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[psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:10 pm

I started a new job last week. On my first day, I got told off by my new boss. Why do I feel justified in blaming it on Harold's poor driving?


Edit: You can now start mid-way through at the recap/checkpoint:
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Tiger » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:30 pm

Is Harold your:
Family?
Co-worker?
Friend?
Roommate?
Stranger?
Other?

Did you carpool with Harold? Get a free ride from him? Pay him for a ride? Not ride in a car with Harold at all?
Did Harold cause you to be late to work? If yes, directly?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:44 pm

Is Harold your:
Family? No
Co-worker? Yes
Friend? No
Roommate? No
Stranger? Yes, in as much as I didn't know him before I started working at this new job
Other? No

Did you carpool with Harold? No
Get a free ride from him? No
Pay him for a ride? No
Not ride in a car with Harold at all? Correct
Did Harold cause you to be late to work? No If yes, directly?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:50 pm

Did the Boss tell youoff for tardiness? appearance? attitude? behaviour? work quality?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:54 pm

Did the Boss tell you off for tardiness? No
appearance? No
attitude? No
behaviour? Yope
work quality? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:21 pm

Welcome back.

Did Harold drive poorly on the way to work? Does he habitually drive poorly? Is parking relevant? Has there been some relevant consequence of poor driving (demerit points, license cancellation, fines, arousing the ire of other motorists/coworkers/etc)?

Is Harold's position in the company relevant? Is yours?

Do you expect this to happen again?

Does Harold also get in trouble?

Is there some particular aspect of your job that made this scenario happen (or particularly likely to happen)?

Oh, and congratulations on your new job.
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:33 pm

Had you seen Harold driving a vehicle that day? Or had you made an assumption about him driving?
Did Harold say anything to you before your confrontation with the boss?
Did another co-worker say something to you?
Was the boss unhappy with you? Had you violated a workplace policy?
Is the nature of your job relevant? Do you interact with customers? If so, in person? By phone? Over internet? Another way?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:53 am

WiZ:

Welcome back.
Thanks! Been a while - last time I was here, it was on the old site (well, the old-ish site, I think there was an older one before that too). Is there still a link back to the puzzles from that somewhere?


Did Harold drive poorly on the way to work? No
Does he habitually drive poorly? Yes
Is parking relevant? Yes
Has there been some relevant consequence of poor driving (demerit points, license cancellation, fines, arousing the ire of other motorists/coworkers/etc)? No - other of course than me getting told off, which was very relevant!

Is Harold's position in the company relevant? Noish
Is yours? Yes

Do you expect this to happen again? No (if 'this'means me getting told off). Yes (if 'this' means Harold's poor driving).

Does Harold also get in trouble? No

Is there some particular aspect of your job that made this scenario happen (or particularly likely to happen)? No

Oh, and congratulations on your new job.
Thanks - actually on my third new job since I last ventured in to LTPF and have moved house three times and country once since then as well ;-)
Although just for clarification, this puzzle is not actually 'me' - it is me roleplaying... this is not a true story, just a could-be-true-for-someone story based on real-life potential.



CoffeeBean:

Had you seen Harold driving a vehicle that day? No
Or had you made an assumption about him driving? No
Did Harold say anything to you before your confrontation with the boss? No
Did another co-worker say something to you? No
Was the boss unhappy with you? Yes, a bit
Had you violated a workplace policy? Yes

Is the nature of your job relevant? Yes
Do you interact with customers? No If so, in person? By phone? Over internet? Another way?

[and now I really am going out for coffee, only partly influenced by your username!]
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby rcb » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:16 am

Relation between you and Harold: is he actually your boss? Conversely, are you his supervisor? Are you supposed to replace Harold?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:24 pm

Relation between you and Harold: is he actually your boss? No
Conversely, are you his supervisor? No
Are you supposed to replace Harold? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Tiger » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:30 pm

Hi Psymann,
A link to the previous forum can be found here.

