the relevant people: children in a class? Yes Less than 10 years old? 10-13? 14-18? 9 to 10ish
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:56 pm

Did other classmates have birthdays on the same day as you? Around the same day?
If not, were you glad because you got the celebration all to yourself? And didn't have to share it with anyone?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:56 pm

Did other classmates have birthdays on the same day as you? No Around the same day? No
If not, were you glad because you got the celebration all to yourself? And didn't have to share it with anyone? No to these
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:00 am

Dang, I thought that was it...

Is anyone else's birthday relevant?
Significant date: start of the school year?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:01 am

Dang, I thought that was it...

Is anyone else's birthday relevant? Yesish
Significant date: start of the school year? Possibly... the significant date could be any date at all, but more likely to be something like Christmas, Halloween, or something else celebratory.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:57 pm

Do other classmates have birthdays around that time? Does the class do anything special to celebrate birthdays?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:17 am

Do other classmates have birthdays around that time? Around which time? Do they have their birthdays around my birthday - irrel; do they have their birthdays on a significant date - yes, some of them. Does the class do anything special to celebrate birthdays? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:22 pm

Were you glad your birthdays were on school days? On free days?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:32 am

Were you glad your birthdays were on school days? On free days? No to both
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Tiger » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:12 pm

Is it relevant that significant days are marked on calendars?
Calendars relevant at all?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:31 pm

Is it relevant that significant days are marked on calendars? No
Calendars relevant at all? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:31 am

Did you attend the birthday parties of classmates? If so: parties on insignificant days? On significant days? We're you unable to attend a party on a significant day, because your family had made other plans for you?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:54 am

Did you attend the birthday parties of classmates? irrel If so: parties on insignificant days? On significant days? We're you unable to attend a party on a significant day, because your family had made other plans for you? Irrel to all
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:28 pm

Are birthday parties relevant at all?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:32 am

Are birthday parties relevant at all? Noish
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:02 am

Is any other form of celebration relevant?
Were you in a certain place when feeling glad? Was the gladness related to a specific place?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:39 pm

Is any other form of celebration relevant? Noish
Were you in a certain place when feeling glad? Yesish, but it wasn't just confined to that place. Was the gladness related to a specific place? Yesish I suppose
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Postby Balin » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:45 am

Was it an "ish" place? Somewhere in motion? A car or bus?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:02 pm

Was it an "ish" place? Yes - it's an actual geographical space, but you could also see it as a psychological space. Somewhere in motion? No A car or bus? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:15 pm

"Home"?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:37 pm

"Home"? No, but that's the right line of thinking
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:21 pm

School? Friend's home? At a social gathering? Alone? In public? On the road?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:33 am

School? Yes, this Friend's home? At a social gathering? Alone? In public? On the road?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:39 pm

Relevant how birthdays were observed at school? How significant dates were observed?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:53 pm

Relevant how birthdays were observed at school? No How significant dates were observed? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:06 am

Are any other dates of school relevant?
I've forgotten – have we established what the "significant date" is?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:28 am

Are any other dates of school relevant? No
I've forgotten – have we established what the "significant date" is? We have! There is no one significant date that is relevant, I was glad (for some reason that has to do with school / classmates), that my birthday did not coincide with any significant date (holidays and such) at all.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:02 pm

Hmm... is the location of your school relevant? Transport to school? A school bus?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:19 am

Hmm... is the location of your school relevant? Transport to school? A school bus? No to all
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:45 am

Is there someone else relevant whose birthday does coincide with a significant date?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:29 am

Is there someone else relevant whose birthday does coincide with a significant date? Yesish - some other classmates
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby irishelk » Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:43 pm

So, is it the case that you observed what occurs when a friend's birthday happens on a holiday, and you were glad this didn't occur with you?

Does it relate to the fact that birthdays are easier to remember when they coincide with holidays? Perhaps too many people/people they didn't know were wishing them a happy birthday? Were those people perhaps expected to have a certain relationship to the holiday? To like it? To know more about it than other students? Perhaps you were allowed to miss school on your birthday, but if it were on a holiday this privilege would be moot?

