[WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

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[WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:01 am

The Prime Minister, acting in his professional capacity, makes an important announcement. Upon hearing this announcement, someone vandalises his car. The perpetrator is not sanctioned, and to this day, most people, regardless of their politics, applaud this action.

Explain.
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:11 am

Is it relevant what country this takes place in?
Prime Minister – of a country? Is the car in the same country?
"His" car = PM's car?
Perpetrator = H? A? M?
PM = H? A? M?
Car = actual physical vehicle?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:13 am

Is it relevant what country this takes place in? no (New Zealand, in case you would lose sleep otherwise)
Prime Minister – of a country? yes Is the car in the same country? yes
"His" car = PM's car? yes
Perpetrator = H? A? M? yes
PM = H? A? M? yes
Car = actual physical vehicle? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:22 am

Was the announcement related to cars? Ecology relevant?
Relevant what kind of car it was? How it was vandalized? Was the car running after the Vandalism? Had it to be repaired? Wrecked?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:36 am

Intent of the vandalism: anger the PM? Make the car dangerous? Unusable? Scrap? Make the PM use a different mode of transportation? Carpooling relevant? Pollution? Parking? Resource use? Public transportation? Did the PM applaud this action? Or at least understand the point?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:36 am

This one sounds vaguely familiar, but I don't recall the specifics.

Was the vandal invited to vandalize the car? Was humor the intent or result?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:16 pm

LemonCurry

Was the announcement related to cars? no Ecology relevant? no
Relevant what kind of car it was? no How it was vandalized? yes Was the car running after the Vandalism? no, it was disabled in some way Had it to be repaired? yesish Wrecked? no

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Intent of the vandalism: anger the PM? Make the car dangerous? Unusable? this Scrap? Make the PM use a different mode of transportation? yes Carpooling relevant? yope Pollution? Parking? Resource use? Public transportation? no to rest Did the PM applaud this action? no (admittedly, he never applauded much other than himself) Or at least understand the point? yes

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Was the vandal invited to vandalize the car? no, this was a spur-of-the-moment decision Was humor the intent or result? no
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby biograd » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:50 pm

Did the perpetrator know that harm would likely befall the PM if he were to drive somewhere that day? If so, is it now clear in hindsight that the PM would have been harmed (or even killed) had he driven the car?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:55 pm

Did the perpetrator know that harm would likely befall the PM if he were to drive somewhere that day? yes If so, is it now clear in hindsight that the PM would have [most likely] been harmed (or even killed) had he driven the car? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Tiger » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:11 pm

So he vandalized the PM's car in order to save his life?
Because if he had driven, he could have been hurt or killed?

Did the "announcement" make the perpetrator realize that the PM might in in danger?
Of a road accident? A bomb?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:16 pm

o he vandalized the PM's car in order to save his life? yes
Because if he had driven, he could have been hurt or killed? and yes

Did the "announcement" make the perpetrator realize that the PM might in in danger? yes
Of a road accident? yes A bomb? no
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Westing1992 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:44 pm

Did this happen a while ago? Before the advent of some safety feature (seatbelts, airbags, windshields...)?
Are horses relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:04 am

Did this happen a while ago? In 1984 Before the advent of some safety feature (seatbelts, airbags, windshields...)? not relevantly
Are horses relevant? nay
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:16 am

Was the PM drunk? Otherwise unfit to drive? Was the car unsafe to drive? Was there a problem with the car before the vandalism? Road conditions relevant? Weather? Traffic? If the PM had died, would anyone else be to blame?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby peter365 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:39 am

Is what was announced relevant ? or more how it was announced? Had the vandal a medical background ? Did the PM display some symptom of an impending health issue like a heart attack or stroke, and the vandal spotted it?

Would the PM have driven the car or was it an official car with a driver?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:53 pm

Would the PM still likely have died if he'd driven a different car? a bicycle?

If someone else had got in the PM's car at that time, and driven the same route the PM was going to drive, would he have most likely died too for the same reason?

Did the vandal know the route the PM was going to drive?

Was the PM likely to die from a road-traffic accident?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:15 pm

GalFisk

Was the PM drunk? Very much so Otherwise unfit to drive? Was the car unsafe to drive? no Was there a problem with the car before the vandalism? no Road conditions relevant? Weather? Traffic? no to the rest If the PM had died, would anyone else be to blame? It's unlikely anyone else would be legally culpable, although certain others may feel morally responsible (including, presumably, the perpetrator)

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Is what was announced relevant ? Yes, this had a relevant bearing on the perpetrator's actions, over and above concern for the PM's safety or more how it was announced? this is also relevant Had the vandal a medical background ? not relevantly Did the PM display some symptom of an impending health issue like a heart attack or stroke, and the vandal spotted it? no

Would the PM have driven the car this or was it an official car with a driver?

Psymann

Would the PM still likely have died if he'd driven a different car? Yes, provided it wasn't similarly vandalised a bicycle? less likely

If someone else had got in the PM's car at that time, and driven the same route the PM was going to drive, would he have most likely died too for the same reason? no (assuming you refer to the car pre-vandalism)

Did the vandal know the route the PM was going to drive? irrelevant

Was the PM likely to die from a road-traffic accident? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Tiger » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:36 pm

I don't suppose the important announcement is, "I am hammered and I'm going to go drive my car now" ?