Are you being blamed for something Harold did?
Or something you were supposed to prevent Harold from doing?

Did Harold park in a reserved spot?
Or park poorly?
Taking up more than one spot?
Parking in the wrong orientation?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:46 pm

Hi Psymann,
A link to the previous forum can be found here.
Hi! And thanks - that looks familiar and I can see a couple of my first puzzles back in 2007 :-D


Are you being blamed for something Harold did? No
Or something you were supposed to prevent Harold from doing? No

Did Harold park in a reserved spot? No
Or park poorly? Yes
Taking up more than one spot? No
Parking in the wrong orientation? Yes(ish) DOYD of 'orientation'
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:27 pm

Did Harold block something with his car?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Balin » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:35 pm

Is your own parking relevant?
Parking in a parking lot? Parking garage? Somewhere else?

You can also access the old forum by clicking the "Archived puzzles" line on the right of the page.
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:50 pm

Is your own parking relevant? Yes

Parking in a parking lot? Yes Parking garage? Somewhere else?


You can also access the old forum by clicking the "Archived puzzles" line on the right of the page.
Ooh, so I can! Thanks :-)
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:13 pm

Did Harold block something with his car? Yes
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:00 pm

Were you told off for your parking? Or for something else?
Was Harold blocking a way? A door? Were you supposed to walk through the blocked way/door?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:16 am

Did Harold block your car? Your car door? Your parking spot?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:55 am

LemonCurry:

Were you told off for your parking? Yes
Or for something else? No

Was Harold blocking a way? No
A door? No
Were you supposed to walk through the blocked way/door?


Balin:

Did Harold block your car? No
Your car door? No
Your parking spot? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:07 am

Did your boss mistake Harold's car for your own?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:53 pm

Did your boss mistake Harold's car for your own? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:13 pm

Did your boss tell you off for parking badly? For parking where you weren't supposed to?
Is your boss's parking relevant?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:07 pm

Did your boss tell you off for parking badly? 'Badly' only in as much as...
For parking where you weren't supposed to? ...this is correct.

Is your boss's parking relevant? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:16 pm

Did you know where you were supposed to park? Did you park elsewhere in order to: block something? Protect your car? Or yourself? Did you see Harold drive?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:54 am

Did you know where you were supposed to park? No
Did you park elsewhere in order to: block something? Protect your car? Or yourself?

Did you see Harold drive? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:27 am

Did Harold block a sign? Which would have told you where you were supposed to park? Where you were not supposed to park?
Was Harold's car gone when the boss saw your car parking wrongly?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:40 pm

Did Harold block a sign? Yes/Yope
Which would have told you where you were supposed to park? No
Where you were not supposed to park? Yope

Was Harold's car gone when the boss saw your car parking wrongly? Yes
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:47 pm

Did Harold break a sign? Was Harold's car there when you parked wrongly?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:50 pm

Did Harold break a sign? No
Was Harold's car there when you parked wrongly? Yes
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:25 pm

Was Harold's car moving? Was it parked? Was it badly parked? Was it parked where you wanted to park? Where you weren't allowed to park? Did it make it seem that it was okay to park where it wasn't? Did Harold have trouble parking? Paralell parking relevant? How come paralell parking isn't called serial parking, anyway?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:10 am

Assuming for all these you mean "At the time when I parked..."
Was Harold's car moving? No
Was it parked? Yes
Was it badly parked? Yes
Was it parked where you wanted to park? No
Where you weren't allowed to park? Yope

Did it make it seem that it was okay to park where it wasn't? Yes! (with a bit of the same Yope as above)

Did Harold have trouble parking? I would suppose so - otherwise he would have parked better. Or perhaps he's just a lazy sod ;-)