If your birthday were on a holiday/significant day, would it affect:
Your presents? Cards you received? People wishing you happy birthday? The way peers treated you? The way teachers treated you? Something that occurs during class? Homework? Lunch? Recess?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:34 pm

So, is it the case that you observed what occurs when a friend's birthday happens on a holiday, and you were glad this didn't occur with you? Correct. Watch out for a potential FA though.

Does it relate to the fact that birthdays are easier to remember when they coincide with holidays? No Perhaps too many people/people they didn't know were wishing them a happy birthday? No Were those people perhaps expected to have a certain relationship to the holiday? No To like it? No To know more about it than other students? No Perhaps you were allowed to miss school on your birthday, but if it were on a holiday this privilege would be moot? No

If your birthday were on a holiday/significant day, would it affect:
Your presents? No Cards you received? No People wishing you happy birthday? No The way peers treated you? Yope The way teachers treated you? No Something that occurs during class? Yes Homework? Yes, this is very relevant. Lunch? Possible Recess? Possible
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:47 pm

Did you not want to have homework on your birthday? Did you not want more homework than usual?
If your birthday coincided with a significant date (such as during a holiday break), would you have more homework than usual?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:42 am

Did you not want to have homework on your birthday? Irrel Did you not want more homework than usual? Irrel
If your birthday coincided with a significant date (such as during a holiday break), would you have more homework than usual? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:56 pm

Is homework relevant in general? Any specific homework? Homework for one particular class? One particular assignment?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Acridian9 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:09 pm

Are you using your birthday as an excuse? for not doing homeworks?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:35 pm

Matt:
Is homework relevant in general? Any specific homework? This Homework for one particular class? Yes One particular assignment? One particular type of assignment

Acridian:
Are you using your birthday as an excuse? for not doing homeworks? No to both
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:32 pm

Is the particular assignment long-term? Does it involve significant writing?
Particular class: is the subject of the class relevant? The class's teacher?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:46 pm

Is the particular assignment long-term? DOYD of long term Does it involve significant writing? Yes
Particular class: is the subject of the class relevant? Yesish The class's teacher? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:51 pm

Is the assignment an essay?
Is the assignment a group assignment? Done individually?
Subject: math(s)? History? Geography? English? Social studies? Science?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:02 pm

Is the assignment an essay? Yes!
Is the assignment a group assignment? Done individually? This
Subject: math(s)? History? Geography? English? Yes, or any language class would do really. Social studies? Science?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:07 pm

Relevant what you're to write an essay about? Do you write the essay in question? Do you particularly enjoy Writing essays? Dislike it? Relevant what you write about? Essays of others in your class relevant?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:31 pm

When I was in school, I hated essays and especially research papers.

Is writing about birthdays relevant? in class when it was someones birthday and a holiday, did they have to do more homework because of this? write two essays instead of just one?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:42 pm

Galfisk:

Relevant what you're to write an essay about? Yopeish Do you write the essay in question? Noish Do you particularly enjoy Writing essays? IrrelDislike it? Irrel Relevant what you write about? Noish Essays of others in your class relevant? Yes, very much so.

Grip:

When I was in school, I hated essays and especially research papers.

Is writing about birthdays relevant? Yes in class when it was someones birthday and a holiday, did they have to do more homework because of this? No write two essays instead of just one? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:48 pm

Were the other students essays read aloud?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:22 pm

Were the other students essays read aloud? Not necessarily aloud, but possible
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Postby Grip » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:44 pm

Were the students required to write about their birthday on their birthdays?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:24 pm

Were the students required to write about their birthday on their birthdays? No
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Postby Grip » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:09 pm

Were the other students essays shared with the class in one way or another?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby irishelk » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:59 pm

Were you required to write an essay about your birthdate, and if it were a significant day, the history of it would be much longer?

Are you glad because you are writing less? Because the writing is easier? Because you don't have to write at all? Or because the time frame for writing is different than for people with significant birthdates? Because you are avoiding teacher attention? Avoiding a particular frustration? Avoiding embarrassment? Parents relevant at all?

