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[Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:50 am

I recently pretended that I had gotten in trouble for breaking the rules. As a result, I went out and bought myself a drink. Why?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby rcb » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:49 am

You went out and bought a drink as a result of pretending you got into trouble?

The rules: laws? company / institution policies? Moral / community rules?

Were the rules related to drinking? Relevant what type of drink did you buy?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:20 am

You went out and bought a drink as a result of pretending you got into trouble? Yes

The rules: laws? company / institution policies? This is closest Moral / community rules?

Were the rules related to drinking? No Relevant what type of drink did you buy? No
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:55 pm

Is it relevant where you bought the drink? At a bar? Restaurant? Store? Vending machine?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Tiger » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:24 pm

Did you have to go out and buy a drink to keep up the charade/pretense?
Did anyone observe you doing this?

Was the drink a reward for yourself?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:55 pm

Drink: alcoholic? Tasty? Thirst-quenching? Cool? Hot? Expensive?
Did you actually break any rules? Did you actually get in trouble?
If you hadn't pretended to get in trouble, would you:not want a drink? Not need a drink? Not afford a drink? Not have the opportunity to buy one? Or the money? Or the time?
Did you want to go out and buy yourself a drink? Did you drink the drink? If so: all of if? Immediately? Did you buy it in a can? Glass? Cup? Bottle? Bag? Drinking horn? Fountain? Tap? Bowl? Waterskin? Tube? Footwear?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:23 am

Is it relevant where you bought the drink? Not super relevant At a bar? But it was this Restaurant? Store? Vending machine?

Did you have to go out and buy a drink to keep up the charade/pretense? No
Did anyone observe you doing this? Buying the drink? Irrel, probably

Was the drink a reward for yourself? Yes, but for a specific reason...

Drink: alcoholic? yes Tasty? Yes Thirst-quenching? Probably Cool? Probably cold Hot? Expensive? Yes, somewhat.
Did you actually break any rules? Yes Did you actually get in trouble? Yope~
If you hadn't pretended to get in trouble, would you:not want a drink? I'd still probably want one Not need a drink? Not afford a drink? This Not have the opportunity to buy one? Or the money? Probably this Or the time?
Did you want to go out and buy yourself a drink? Yes Did you drink the drink? Yes If so: all of if? Yes Immediately? Did you buy it in a can? Glass? Cup? Bottle? Bag? Drinking horn? Fountain? Tap? Bowl? Waterskin? Tube? Footwear? All irrel, assume a regular glass in a bar
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby psymann » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:48 pm

Was there any betting involved?

Did you make your pretense to one other person? More than one?
Did you make your pretense verbally? written? phone?

Did you gain money from another person by your pretense? from a machine?

The rule (or rules?) you _pretended_ to break: laws? company / institution policies? moral / community rules?

The rule (or rules?) you _actually_ broke: laws? company / institution policies? moral / community rules?

Was the rule(s) you broke the same one you pretended to break?

Was your pretense discovered? did you own up?

If you hadn't felt thirsty and didn't enjoy drinks, but were hungry and loved chocolate, would you still have bought a drink? Or would you have bought chocolate instead?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Tiger » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:33 pm

Did you get paid/paid off for breaking a rule?
Are you a gangster/mobster?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:37 am

Was there any betting involved? No.

Did you make your pretense to one other person? More than one? This
Did you make your pretense verbally? written? This is closest phone?

Did you gain money from another person by your pretense? from a machine? Neither of these

The rule (or rules?) you _pretended_ to break: laws? company / institution policies? Yes moral / community rules?

The rule (or rules?) you _actually_ broke: laws? company / institution policies? Yes moral / community rules?

Was the rule(s) you broke the same one you pretended to break? Yes

Was your pretense discovered? No did you own up? No

If you hadn't felt thirsty and didn't enjoy drinks, but were hungry and loved chocolate, would you still have bought a drink? Or would you have bought chocolate instead? If I didn't enjoy drinks I would have bought chocolate instead.

Did you get paid/paid off for breaking a rule? No.

Are you a gangster/mobster? No, hehe.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby psymann » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:51 am

Would you have lost money you currently owned if you had not pretended about breaking a rule?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:59 am

Would you have lost money you currently owned if you had not pretended about breaking a rule? Yes, quite possibly.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Tiger » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:31 pm

Had you previously abstained from drinking?
Did you pretend to break a rule in order to avoid more serious repercussions?
Would buying yourself a drink corroborate some kind of story?

Is it relevant what happens after you have your drink?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby psymann » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:51 pm

Was it important that someone thought you broke a rule at a different time from the time you actually broke it? or a different place? or in a different way?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:11 pm

Had you previously abstained from drinking? Not relevantly
Did you pretend to break a rule in order to avoid more serious repercussions? Thisish
Would buying yourself a drink corroborate some kind of story? No

Is it relevant what happens after you have your drink? No

Was it important that someone thought you broke a rule at a different time from the time you actually broke it? This is closest or a different place? Yes or in a different way? No
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby psymann » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:20 pm

Did you pretend you had broken the rule earlier than you actually broke it? Or later?

