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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:33 pm

"I wish I could accept your generous offer, but I'm afraid it would only get us both into trouble."
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Postby Westing1992 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:54 pm

Is the offer a service? Goods? Money?
Legal trouble? Financial? Trouble with the boss? A family member?
Are the two people (the offerer and the offeree) strangers? Friends? Romantically involved?
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:16 am

I: H? A? M?
We: two people?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:02 pm

Is the offer a service? This. Goods? Money?
Legal trouble? Possibly. Financial? No. Trouble with the boss? Possibly, for SVV of "boss". A family member? No.
Are the two people (the offerer and the offeree) strangers? This. Friends? Romantically involved? No.

I: H? A? M? Human Adult Female, but gender irrelevant.
We: two people? Yes.
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Postby Alhucema » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:25 pm

Conflict of interest relevant?
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Postby Alhucema » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:10 pm

Would the service assume giving you priority over someone? Would it be normally paid and the person offered it to you for free?

Would it save you time? Money?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:49 am

Conflict of interest relevant? No.

Would the service assume giving you priority over someone? No. Would it be normally paid and the person offered it to you for free? True, but irrelevant.

Would it save you time? Money? Neither, probably.
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Postby rcb » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:24 pm

Profession of the two relevant? Time period? Location? Are both people HAF? Is any other person relevant? Is the puzzle statement written? Spoken?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:39 pm

Profession of the two relevant? Yes, with an ish on one of them. Time period? Assume late 20th century. Location? Yes. Are both people HAF? The writer is HAF, the other is HAM. Is any other person relevant? An organization, mildly. Is the puzzle statement written? This. Spoken?
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Postby rcb » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:49 am

May we call the writer Betty and the other person Aaron?

For both Aaron & Betty: is his/her profession related to: media? politics? the military? medicine? science generally? arts? literature? public services?

Is any one of the two widely known? Is the organization? Is any of them employee of said organization?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:50 pm

May we call the writer Betty and the other person Aaron? Sure.

For both Aaron & Betty: is his/her profession related to: media? politics? the military? medicine? science generally? arts? literature? Hers. public services? Aaron's "profession" (for lack of a better word) is related to none of these.

Is any one of the two widely known? Betty is, within a fairly narrow subset of the population. Is the organization? In a general sense, yes. Is any of them employee of said organization? No.
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:36 am

Recap and hint: Betty, who works in the literary field, writes to Aaron, declining his services because she suspects they may both get into trouble if she accepts his offer. The organization (for lack of a better and possibly spoilery term) of which Aaron is a part is highly relevant. Their age and gender are irrelevant, save that both are adults, and they are strangers to each other.

Aaron is technically unemployed; his professional training, if any, is irrelevant.
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:08 pm

Better term for organization: team? Club? Gang? Town? County? Other geographical area? People with a common interest? Problem? Socioeconomic status?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:54 pm

Better term for organization: team? Club? Gang? Town? County? Other geographical area? State and national are possible modifiers, but are not the organization itself. People with a common interest? Problem? Arguably. Socioeconomic status? Mildly, for SVV of such.
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Postby biograd » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:24 pm

Is the organization a university? Is possible plagiarism involved? Did Aaron offer to contribute some written work that Betty could incorporate into one of her writings? but then it would look like she stole his piece of writing? or alternatively, that she wrote HIS piece for him?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:44 pm

Is the organization a university? Is possible plagiarism involved? Did Aaron offer to contribute some written work that Betty could incorporate into one of her writings? No, but explore. but then it would look like she stole his piece of writing? or alternatively, that she wrote HIS piece for him? No to all.
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Postby Westing1992 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:22 am

Is Aaron offering to freelance something? An adaptation of her work into some medium?
Is Aaron a volunteer for something? A governmental group? A charity?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:32 am

Is Aaron offering to freelance something? Yes. An adaptation of her work into some medium? But not this.
Is Aaron a volunteer for something? A governmental group? A charity? He's not doing this on anyone else's behalf.
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Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:04 pm

Would they get into trouble because:
- it would become apparent that they had been in contact with each other?
- it would become apparent that Aaron had given some information to someone else?
- a third party would be affected in some way?
- the content/meaning of some of Betty's writing would change?
- the phrasing/spelling/puncutation/grammar/etc of Betty's writing would change?

If I offered her the same service Aaron had offered her, would she refuse my service also? Would I even be able to offer the same service, if I was as skilled/proficient as Aaron in every way, but work, as I do, as a data analyst for a non-profit healthcare company?

Is there any tax implication of her accepting Aaron's service?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:17 pm

Would they get into trouble because:
- it would become apparent that they had been in contact with each other?
- it would become apparent that Aaron had given some information to someone else?
- a third party would be affected in some way?
- the content/meaning of some of Betty's writing would change?
- the phrasing/spelling/puncutation/grammar/etc of Betty's writing would change? None of these.

If I offered her the same service Aaron had offered her, would she refuse my service also? Probably not. Would I even be able to offer the same service, if I was as skilled/proficient as Aaron in every way, but work, as I do, as a data analyst for a non-profit healthcare company? Probably.