Did the students with significant birthdates have to do something, which you were glad you did not have to do? If so, did you witness them doing this in class? Or intuit that they had to do it at home? Is peer review/peer editing of the essays relevant?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:45 pm

Grip:
Were the other students essays shared with the class in one way or another? Yes

irishelk:

Were you required to write an essay about your birthdate No, and if it were a significant day, the history of it would be much longer? So, no

Are you glad because you are writing less? No Because the writing is easier? No Because you don't have to write at all? No Or because the time frame for writing is different than for people with significant birthdates? No Because you are avoiding teacher attention? No Avoiding a particular frustration? No Avoiding embarrassment? This is part of it Parents relevant at all? No

Did the students with significant birthdates have to do something, which you were glad you did not have to do? No If so, did you witness them doing this in class? Or intuit that they had to do it at home? They did not have to do anything. Is peer review/peer editing of the essays relevant? Not really. The only relevant aspect is that we did read each other's essays.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Acridian9 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:50 pm

You giving a party for your birthday relevant? inviting classmates? some but not all classmates?
Is the essay something like: what you did on the significant date?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:45 pm

You giving a party for your birthday relevant? No inviting classmates? some but not all classmates? So no to these
Is the essay something like: what you did on the significant date? Noish
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:52 pm

Was their some part of your birthday or holiday celebrations that you did not want to share?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:16 pm

Was their some part of your birthday or holiday celebrations that you did not want to share? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:16 pm

Did you experience the gladness when reading another classmate's essay?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:37 am

Did you experience the gladness when reading another classmate's essay? Yes
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:24 pm

Were their essays filled with lamentations that they had to share their birthday with another special event? and that made you feel real glad this would never be you?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:53 pm

Were their essays filled with lamentations that they had to share their birthday with another special event? No and that made you feel real glad this would never be you? So no
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:09 pm

Were the essays/the essays he to be twice as long when a birthday and another special day coincided?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:19 am

Were the essays/the essays have to be twice as long when a birthday and another special day coincided? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:59 pm

Would you experience the gladness when reading an essay from a classmate who did share his/her birthday with another special day? Who didn't share?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:22 pm

Would you experience the gladness when reading an essay from a classmate who did share his/her birthday with another special day? Who didn't share? This is more likely
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:56 pm

Are visits from family and/or friends relevant?

is traveling relevant?

Gladness = relief? joy?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:01 am

Are visits from family and/or friends relevant? No

is traveling relevant? No

Gladness = relief? Yes joy? Not so much this
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:09 am

Would other classmates' birthdays count as "special days"?
Did your birthday affect what grade (class) you were placed in? Relevant?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:11 am

Would other classmates' birthdays count as "special days"? No
Did your birthday affect what grade (class) you were placed in? No Relevant? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:03 pm

Is there some comparison being made by you between essays where the holidays and birthdays coincide and those where they don't?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:04 am

As you may have guessed from my short question lists, I still haven't got much of a clue...

Would classmates' essays talk about other events besides their birthdays if they were on a special day? i.e. a late December birthday essay might talk more about Christmas? And you were glad you didn't have that?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:33 am

Grip:
Is there some comparison being made by you between essays where the holidays and birthdays coincide and those where they don't? Not comparisons, no

Matt:
As you may have guessed from my short question lists, I still haven't got much of a clue... And I have most generously provided a clue below, highlight if you want it =)

Would classmates' essays talk about other events besides their birthdays if they were on a special day? i.e. a late December birthday essay might talk more about Christmas? And you were glad you didn't have that? No to these, also possible FA

Hint:
it would help to find out the genre of these essays.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:43 pm

Are these personal essays? Are they supposed to be written in a different style? Such as a historical style? A journal entry?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:16 pm

Are these personal essays? Are they supposed to be written in a different style? Such as a historical style? A journal entry? No to all
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:14 pm

Are the essays meant to be partially or mainly fictional in some way?

Is the fact that you were much younger then relevant? for instance, did you make a childlike mistake or assumption?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:49 pm

Are the essays meant to be partially or mainly fictional in some way? Yes, fictional. But...

