[CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

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[CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:32 pm

My next Room Escape puzzle is ready but I'll wait until Balin's is solved to post it. In the meantime...


If Rhett had been standing in the parking lot alone, he might not have seen Joe fly.

This is another event involving my friends from my teenage years (the same Joe who played Epoch Man and whose father was the target of ridicule by the guy with the large birthmark on his arm, both of which are dealt with in archived puzzles here). I wasn't there to experience this, but it still makes me laugh when I think about it.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:46 pm

Did Joe literally fly? if so, was he in a plane? helicopter? chair tied to a bunch of balloons?

are model airplanes relevant?

When R saw Joe fly and was not alone, was he with other people? few people? many? animals?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:06 pm

Did Joe literally fly? Well...yes, he did
if so, was he in a plane? helicopter? chair tied to a bunch of balloons? He wasn't in any of these (but good wager about the chair and balloons)

are model airplanes relevant? No

When R saw Joe fly and was not alone, was he with other people? Yes few people? many? animals? He was with 5 or 6 other people
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Zanreo » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:08 pm

Would Rhett not have seen Joe from where he was standing? Did someone else point it out to him?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:13 pm

Would Rhett not have seen Joe from where he was standing? No, he would have been able to see Joe clearly even if he had been by himself.

Did someone else point it out to him? Someone else did point something out in a way, but not the fact that Joe was flying.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:13 pm

Was the parking lot relatively full? Empty?
Would he have not seen Joe while he was in the parking lot? Did he see Joe from the parking lot?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:15 pm

Was the parking lot relatively full? Empty? It was mostly empty - good question
Would he have not seen Joe while he was in the parking lot? Can you re-word this?
Did he see Joe from the parking lot? Yes, he did
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:18 pm

Rewording: if he had been alone, would his view of Joe have been obstructed? Would he have looked for Joe at all?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:25 pm

Rewording: if he had been alone, would his view of Joe have been obstructed? No - good q
Would he have looked for Joe at all? Very hard to say because of another situation that existed when this happened. It's a good question, and the best way to answer is to say that Rhett would have seen Joe in any case, but the fact that he wasn't alone is related to the situation which resulted in Joe's flying.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:32 pm

Was Joe launched in the air by something?

were there any cars in parking lot? if so, relevant?

was it day? or night? time of day relevant?

did joe enjoy his flight?

peanuts relevant? :)
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:24 pm

Was Joe launched in the air by something?
Yes
were there any cars in parking lot? if so, relevant? Very few cars, and its relevant

was it day? or night? time of day relevant?
It was night, also relevant

did joe enjoy his flight?
No, not so much

peanuts relevant? :)
Not in the puzzle
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:45 pm

Are fireworks relevant?
Joe = H? A? M?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:01 am

Did Joe land? If so: hard? Softly? Did he want to fly? Intend to fly? Did he fly with a vehicle? From a vehicle? Did he fall? Jump? Did he fly for more than one second? Five? Ten?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:06 am

Was Joe shot from a canon? Flung from a trebuchet? Thrown by another person? Did he "fly" threw the air due to his actions (i.e. he was doing something, such as skateboarding, and flung himself through the air because of an accident)? Did anyone MEAN for Joe to fly? Did Joe? Was Joe injured? Alive? Okay? Mad? Irritated? In Pain?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:41 am

Was Joe launched from the parking lot itself? if not, nearby?

did J fly higher than 10 ft?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:43 pm

Are fireworks relevant? No
Joe = H? A? M? Joe is HM, and was 17 when this took place

Did Joe land? Yes If so: hard? Softly? Somewhat hard, I'd say
Did he want to fly? Intend to fly? No to both of these
Did he fly with a vehicle? Yes From a vehicle? No
Did he fall? Jump? Neither Did he fly for more than one second? Five? Ten? Probably one second at most

Was Joe shot from a canon? Flung from a trebuchet? Thrown by another person? None of these
Did he "fly" threw the air due to his actions (i.e. he was doing something, such as skateboarding, and flung himself through the air because of an accident)? Yes, he did something that caused him to fly through the air
Did anyone MEAN for Joe to fly? No Did Joe? No Was Joe injured? Not really, no Alive? Yes Okay? Temporarily stunned, maybe, but other than that he was fine Mad? At himself, maybe Irritated? Could have been (but he wouldn't have told anyone)
In Pain? Very little, if any

Was Joe launched from the parking lot itself? In a way, yes If not, nearby?

did J fly higher than 10 ft? No, that would have been as high as he got, if that high
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:48 pm

Was Joe in a car when he flew? a truck? boat?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:49 pm

Was Joe in a car when he flew? Yesa truck? boat?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:50 pm

On a bicycle? Rollerskates? Skateboard? Motor vehicle? Did he fly upwards? Forwards? Sideways? Downwards? Did his vehicle malfunction? Hit something he didn't intend?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:55 pm

On a bicycle? Rollerskates? Skateboard? Motor vehicle? <--- This (see last set of questions)
Did he fly upwards? Briefly, yes, and...Forwards?...this too. Sideways? Downwards? Not these
Did his vehicle malfunction? No Hit something he didn't intend? Yes
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:25 pm

Did he hit a bump? Curb? Jump? Ramp? Did he hit an object that wasn't supposed to be there? Was the car damaged?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:28 pm

Did he hit a bump? Yes...Curb?...this.
Jump? Ramp? No
Did he hit an object that wasn't supposed to be there? It was supposed to be there Was the car damaged? Not relevant
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:13 pm

So, Joe hit a curb and went flying, anything else we need to know about that aspect?