Is there any tax implication of her accepting Aaron's service? Irrelevant.
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Postby rcb » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:39 am

The organization: a party? a religious organization? a movement, loosely organized? ("Freedom for X"? KKK or the like?) Is Aaron paid by such organization? Or is he simply a follower? Does Betty know the association between Aaron and the organization? Does she refuse the help because Aaron is a member / follower of the organization?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:40 pm

The organization: a party? a religious organization? a movement, loosely organized? ("Freedom for X"? KKK or the like?) None of these. Is Aaron paid by such organization? Or is he simply a follower? Neither. Does Betty know the association between Aaron and the organization? Yes. Does she refuse the help because Aaron is a member / follower of the organization? His "involvement" with it is relevant, yes.
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Postby psymann » Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:58 am

Would Betty accept help from anyone else at Aaron's organisation? Would she accept help from Aaron if he worked in the same role at an unrelated organisation in a completely different industry sector.

Is Aaron offering to provide Betty with:
- feedback on her work?
- marketing/advertising of her work?
- publication/selling of her work?
- alteration/improvement of the content of her work?
- written input? illustrations?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:58 am

Would Betty accept help from anyone else at Aaron's organisation? Depends on their role. Would she accept help from Aaron if he worked in the same role at an unrelated organisation in a completely different industry sector. Several FAs in this question - for one thing, if he was in the same role it could not be in a different "industry."

Is Aaron offering to provide Betty with:
- feedback on her work? This.
- marketing/advertising of her work?
- publication/selling of her work?
- alteration/improvement of the content of her work? And this.
- written input? illustrations?
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Postby psymann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:54 am

Ah, ok, so Aaron's role is specific to a particular industry (like psychologist, racing driver, telephone engineer, wine taster) and not a generic one (like accountant, HR assistant, copy editor, graphic designer, analyst)?

Is the feedback he wants to provide that he recommends she alter/improve her work in the way he is offering? ie 'feedback on her work' and 'alteration/improvement of the content of her work' from the last question are essentially the same thing?
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Postby Westing1992 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:07 pm

Does Aaron offer to proofread her work? Edit it? Translate it?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:38 pm

Ah, ok, so Aaron's role is specific to a particular industry (like psychologist, racing driver, telephone engineer, wine taster) Correct, though I'm not sure "industry" is the right word. and not a generic one (like accountant, HR assistant, copy editor, graphic designer, analyst)?

Is the feedback he wants to provide that he recommends she alter/improve her work in the way he is offering? ie 'feedback on her work' and 'alteration/improvement of the content of her work' from the last question are essentially the same thing? Correct.

Does Aaron offer to proofread her work? This. Edit it? Translate it?
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Postby psymann » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:47 pm

Does Aaron do any proofreading in his actual job?

Does Betty turn down his offer because she thinks he'd do a bad job?

Would Betty get in trouble because she would have been associated with Aaron? or his 'organisation'?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:47 pm

Does Aaron do any proofreading in his actual job? No.

Does Betty turn down his offer because she thinks he'd do a bad job? No.

Would Betty get in trouble because she would have been associated with Aaron? Thisish. or his 'organisation'? Not this.
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Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:59 am

Did Aaron make his offer personally? through snail mail? e-mail? telephone? in person? is that even relevant?

would there have been accusations of impropriety of any kind if she accepted the offer?

are either A or B famous? are A and B friends?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:02 pm

Did Aaron make his offer personally? Yes. through snail mail? This. e-mail? telephone? in person? is that even relevant? Yes - Snail mail would have been his only possible option.

would there have been accusations of impropriety of any kind if she accepted the offer? Yes, though not in the sexual sense.

are either A or B famous? B is, within her fairly narrow field of expertise. are A and B friends? No.
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Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:19 pm

Are A and B enemies? casual acquaintances?

did A have ulterior motives in making his offer?

would the impropriety have been along legal lines? protocol lines? it would just look bad?
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Postby Westing1992 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:14 pm

Is Aaron in jail?
Is Betty writing a book about a certain subject? Crime?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:07 pm

Are A and B enemies? casual acquaintances? They've never met.

did A have ulterior motives in making his offer? No.

would the impropriety have been along legal lines? protocol lines? it would just look bad? This last, mostly.

Is Aaron in jail? Yes!
Is Betty writing a book about a certain subject? Crime? Yes to both.
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Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:47 pm

Is Betty writing a book about A? and/or what got him in jail?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:09 am

Is Betty writing a book about A? and/or what got him in jail? No to both.
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Postby Grip » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:09 am

Is her book about jails? being in jail?

is why A is in jail relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:00 pm

Is her book about jails? being in jail?

is why A is in jail relevant? No to all.
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Postby Grip » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:03 pm

Is her book a True Crime story? fictional? fictional but based on a true story?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:31 am

Is her book a True Crime story? fictional? This. fictional but based on a true story?
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Postby Grip » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:25 am

Did the jailbird offer to proofread more than one book?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:42 pm

Did the jailbird offer to proofread more than one book? He offered to proofread anything she sent him.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:45 pm

Did he offer to do this: to be nice? To gain something? To learn something? To better be able to escape? Or do some other bad thing?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:07 am