Is the fact that you were much younger then relevant? Yope to yesish for instance, did you make a childlike mistake or assumption? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:56 pm

Fictional but based on real events?

Did you think that the essays were real?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:26 pm

Fictional but based on real events? Yope. Not really events

Did you think that the essays were real? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:08 pm

Are they supposed to be a fictional celebration of your birthday?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:41 pm

Are they supposed to be a fictional celebration of your birthday? No. Just think of them as generic creative writing assignments.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:35 pm

So the assignment is a type of story? Is the story supposed to be set on your birthday?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:31 am

So the assignment is a type of story? Yes Is the story supposed to be set on your birthday? No, but...
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:17 am

Is the story supposed to be set on another special day? Does the story involve birthdays at all?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:00 am

Is the story supposed to be set on another special day? Not necessarily Does the story involve birthdays at all? Not necessarily, but...
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:06 am

Is the length of the story relevant?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:10 am

Is the length of the story relevant? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:39 pm

Does the story involve some sort of celebration?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:09 pm

Does the story involve some sort of celebration? Yope/yesish

Bear in mind that there isn't just the one story, each student writes one of their own, and they have some freedom to be creative even within the given theme. (You don't need to know what the teacher-assigned theme was, just that it was a creative writing exercise.)
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:12 pm

Did certain students choose to write about their birthday? To write about some sort of celebration?
Did all the students whose birthdays did fall on or near another special date have a similar theme? Those whose birthdays did not?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:52 am

Did certain students choose to write about their birthday? No, but... To write about some sort of celebration? Yesish
Did all the students whose birthdays did fall on or near another special date have a similar theme? No Those whose birthdays did not? Not all of them, but you could say there was some sort of theme, yes.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:19 am

Were the essays supposed to be about something involving themselves? Another classmate? Someone else entirely?

Can you please recap?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:46 am

Were the essays supposed to be about something involving themselves? Another classmate? Someone else entirely? Could be any of these, but for now, focus on those stories about "another classmate".

Can you please recap? Certainly.

Recap:

When I was about 9 or 10, I was pleased that my birthday did not coincide with any other significant dates. This had to do with creative writing essays that we were assigned in school. For these assignments, we were usually given some sort of prompt or premise, but these were often quite vague or open-ended, which allowed us a great deal of freedom to write about whatever we wanted. The prompts themselves are of no importance to this puzzle (there were several, since there were several of these assignments); what is relevant is what (some) students decided to write about. Birthdays, celebrations, and other classmates are involved in these stories, but there is more to discover about them, and how they relate to my gladness about my birthday not coinciding with any significant date.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:03 pm

Were certain classmates more likely to write about their birthdays? Less likely? About other celebrations? Less likely?
Are any groups of classmates besides "birthday on/near significant date" and "birthday NOT on/near significant date" relevant?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:06 pm

Were certain classmates more likely to write about their birthdays? No, may be an FA here Less likely? About other celebrations? Yes Less likely?
Are any groups of classmates besides "birthday on/near significant date" and "birthday NOT on/near significant date" relevant? Yesish.. Well those two groups are mutually exclusive, so let's say another subgroup is relevant.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:02 pm

Group more likely to write about other celebrations: birthday near? Birthday not near? Other subgroup?
Does the other subgroup involve students whose birthdays were during/not during the school year? Whose birthdays were near each other?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:57 pm

Group more likely to write about other celebrations: birthday near? Birthday not near? This. Also, not "near", but "on". Other subgroup?
Does the other subgroup involve students whose birthdays were during/not during the school year? No Whose birthdays were near each other? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:59 pm

Just wanted to clarify that - students whose birthdays did not coincide with a significant date were more likely to be in the subgroup; they were more likely to have some sort of celebration occur in their stories.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:06 am

Celebration: for a certain occasion? Certain type of celebration? A party?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:42 am

Celebration: for a certain occasion? Certain type of celebration? A party? Could be any of these
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:22 pm

Size of the celebration relevant? Number of people at the celebration? Length of the celebration?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:31 pm

Do the essays sometimes have other classmates featured in them? Do they have to? If other classmates are featured, are they as celebrants? Were you happy to be included in someone else's story? Or happy not to be? Were you happy that you could include other students in your essay? Or that you didn't have to?