Did you pretence cause some other person to get in trouble? Did they lose the money you would otherwise have lost?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:44 pm

Did you pretend you had broken the rule earlier than you actually broke it? Or later? Yes

Did you pretence cause some other person to get in trouble? Did they lose the money you would otherwise have lost? Neither of these
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Tiger » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:37 pm

Are you pretending it's some sort of celebratory day or occasion which may excuse you from breaking the rule?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby psymann » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:45 pm

If it had been known the exact time that you actually broke the rule, would you have been fined? had money stolen? have left money lying around and lost it? have damaged your money physically so it was no longer legal tender? lost money in some other way?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:56 pm

Are you pretending it's some sort of celebratory day or occasion which may excuse you from breaking the rule? No

Had you previously abstained from drinking? No
Did you pretend to break a rule in order to avoid more serious repercussions? No
Would buying yourself a drink corroborate some kind of story? No

Is it relevant what happens after you have your drink?No

I realize now I should probably re-emphasize my statement that I pretended to have gotten in trouble for breaking a rule, rather than I had pretended to have broken the rule.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:26 am

Hm. Did you pretend that supervisors (or higher-ranking members?) of your organization had reprimanded you? Docked your pay? Had ordered you to buy a drink?
Was the rule changed after you broke it? If so, did you claim to have broken it at a different time to avoid censure?
Is it a minor rule? A procedural one? One that could get you demoted or fired? Something typical and generally overlooked? Stealing office supplies? Teasing the boss? Dress code relevant? Did the rule have to do with drinking?
Is the organization a business? A volunteer organization? A nonprofit? Relevant?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:17 am

Hm. Did you pretend that supervisors not exactly (or higher-ranking members?) of your organization had reprimanded you? In a way Docked your pay? Had ordered you to buy a drink? Not these

Was the rule changed after you broke it? If so, did you claim to have broken it at a different time to avoid censure? Rule was always the same
Is it a minor rule? Fairly so A procedural one? One that could get you demoted or fired? No Something typical and generally overlooked? It's not always punished but that's usually when those breaking the rule don't get caught Stealing office supplies? Teasing the boss? Dress code relevant? Did the rule have to do with drinking? None of these
Is the organization a business? A volunteer organization? A nonprofit? Relevant? I'm not sure it is any of these...somewhere between a business and a governmental institution
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:22 pm

Was a drink the only "reward" you got from your ploy?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:43 pm

Was a drink the only "reward" you got from your ploy? No, I'd say it is the lesser of two rewards. But this rewards (so to speak) is a direct result of the other reward.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:22 pm

Were you trying to get some time off?

is the post office relevant?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:42 pm

Were you trying to get some time off? No

is the post office relevant? No

Hint: it is not relevant that I happen to work for the institution whose rule I broke.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Grip » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:08 pm

Was your bigger of the two rewards money? which you then used to buy the drink?

are raises relevant?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:04 am

Was your bigger of the two rewards money? Yes which you then used to buy the drink? Yes

are raises relevant? No.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:56 am

Were you given the money by your job? as recompense for "being reprimanded"?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:49 pm

Were you given the money by your job? as recompense for "being reprimanded"? no, I think there is an FA here
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:49 pm

Were you given the money at all? won it? borrowed it?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:10 pm

Were you given the money at all? won it? borrowed it? None of these; it is not so much that I gained money, but...
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:25 pm

Were you now able to spend more of your own money on things you wanted?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:03 am

Were you now able to spend more of your own money on things you wanted? Yes
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby psymann » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:13 pm

I think we'd already established that you didn't gain money, but avoided losing money, which is why you had money, which is why you bought a drink.

So the real question is why your pretending to get in trouble caused you not to lose money you'd otherwise have lost.

If you had not pretended, then you would have lost money?
- because of losing a bet? (I think you already said no to this)
- because of being fined?
- because you would have had money stolen?
- because you would have left money lying around and lost it?
- because you would have damaged your money physically so it was no longer legal tender?
- because you would have lost money in some other way?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:44 am

I think we'd already established that you didn't gain money, but avoided losing money, which is why you had money, which is why you bought a drink. Right. My drink was a present to myself for not having lost money.

So the real question is why your pretending to get in trouble caused you not to lose money you'd otherwise have lost. Yes.

If you had not pretended, then you would have lost money? It is very likely.
- because of losing a bet? (I think you already said no to this) Not a bet
- because of being fined? This!
- because you would have had money stolen? No
- because you would have left money lying around and lost it? No
- because you would have damaged your money physically so it was no longer legal tender? No
- because you would have lost money in some other way? No
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:38 pm

Did the pretending give you an alibi that helped you avoid the fine? by putting you someplace else?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:29 pm

Did the pretending give you an alibi that helped you avoid the fine? by putting you someplace else? No to these.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby psymann » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:55 pm

Did you pretend you'd been in trouble because by doing so you also pretended you'd already paid the fine? And couldn't/shouldn't be fined a second time?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:08 am

Did you pretend you'd been in trouble because by doing so you also pretended you'd already paid the fine? And couldn't/shouldn't be fined a second time? Yes to both.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby GalFisk » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:09 am

Did you park illegally and put a ticket on your car? Something along those lines?
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication

Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:25 am

Did you park illegally and put a ticket on your car? Something along those lines? Exactly that.

***SPOILERS***

I had gotten a ticket for unknowingly parking in the wrong parking lot on the campus of the university I study and work at. I left the ticket on the car and the next day went ahead and parked in the same place and never moved the ticket. After this, I was too wary of being caught so I paid the fine and figured out where I was actually supposed to park. I afforded myself a drink at the campus pub, rationalizing that now since I had only lost the money of ONE ticket instead of two, that I now deserved a beer (of course I just wanted a beer...did not really deserve one! ;) )


Thanks to all for playing!
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication (SOLVED)

Postby rcb » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:35 pm

I really enjoyed this one! Thanks.
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Re: [Twilightseeker] Self-implication (SOLVED)

Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:28 am

Thanks! :D
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