Paralell parking relevant? No
How come paralell parking isn't called serial parking, anyway? Because before reversing into the spot, you have to drive up and pause parallel to another car, before reversing behind it, and then you end up parallel to the curb. Another question is why parking in a normal car park isn't called perpendicular parking. In case it helps you picture the situation, in this story, we were perpendicular parking ;-)
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Balin » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:07 pm

Was Harold's car parked across more than one spot? Was yours?
Does the parking area in question even have designated parking spaces?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:48 pm

Was Harold's car parked across more than one spot? No
Was yours? No

Does the parking area in question even have designated parking spaces? It does, yes
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:49 am

Was Harold's car fully in a parking space? Was yours? Was either car on the border of two parking spots? Was either car parked at the end of a row?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:11 am

Was Harold's car fully in a parking space? No

Was yours? Yes

Was either car on the border of two parking spots? No

Was either car parked at the end of a row? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:23 am

Was the space where you were parking meant to be for someone else? For customers? A coworker? Employees of another company?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Twilightseeker » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:30 am

Was Harold's car not fully pulled into the parking spot? Was its rear sticking out?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:07 am

LemonCurry:

Was the space where you were parking meant to be for someone else? Not particularly; and actually I was yopishly allowed to park in it myself.
For customers? Yope
A coworker? Yope
Employees of another company? Yope
(same Yope for all four questions)


Twilightseeker:

Was Harold's car not fully pulled into the parking spot? Correct
Was its rear sticking out? Yes
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:26 am

Did you also park with the rear sticking out? Did you also park badly? Did you assume that Harold parked correctly, and parked just like him?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:45 am

Were you allowed to park there only for a short time? Were you supposed to buy a ticket?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:23 am

GalFisk:

Did you also park with the rear sticking out? No; I am a conscientious citizen who parks carefully in the space, correctly aligning car with markings.

Did you also park badly? When I had finished parking, anyone would have told you it was perfectly parked. Even my boss would have agreed it was faultless.

Did you assume that Harold parked correctly, and parked just like him? No. I mean, you might think after finding out the solution to this puzzle that I'm a bit of a dimwit, but even I can see that if there are car-shaped spaces marked out in a car-park, then the intention is that you park a car in those car-shaped spaces. Quite how Harold couldn't come to the same conclusion, I can't fathom. I was sure I'd parked much better than Harold.


LemonCurry:

Were you allowed to park there only for a short time? Correct

Were you supposed to buy a ticket? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:03 am

Was there information on the wall about the maximum parking time? Was Harold blocking the view to this information with his rear?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:34 am

Was there information on the wall about the maximum parking time? Not on the wall

Was Harold blocking the view to this information with his rear? And his rear (well, his car's rear!) was partly blocking the information - a fairly small part of it.


*****Well done - you're at a semi-spoiler checkpoint...!*****

...because I'm guessing it's at this point in the puzzle that it feels mostly solved and not obvious where to go next, so time for a recap since we're kind of now at the part-spoiler at the end of Chapter One. You have correctly ascertained the following:

I started a new job last week. On my first day, I got told off by my new boss because of my parking. My error was that I had parked in a space with a limited parking time, and had stayed too long. There's some information in the car park explaining the parking rules, and Harold - by parking his car badly - had obscured a small part of that information, which is why I blame him for this predicament.


So now you deserve Chapter Two:

I noticed the part of the information in the car park that was visible, that Harold hadn't blocked. But I was completely convinced that I had parked in the perfect spot. So why was I so sure I was in the right spot, such that I don't take any of the blame myself, but just blame Harold?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:57 pm

Did the visible part of the sign make a reasonable parking sign by itself? Did the car block an exception to a visible rule?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:23 pm

Did the visible part of the sign make a reasonable parking sign by itself? Yes

Did the car block an exception to a visible rule? No
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:30 pm

Did the car block words that formed a negation (e.g. 'Don't', 'No' etc.)?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:39 pm