Would the celebrations, in the essays of the non-significant-birthday students, have anything to do with birthdays? Or with other significant dates? Would all the celebrations be of the same type?

Were you happy because you were able to write about a celebration? Which significant-date students were less likely to do?

Were significant-date students less likely to write about these celebrations because: they experienced them less? They didn't like them? It would be harder for them to write about it? They wouldn't want to? They wouldn't be allowed to? Because the non-significant-birthday students had a motivation to do so that the significant-date students lacked?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:22 pm

Matt:
Size of the celebration relevant? Number of people at the celebration? Length of the celebration? No to all

Irishelk:

Do the essays sometimes have other classmates featured in them? Yes Do they have to? No If other classmates are featured, are they as celebrants? Yesish Were you happy to be included in someone else's story? Usually no Or happy not to be? Yes! Were you happy that you could include other students in your essay? I didn't really care Or that you didn't have to? No one had to

Would the celebrations, in the essays of the non-significant-birthday students, have anything to do with birthdays? Yes Or with other significant dates? Also this Would all the celebrations be of the same type? Not necessarily

Were you happy because you were able to write about a celebration? No Which significant-date students were less likely to do? This is true, but not really the reason for my gladness.

Were significant-date students less likely to write about these celebrations because: they experienced them less? They didn't like them? It would be harder for them to write about it? They wouldn't want to? This is closest They wouldn't be allowed to? Because the non-significant-birthday students had a motivation to do so that the significant-date students lacked? Also this
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:06 pm

Would the celebrations in the significant-date essays be about more than one event? The non-significant-date essays?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:55 pm

Would the celebrations in the significant-date essays be about more than one event? The non-significant-date essays?

Does "significant-date essays" mean "essays written by students whose birthdays coincide with a significant date"?
This is getting to be a bit of a mouthful, so for clarity, I'm going to label them as follows:
Type A essays: essays written by students whose birthdays fall on a significant date
Type B essays: essays written by students whose birthdays do not fall on a significant date, and which could be about anything
Type C essays: essays written by students whose birthdays do not fall on a significant date, and which share a common theme.

We are not interested in Type A and Type B essays. Type C essays are the key to this puzzle. To answer the question above: celebrations (or lack of celebrations) in Type A and Type B essays are irrel. In Type C essays, the celebrations could be (and often are) about more than one event. Hope the labelling makes things clearer =)
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:22 am

Are type C essays always about celebrations? Is only one celebration relevant per essay? Are the essays about something that has happened? Will happen? Could happen?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:24 pm

Are type C essays always about celebrations? There is almost always a celebration involved Is only one celebration relevant per essay? Usually Are the essays about something that has happened? Yes! Not something that has happened in real life, but something that has happened in the story. Will happen? Could happen? And it could happen in real life, yes
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:06 pm

Do the experiences of the students affect the content of the essays? If your birthday coincided with a significant date you couldn't write a type C essay, correct? Is type C easier to write than others? More fun to write? Did you write any type C essays?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby irishelk » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:24 pm

Is it true to say that you were glad your birthday was not on a significant day because that meant you were unlikely to be featured in type C essays? Is this the reason-for-liking-your-non-significant-birthday that we are trying to discover?

If so, relevant why you did not want to be in their stories? Just because it's embarrassing? Because you would be poorly portrayed? Because you would have to do something additional if you were in the story? Like act it out? Because it would reveal some information about you?

Was it less likely for you to be in a type C essay because, if a student was writing about what they did on a holiday, they would likely mention any classmate that had a birthday on that date?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:42 am

Galfisk:

Do the experiences of the students affect the content of the essays? Yope, DOYD of "experiences". If your birthday coincided with a significant date you couldn't write a type C essay, correct? Not "couldn't", but you would be much less likely to. Is type C easier to write than others? No More fun to write? The writers of Type C essays certainly thought so. Did you write any type C essays? No

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Is it true to say that you were glad your birthday was not on a significant day because that meant you were unlikely to be featured in type C essays? Yes, very true! Is this the reason-for-liking-your-non-significant-birthday that we are trying to discover? Yes!