if R had been alone, would he have missed J flying because he would be distracted somehow?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:17 pm

So, Joe hit a curb and went flying, anything else we need to know about that aspect? Not really, that explains how and why Joe flew

if R had been alone, would he have missed J flying because he would be distracted somehow? No, the reason that he would have missed it has more to do with Joe than with Rhett
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:54 pm

Would Rhett's view have been blocked by Joe's car?
Was Joe ejected from the car? Or did the car also fly?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:29 pm

Would Rhett's view have been blocked by Joe's car? No (try another approach)
Was Joe ejected from the car? Or did the car also fly? Joe and the car both flew, he was in the car
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:25 pm

Was R in the parking lot waiting for something? getting back in the car?

was the lot for a store of any kind?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:48 pm

Was R in the parking lot waiting for something? Yes, he was
getting back in the car? No

was the lot for a store of any kind? Yes, it was for a large shopping complex. This is only relevant for one reason, taking into account that the events in the puzzle took place at night and the parking lot was mostly empty.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:52 pm

Is the moon relevant? UFOs?

Was R waiting to see some astrological event? meteor shower?

Were the other people waiting for something too?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:53 pm

Is the moon relevant? UFOs? No

Was R waiting to see some astrological event? meteor shower? No (don't think too hard about what R was waiting for)

Were the other people waiting for something too? Yes, for the same thing R was waiting for
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:18 pm

Was J on his way to the lot before he flew?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Twilightseeker » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:42 pm

Is something illegal going on here?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby GalFisk » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:22 pm

Was Joe driving for work? Fun? To go somewhere? Was he driving recklessly? Showing off? Was anyone else driving? Relevant what car he had?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:14 pm

Was J on his way to the lot before he flew? Yes
Is something illegal going on here? Strictly speaking no, but Joe's actions could be viewed as this
Was Joe driving for work? Fun? To go somewhere? <-- This
Was he driving recklessly? Yes, and...Showing off?...this too.
Was anyone else driving? Not at the relevant time, no
Relevant what car he had? No

Nearly done, just left to figure out why Rhett wouldn't have seen Joe's flight under different circumstances
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:20 pm

Does Rhett suffer from some visual disability?

would R have not gone to the lot at all if only J was to be there?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:35 pm

Does Rhett suffer from some visual disability? No

would R have not gone to the lot at all if only J was to be there? OTRT! Actually it's the other way around as far as what Joe would or wouldn't have done. Both R and J would have gone to the lot anyway, but R speculated that something happened only because he wasn't there alone.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:09 pm

Did R want to show off to as many people as possible?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:11 pm

Did R want to show off to as many people as possible? No, R didn't...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:02 pm

Did JOE want to show off to a lot of people?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:16 pm

Did JOE want to show off to a lot of people? Yes, he did.

Now we almost have it solved...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:29 pm

So if Rhett had been alone, Joe probably wouldn't have felt the desire to show off just for him, and therefore wouldn't have accidentally flown?
But since there was a crowd (were there pretty girls?), Rhett did feel like showing off?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:34 pm

So if Rhett had been alone, Joe probably wouldn't have felt the desire to show off just for him, and therefore wouldn't have accidentally flown?
But since there was a crowd (were there pretty girls?), Rhett did feel like showing off?
Yes, all of this is correct. So you just need to figure out exactly what Joe did...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:38 pm

Did he: burn out? Drift? Drive fast? Brake hard? Go fast in a narrow place? Turn wildly? Drive on ice? Or other slippery surface?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:42 pm

Sorry, I was getting J and R confused with each other, doing too many puzzles at one time, I guess!

Was he showing off his vehicle's speed and didn't see the curb in time? or maybe he was going so fast he didn't have time to stop?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:42 pm

Did he: burn out? Drift? Drive fast? Yes, this Brake hard? Go fast in a narrow place? Narrow wasn't the problem (think about the conditions at the place where he was) Turn wildly? Drive on ice? Or other slippery surface? No to these
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:43 pm

Go fast in a short place? Cramped place? Dark place? Place without clearly visible edges? Were any other cars there?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:48 pm

Go fast in a short place? Yes, and short for a relevant reason
Cramped place? No, he had lots of room Dark place? Yes, he was doing this at night, which led to the relevant flight. If he had done it during daylight it is very unlikely that this would have happened.
Place without clearly visible edges? Well something wasn't clearly visible to Joe (already discovered)...
Were any other cars there? There were very few cars in the parking lot, and this factor combined with the fact that it was at night and there was a small group of people that he knew in the parking lot all led to the relevant action.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:56 pm

It was dark and he did not see the curb he hit?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:02 pm

It was dark and he did not see the curb he hit? Correct


*** SPOILER ***

Joe was known for always wanting to show off and/or do something crazy when other people besides me or Rhett (his best friends) were around. One night he, Rhett and some friends were meeting at a parking lot to then go somewhere together. They met after the businesses were closed, so the parking lot was mostly empty, except for Rhett's car and the others who were meeting. According to Rhett, the group saw Joe's car enter the parking lot and soon quickly pick up speed, headed straight toward a curb that divided a grassy area from the paved lot. As people in the group all watched and began to say, "What is he doing? He's going to hit that curb!", Joe sped through the parking area and hit the concrete curb, sending his small car briefly flying through the air and landing in the grassy area. Although Joe acted like it was something he had done on purpose, Rhett laughed hysterically (as I did when he told me about this) because he knew it was an accident and Joe hadn't seen the curb in the mostly dark parking lot.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Miles Away From Kitty Hawk

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:08 pm

Heh, just goes to show you what can happen when you try to show off!
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