Is the exact method in which the car was vandalized relevant?
Or just that it was disabled?
Were the brakes cut? Tires slashed?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:41 pm

I don't suppose the important announcement is, "I am hammered and I'm going to go drive my car now" ? No, that more or less spoke for itself. Remember that this announcement was made in his professional capacity.

Is the exact method in which the car was vandalized relevant? no
Or just that it was disabled? yes
Were the brakes cut? Tires slashed? this
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Tiger » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:24 pm

Did the perpetrator know the PM personally?
Someone who worked for him? Someone who he worked for? With?
Family? Friend? Lover?

Did he give this announcement in front of an audience?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:30 pm

Did the perpetrator know the PM personally? yes
Someone who worked for him? Someone who he worked for? With? this
Family? Friend? Lover? no to these

Did he give this announcement in front of an audience? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:20 am

Was the announcement about drunk driving? About drinking? About driving? About traffic?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:26 am

Was the announcement about drunk driving? About drinking? About driving? About traffic? no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:15 am

Was the announcement about safety? Crime prevention? Right of self defence?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Tiger » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:33 am

Does the PM have a "tell" that he's drunk, which the tire-slasher noticed?
Do the PM and perpetrator have some sort of agreement about a code word that would indicate trouble or drunkenness?
Does the PM want to drive?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby rcb » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:00 am

Did the PM announce that he is going to personally inspect some part of the country / town? Natural disasters relevant?

Given the security associated with such persons, was it relevant that the perpetrator had access to the PM's car? His current (at the time) job position? Was he a political rival? Are elections relevant?

Was the perpetrator concerned about the safety of others (such as unsuspecting drivers who might encounter the PM in traffic)?

Was it unusual to see the PM drunk?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby psymann » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:48 am

Did the vandal expect the PM to die because he was going to drink and drive? Just that? That and something else?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:58 pm

LemonCurry

Was the announcement about safety? Crime prevention? Right of self defence? no to these

Tiger

Does the PM have a "tell" that he's drunk, which the tire-slasher noticed? Not sure I understand the question - there was no signal or pre-arranged understanding; the PM's drunken state was identified in much the same way anyone would recognise anyone's being drunk
Do the PM and perpetrator have some sort of agreement about a code word that would indicate trouble or drunkenness? no
Does the PM want to drive? yes

Rcb

Did the PM announce that he is going to personally inspect some part of the country / town? no Natural disasters relevant? no

Given the security associated with such persons, was it relevant that the perpetrator had access to the PM's car? No (security was pretty lax in 1980s New Zealand. It's still a bit laissez-faire in 2016, to be honest) His current (at the time) job position? yes Was he a political rival? no Are elections relevant? big yes

Was the perpetrator concerned about the safety of others (such as unsuspecting drivers who might encounter the PM in traffic)? Yes (but strictly secondarily to the PM)

Was it unusual to see the PM drunk?

Psymann

Did the vandal expect the PM to die because he was going to drink and drive? yes Just that? yes That and something else?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby Acridian9 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:47 pm

Was the PM drunk when he made the announcement? If not, did he get drunk before? to find he courage to speak? or after? to forget the announcement? or to celebrate?
Relevant how he got drunk? or why?
Did he resign? Did he announce new elections?
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:36 pm

Was the PM drunk when he made the announcement? yes If not, did he get drunk before? he had been drinking for some time beforehand to find he courage to speak? no or after? no to forget the announcement? no, although he might have wanted to or to celebrate? certainly not this
Relevant how he got drunk? no or why? yesish - it ties in to the context of the announcement
Did he resign? no Did he announce new elections? yes!

I think that's close enough.

***** SPOILER *****

In 1984, New Zealand's Prime Minister and Finance Minister, Rob Muldoon (hence the puzzle title) was faced with increasing pressure, economic uncertainty, and a strong opposition with a charismatic leader. This drove him to a) drink heavily, and b) call a snap election while drunk, in the hope of catching his opposition off-guard and under-prepared.

A senior member of his party, deciding that it would not be in the party's interest to enter an ill-conceived snap election with a dead PM, slashed the PM's tires so he would not drive home drunk. Knowing the PM's extraordinary bloody-mindedness, he reasoned that no amount of persuasion could keep Muldoon from getting into the driver's seat himself.

Despite its suddenness, the election was conducted with great skill, and had a record turnout. Unfortunately for Muldoon, his party suffered a rousing defeat at the hands of Labour, led by David Lange (the very same man who features in this puzzle: http://www.lateralpuzzles.com/discus/me ... 1384607866).


Congratulations Acridian for the solution, and to GalFisk for the key question of 'Was he drunk?', and a big thank you to everyone for playing.
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Re: [WiZ] Cambrian Park: The most unsuccessful prequel [SOLV

Postby peter365 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:48 am

Nice one WiZ . I remember the other puzzle too.
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