If so, relevant why you did not want to be in their stories? Yes Just because it's embarrassing? Yes, but there is more to it Because you would be poorly portrayed? Yope Because you would have to do something additional if you were in the story? No Like act it out? No Because it would reveal some information about you? No

Was it less likely for you to be in a type C essay because, if a student was writing about what they did on a holiday, they would likely mention any classmate that had a birthday on that date? Not this, no
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:12 pm

Would Type C essays be about other students' birthdays?
Is there anything about your birthday other than "non-significant date" that needs to be discovered?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:23 am

Would Type C essays be about other students' birthdays? Yes
Is there anything about your birthday other than "non-significant date" that needs to be discovered? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:34 pm

Would the Type C essays have focused more on the other students' birthdays than the birthdays of the students writing those essays? Did you feel that took away from the writers' birthday celebrations? Were you glad your birthday didn't take away from anyone else's like that?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:43 am

Would the Type C essays have focused more on the other students' birthdays than the birthdays of the students writing those essays? Definitely Did you feel that took away from the writers' birthday celebrations? No Were you glad your birthday didn't take away from anyone else's like that? No, I wasn't that sweet and magnanimous I'm afraid!
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:59 pm

Were you glad because you didn't have to write a Type C essay? So you could focus on your own birthday as opposed to someone else's?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:32 pm

Were you glad because you didn't have to write a Type C essay? No So you could focus on your own birthday as opposed to someone else's? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:59 am

Were you glad because others didn't write about you? You didn't write about yourself? You didn't write about others? Were those whose birthdays did fall on significant days: unhappy? Embarrassed? Annoyed? Teased? Bullied?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:01 pm

Were you glad because others didn't write about you? Correct You didn't write about yourself? No You didn't write about others? I did not, but that's not the reason for gladness Were those whose birthdays did fall on significant days: unhappy? Possibly Embarrassed? Yes, possibly Annoyed? Yes, possibly Teased? Yes Bullied? I wouldn't go that far, I think "teased" is about right.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:35 pm

Did the Type C essays mock the other students?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:09 pm

Did the Type C essays mock the other students? "Mock" isn't the right word, but there is something negative in the essays.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:26 am

Do the essays say something negative about their personalities? Birthday parties? Families? Habits? Future?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:05 am

Do the essays say something negative about their personalities? No Birthday parties? Noish, although something negative does happen at the parties... Families? No Habits? No Future? Yesish
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:34 pm

Did the Type C essays often reference the age of the birthday girl or boy? did they poke fun at the birthday child becoming "old?"
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:16 pm

Are you more happy just that you aren't in the C essays? Or that a certain negative thing doesn't happen at your party, which would then be included in the C essay?

When a C essay is written about a significant birthday student, does it end up being more about the holiday than the person? Does it complain about the student's birthdate? Maybe imply that the birthday is an inconvenience for other students? Does it include the student in a narrative about the holiday celebration? Or maybe the origin of the holiday?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:25 am

Are family gatherings relevant? Relatives?
Is food relevant? overeating? Getting sick? Getting fat?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:40 am

Grip:

Did the Type C essays often reference the age of the birthday girl or boy? No did they poke fun at the birthday child becoming "old?" No


Irishelk:
Are you more happy just that you aren't in the C essays? Yes Or that a certain negative thing doesn't happen at your party, which would then be included in the C essay? Nooo, but carry on this line of thinking!

When a C essay is written about a significant birthday student, does it end up being more about the holiday than the person? No Does it complain about the student's birthdate? No Maybe imply that the birthday is an inconvenience for other students? No Does it include the student in a narrative about the holiday celebration? Yesish, sometimes Or maybe the origin of the holiday? No

Lemoncurry:
Are family gatherings relevant? They are sometimes included in the story, but not always. Relatives? Same
Is food relevant? overeating? Getting sick? Getting fat? No to all
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:57 pm

Does a certain negative thing happen in the parties mentioned in type C essays? Does a negative thing happen to the classmates mentioned in these essays? Are the classmates ascribed negative traits in the essays? Negative thought? Actions? Motivations? Are the parties mentioned especially: big? Small? Lonely? Disorderly? Boring? Forgotten or overshadowed?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby irishelk » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:08 pm

Does a positive thing happen at your party that doesn't happen for significant-day birthdays?