Did the car block words that formed a negation (e.g. 'Don't', 'No' etc.)? No, and it did not cause me to read the message to be the exact opposite of its real message, but rather to be a different message which happened to make the car parking spaces look more suitable for me than was actually the case.
There's also a slight FA in the question although makes no difference to that answer.
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:46 pm

Was the invisible part at the bottom? left side? right side?
Was the invisible part part of a word? one word? more words? a sentence? a paragraph?
Or no text at all? an image?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:19 pm

Was the invisible part at the bottom? No
left side? Yes
right side? No

I can kind of answer this next one two ways depending on how I punctuate your question; I'll be helpful and answer it in both:

Was the invisible part:
part of a word? No
one word? Yope
more words? No
a sentence? No
a paragraph? No
Or no text at all? The other half of the same Yope
an image? No

Was the invisible part part of:
a word? No
one word? No
more words? Yes
a sentence? No
a paragraph? No
Or no text at all? No
an image? No

And yes, that covers the 'FA' from WiZ's question.
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:01 pm

So the message in question was over several lines? And the car blocked the first couple of letters of each line? and the remaining text formed a reasonable message of his own?
Did you think that the parking spot was perfect for particularly you? for employees of your company? for People with a car like yours? for anyone?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:42 pm

So the message in question was over several lines? No, one line only

And the car blocked the first couple of letters of each line? Same 'Yope' as previously about what was blocked, or perhaps you could call it a minor FA

and the remaining text formed a reasonable message of his own? Correct

Did you think that the parking spot was perfect for particularly you? Me and...
for employees of your company? ...a small number of employees of my company

for People with a car like yours? No
for anyone? No

Good questions :-)
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:59 pm

Did the blocked part include a number? Both a number and letters?
Did it say "1 HOUR PARKING" but you read "OUR PARKING"?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:23 pm

Did the blocked part include a number? Yes
Both a number and letters? No

Did it say "1 Yes (well, actually 2) HOUR No PARKING Yes" but you read "OUR PARKING"? Very nearly.

You're missing one bit that WiZ asked about ages ago that got forgotten:

Is Harold's position in the company relevant? Noish
Is yours? Yes
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:43 pm

2 minute parking? 2 day? 2 some other word for a specific length of time?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:18 pm

2 minute parking? No
2 day? No
2 some other word for a specific length of time? Yesish, yes
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:34 pm

Is it abbreviated? 2 Hrs Parking?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:30 am

Is it abbreviated? Yes
2 Hrs Parking? You are one character out from the message
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:35 am

2 Hr Parking?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:57 am

Do you work in Human Resources? Some other department named "HR"?
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Re: [psymann] Not fair!

Postby psymann » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:41 pm

Balin:

2 Hr Parking? Yes


GalFisk:

Do you work in Human Resources? Yes Some other department named "HR"?


***************Spoiler***************

I started a new job as an HR assistant. When I arrived at work at 8am, I saw some parking bays with "HR PARKING" written across them. So I parked in one, just to the right of a big black 4x4.

Some time around 11am, my boss came in and gave me a gentle telling-off for having left my car for three hours in a two-hour parking spot.

Harold was the owner of the 4x4, and had parked it half-in-the-space, half-sticking-out-of-the-back-of-the-space when he'd arrived at work at 7am. What I hadn't realised was that he'd parked over the top of part of the writing. If he'd parked accurately in the space, I'd have read that it said "2 HR PARKING", but Harold's car was covering up the "2". At 0830, he left work to go to a customer meeting, correctly parking for less than 2 hours, leaving me to be the only one seemingly at fault. For which I blame Harold.


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The story is untrue - I don't work in HR really.
But the situation is true enough - I do frequently wait at a bus stop near a small business, and one of the first times I stood waiting for the bus, I looked at the car park. There was one large 4x4 parked on the left, and then five more spaces marked as "HR PARKING". I thought it odd to give HR staff such priviledged parking, but then the bus arrived and I thought nothing of it... until the following day when the other car wasn't parked there, and I realised what it really said.
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