Did he offer to do this: to be nice? Primarily this, I expect. To gain something? To learn something? With maybe a little of this. To better be able to escape? Or do some other bad thing? None of the others - he had no ill intentions towards her or anyone else.
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Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:40 pm

Would the issue have been that she was getting help other writers of fiction wouldn't? and they would say she was an inferior writer?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:45 pm

Would the issue have been that she was getting help other writers of fiction wouldn't? and they would say she was an inferior writer? No. Remember they could both be in trouble.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:00 pm

Would they both be in trouble with the same authority? For the same reason? Would they need to do something not allowed in order to transfer the texts back and forth?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:26 pm

Would they both be in trouble with the same authority? Yes. For the same reason? Yes. Would they need to do something not allowed in order to transfer the texts back and forth? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:36 pm

Would they be in trouble with: police? Prison authorities? Tax authorities? Publishers? Relevant why he's in jail?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:07 pm

Would they be in trouble with: police? Prison authorities? This. Tax authorities? Publishers? Relevant why he's in jail? No.
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Postby Grip » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:30 pm

Would the prison authorities see the offer if accepted as some form of meddling? giving the prisoner something to do when he should be being punished?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:47 pm

Would the prison authorities see the offer if accepted as some form of meddling? No, with a slight ish. giving the prisoner something to do when he should be being punished? No.
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Postby psymann » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:17 pm

Was it permitted for prisoners to take possession of things such as documents-for-proofreading? Because if not, then presumably they'd have got in trouble for smuggling the things in and out of the prison for him to look at them and write notes (which would also need a pen which I'm guessing he might not be allowed)?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:26 am

Was it permitted for prisoners to take possession of things such as documents-for-proofreading? Yes, except... Because if not, then presumably they'd have got in trouble for smuggling the things in and out of the prison for him to look at them and write notes (which would also need a pen which I'm guessing he might not be allowed)? Assume he is permitted a pen and paper. No smuggling involved.
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Was the author concerned that the prison authorities might think that important information or plans to escape were being transferred between her and the con via the exchanges in the mail?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:14 pm

Was the author concerned that the prison authorities might think that important information or plans to escape were being transferred between her and the con via the exchanges in the mail? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:23 pm

Would they be in trouble: before transferring the writing to the prisoner? During the transfer? While the prisoner worked on it? During the transfer back? After the transfer but before publishing? During publishing? After publishing?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:52 pm

Would they be in trouble: before transferring the writing to the prisoner? During the transfer? This. While the prisoner worked on it? During the transfer back? After the transfer but before publishing? During publishing? After publishing?
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Postby psymann » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:52 pm

Was the content of Betty's work deemed inappropriate by the prison?
- because of the language it was written in?
- because it made reference to particular people?
- because it made reference to particular religions?
- because it made reference to particular behaviours?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:51 pm

Was the content of Betty's work deemed inappropriate by the prison? Yes!
- because of the language it was written in?
- because it made reference to particular people?
- because it made reference to particular religions?
- because it made reference to particular behaviours? This.
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Was the content of her work sometimes concerned with escaping prison?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:44 am

Was the content of her work sometimes concerned with escaping prison? No, but you have the right idea.
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Postby Grip » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:52 pm

Did the content of her work sometimes paint the treatment of prisoners in a bad light?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:48 pm

Did the content of her work sometimes paint the treatment of prisoners in a bad light? It's not about prisoners specifically, it's a more general thing. Hint: Look for the genre of her writing.
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Postby Grip » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:49 pm

She writes mystery stories? crime stories?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:50 pm

She writes mystery stories? crime stories? In context, both in one. Also dark fantasy and SF.
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Postby rcb » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:58 am

Could the censors think that, by this exchange: conditions in prison would be revealed to the public? means of escaping prisons? inmates would have incentives not to obey the guards? More generally, is it relevant what a reader would deduce from the text?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Inspired by rcb

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:48 pm

Could the censors think that, by this exchange: conditions in prison would be revealed to the public? means of escaping prisons? inmates would have incentives not to obey the guards? More generally, is it relevant what a reader would deduce from the text? No to all. Nothing will be learned from the text, but it would still be generally objectionable.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Inspired by rcb

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:57 pm

Would it be objectionable on the grounds its sympathetic to criminals sometimes?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Inspired by rcb

Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:45 pm

Is it considered improper reading for criminals?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Inspired by rcb

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:53 am

Would it be objectionable on the grounds its sympathetic to criminals sometimes? No.

Is it considered improper reading for criminals? This, basically.


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I once corresponded with fantasy author Tanya Huff, who is best known for her Blood Ties series about a vampire detective. Her books are gritty and dark, and I was surprised to receive one through interlibrary loan from a prison library. When I mentioned this, she responded that she once received an offer from a prisoner to proofread her books, but had to turn it down because the prison authorities would look askance at packets of violent reading material being sent directly to one of their inmates -- though they didn't mind the same material, once published, being available in the prison library.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Inspired by rcb (Solved)

Postby Grip » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:05 am

Interesting, I didn't even know prisons participated in interlibrary loans.
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