Does a negative thing happen in the type-C essay, but not in real life? Does a positive thing happen in the type-C essay, but not in real life?

Are you laboring under a misconception/misunderstanding of any kind when you are glad your birthday does not fall on a significant date?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:13 am

Galfisk:
Does a certain negative thing happen in the parties mentioned in type C essays? Yes! Does a negative thing happen to the classmates mentioned in these essays? Yes (tiny ish) Are the classmates ascribed negative traits in the essays? Negative thought? Actions? Motivations? Are the parties mentioned especially: big? Small? Lonely? Disorderly? Boring? Forgotten or overshadowed? No to rest

Irishelk:
Does a positive thing happen at your party that doesn't happen for significant-day birthdays? No

Does a negative thing happen in the type-C essay, but not in real life? Correct Does a positive thing happen in the type-C essay, but not in real life? No

Are you laboring under a misconception/misunderstanding of any kind when you are glad your birthday does not fall on a significant date? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:12 pm

Is this negative thing a requirement for type C essays? Or just a consequence of the other requirements?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:08 pm

Is this negative thing a requirement for type C essays? Yes, depending on what you mean by "requirement". This negative thing is what defines a Type C essay (as categorised by me). Or just a consequence of the other requirements? Sort of, but again DOYD of 'requirement'.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:35 pm

The Type C essays share a certain theme--is this theme due to the assignment? Or does it come about because they are written by non-significant birthday people?

Does the theme involve holidays? Birthdays? Celebrations? The negative thing? Do Type C essays depict a certain birthday of the significant-birthday kid? The last one he or she had? The next one he or she will have?

Does the negative thing have anything to do with presents? Party guests? Food? Do significant-birthday kids tend to die in Type C essays?

Now I'm hearing Sam Elliott's voice drawling, "Well hullo there pardner, I'm the Significant Birthday Kid."
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:27 am

The Type C essays share a certain theme--is this theme due to the assignment? No Or does it come about because they are written by non-significant birthday people? Yesish, some of them have chosen to come up with this weird essay trope.

Does the theme involve holidays? Yes Birthdays? Yes Celebrations? Yes The negative thing? Yes, this is the defining aspect of the theme. Do Type C essays depict a certain birthday of the significant-birthday kid? Yes The last one he or she had? The next one he or she will have? Could be any, or not specified

Does the negative thing have anything to do with presents? Party guests? Food? No to all Do significant-birthday kids tend to die in Type C essays? YES

Now I'm hearing Sam Elliott's voice drawling, "Well hullo there pardner, I'm the Significant Birthday Kid."

Great work, now all that's left to find out is why the poor significant birthday kids always met with a sticky end in these essays!
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Postby irishelk » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:29 pm

Wow! Do the essay writers harbor any kind of dislike for the significant-bday kids? Resentment? Jealousy?

Does having the kid die solve a plot problem in the story? Is the writer trying to fulfill some requirement of the essay? Tie up all the loose ends? Does it have something to do with the age the kid attains in the story?

Is there a connection to another popular kid's story? For example, Harry Potter books, which often begin with a birthday and end with someone dying? Are they following the example of the first Type C essay that was written in class?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:36 pm

Wow! Do the essay writers harbor any kind of dislike for the significant-bday kids? Resentment? Jealousy? No to all

Does having the kid die solve a plot problem in the story? No Is the writer trying to fulfill some requirement of the essay? Kind of, though it is a self-imposed requirement, and not an actual requirement of the assigned essay Tie up all the loose ends? Not really Does it have something to do with the age the kid attains in the story? No

Is there a connection to another popular kid's story? No For example, Harry Potter books, which often begin with a birthday and end with someone dying? No Are they following the example of the first Type C essay that was written in class? I guess that's true. It was a trend, so it must have started somewhere.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:30 pm

Does the assignment require that someone die? That someone experience tragedy? Do the writers not want to have themselves experience that?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:31 am

Does the assignment require that someone die? No That someone experience tragedy? No Do the writers not want to have themselves experience that? Probably not
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:48 pm

Does the theme involve something good turning into something bad? Consequences?
Is the manner of the deaths relevant? Is it always the same or similar in some way?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:24 pm

Does the theme involve something good turning into something bad? No Consequences? In a way, yes, consequences of the death are relevant to this trope.
Is the manner of the deaths relevant? No Is it always the same or similar in some way? No
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:24 am

Does the death relevantly impact the writer (in-story)?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:43 pm

Does the death add significance to the already significant birthday in some way? Is the death caused by the significance of the birthday? Is there a requirement that the essay be educational in some way?

Does killing off a classmate make the type C essay: more relevant to the assignment? More impressive to the teacher? Or to classmates? Funnier? Might a type C essay with a student death get a better grade? Is it difficult to write a type C essay without a student death?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:01 pm

Does the death relevantly impact the writer (in-story)? No


Does the death add significance to the already significant birthday in some way? Yes! In some way. Is the death caused by the significance of the birthday? No...ish Is there a requirement that the essay be educational in some way? No

Does killing off a classmate make the type C essay: more relevant to the assignment? No More impressive to the teacher? Probably not Or to classmates? Some may have thought so Funnier? Some might have thought so Might a type C essay with a student death get a better grade? Probably not Is it difficult to write a type C essay without a student death? Given my definition of a Type C essay, it would be impossible; this death forms one of the defining features of a Type C essay.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:25 am

Is the death always by the same method? is it simply old age? is it grisly in any way? bizarre? silly?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:13 am

Wow, a lot to wade through!
Is this anything to do with sharing your date of death with your birthday, making for a nice symmetry on your gravestone?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:26 am

Grip:
Is the death always by the same method? No is it simply old age? is it grisly in any way? bizarre? silly? Could be any, irrel.


Lynne:
Wow, a lot to wade through!
Is this anything to do with sharing your date of death with your birthday, making for a nice symmetry on your gravestone? Yes!!! It has everything to do with that!
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Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:27 am

Edit: Well, not necessarily for the gravestone, but the symmetry, certainly.
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:27 pm

So the stories would be about dying on the same day as one's birthday? What more is left to determine?
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:26 am

So the stories would be about dying on the same day as one's birthday? Yes, and... What more is left to determine? Actually, not much at all, just an explicit connection to the puzzle question. But since this puzzle has gone on for a while now, I think it's time for a...

**************************SPOILER***************************

When I was a kid, a strange trend started taking off among my classmates. For creative writing assignments, students began to write stories that centered around death on a character's birthday, ending dramatically with, "The xth of x is a date we will always remember, for it was the date of his birth, but also, the date of his death..." or something similar. Apparently, this was such an enthralling storyline that it spread rapidly, and soon students began to take it further, giving their protagonists birthdays on Christmas, Valentine's Day, or some other significant date, so that their ending could be that much more poignant - "The 25th of December is a date that will forever be engraved on our hearts. It was Christmas, but also the date of Sally's birth, and now the date of Sally's death..." Of course, if you were unfortunate enough to actually have your birthday fall on a significant date, you would find yourself starring in many stories, all about your potential death!

Thank you everyone for sticking with this for so long, and hats off to Lynne for her big swoop!
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday {SOLVED}

Postby Balin » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:28 am

Wow, that was a haul!
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday {SOLVED}

Postby Grip » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:37 am

This puzzle almost lasted to your next birthday! :)
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Re: [Jumpingjack] 'Tis the Season for a Birthday {SOLVED}

Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:57 pm

Wow, that was a lucky swoop. i've been aware of the concept for a long time ever since someone said that we celebrate the anniversary of our birth day, but does a shiver run down our spine on the reversary, so to speak, of the day of our death?
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