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[IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:54 pm

Molly has a large yard that, each Halloween, she decorates extensively, complete with a fake dead man hanging high in a tree. One year she is walking around the yard, and happens to take a close look at the hanged man. She screams and runs inside to call the police. Why?

And no, this is not the (true) urban legend you're thinking of.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Grip » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:55 pm

Is the supernatural involved in any way? the maze is in her yard?

has the fake dead man been replaced? with another fake body?
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Postby irishelk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:19 pm

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Is the supernatural involved in any way? No. the maze is in her yard? Yes.

has the fake dead man been replaced? No. with another fake body?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:57 pm

Has someone altered the fake body? Did something happen to the fake body that she wasn't expected? Was the body such a way all along, but she hadn't noticed it? Relevant which part of the fake body she looks at?
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Postby Balin » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:26 pm

Has Molly seen evidence of a crime? Is she anticipating a crime will be committed? Did she see anything other than the fake body?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:13 pm

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Has someone altered the fake body? Yesish. Did something happen to the fake body that she wasn't expected? I'll say yes. Was the body such a way all along, but she hadn't noticed it? Yes. Relevant which part of the fake body she looks at? No.


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Has Molly seen evidence of a crime? Yes. Is she anticipating a crime will be committed? Yes, possibly. Did she see anything other than the fake body? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:06 am

Crime: murder? Some other form of physical harm? Theft? Some other form of loss?
Does the relevant thing she sees involve the tree? The way the fake body is attached to the tree?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:26 pm

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Crime: murder? Possibly. Some other form of physical harm? Theft? Some other form of loss? No to rest, possible mild FA.
Does the relevant thing she sees involve the tree? No. The way the fake body is attached to the tree? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:40 pm

Are any other of her decorations relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby biograd » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:02 pm

Was the fake body itself made of some different material than she thought it was? Did it have a hole/holes poked in it? Did it have some sort of hidden compartment/other space inside? Was something relevant written on it?

Had the relevant change to the body occurred while it was hanging there the year (i.e. halloween season) she noticed something was wrong? since she had taken it down the previous year? while it was up the previous year? earlier?

Did she make the fake body herself (e.g., out of fabric that she had sitting around)? or buy it? If you or I were to go to a store and see a fake body for sale with the out-of-place feature that she noticed, would we have reason to suspect the same kind of crime had been committed? would she? or was it only evidence of such a crime when it was seen under the circumstances she did (i.e. hanging on that tree)?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:20 pm

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Are any other of her decorations relevant? No.


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Was the fake body itself made of some different material than she thought it was? No. Did it have a hole/holes poked in it? Likely, yes. Did it have some sort of hidden compartment/other space inside? Yesish. Was something relevant written on it? No.

Had the relevant change to the body occurred while it was hanging there the year (i.e. Halloween season) she noticed something was wrong? No. since she had taken it down the previous year? while it was up the previous year? Thisish. earlier? And thisish, great question.

Did she make the fake body herself (e.g., out of fabric that she had sitting around)? or buy it? Irr, assume bought. If you or I were to go to a store and see a fake body for sale with the out-of-place feature that she noticed, would we have reason to suspect the same kind of crime had been committed? Not likely. would she? No. or was it only evidence of such a crime when it was seen under the circumstances she did (i.e. hanging on that tree)? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:20 pm

Was the body filled with something?
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:51 pm

Is the fake body actually a piñata? Are piñatas at all relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:35 pm

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Was the body filled with something? I wouldn't say filled, no.


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Is the fake body actually a piñata? No. Are piñatas at all relevant? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:14 pm

Was something hidden inside it? Someone? A weapon? Part of a body? Human bones?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:47 pm

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Was something hidden inside it? Yes. Someone? A weapon? Part of a body? Human bones? No to rest.
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Postby Grip » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:36 pm

Are animals relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:39 pm

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Are animals relevant? No.
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Postby Grip » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:44 pm

Was what was hidden in the corpse something gross?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:03 pm

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Was what was hidden in the corpse something gross? No.
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Postby Grip » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:07 pm

When before she noticed what made her scream, had she walked around the yard and looked at the hanged man earlier that year?

Screamed = out of just pure fear?or fear for her life? disgust?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:36 pm

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When before she noticed what made her scream, had she walked around the yard and looked at the hanged man earlier that year? Possibly, but not as closely.

Screamed = out of just pure fear? Yes. or fear for her life? Yes. disgust? Probably some of this.
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:15 pm

Was her life actually in danger?
Had the body been replaced with something else?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:11 pm

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Was her life actually in danger? Possibly...she is justified in thinking so.
Had the body been replaced with something else? No.
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Postby Grip » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:20 pm

Was there anything written on the body or some kind of written message left on or near it?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:46 am

Was what was hidden inside the body something dangerous? Explosive? Sharp? Flammable? Was it drugs? Was it itself dangerous? Or did it imply danger?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:09 pm

Grip

Was there anything written on the body or some kind of written message left on or near it? No.


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Was what was hidden inside the body something dangerous? Explosive? Sharp? Flammable? Was it drugs? No to all. Was it itself dangerous? No. Or did it imply danger? Yes indeed.
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Postby Balin » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:20 pm

Was it a written warning? Was it intended as a warning?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:46 am

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Was it a written warning? No. Was it intended as a warning? No.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:47 am

Did the thing inside the body imply that someone potentially dangerous was nearby? Was threatening her? Wanted to hurt her? Had been walking around her yard?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:53 am

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Did the thing inside the body imply that someone potentially dangerous was nearby? Noish, location irr. Was threatening her? Yesish. Wanted to hurt her? Yes, although the thing alone did not signify this. Had been walking around her yard? YESISH.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:16 am

Was the item/items left there intentionally by someone? Did the woman know who specifically had left it there? Someone she knew? A stranger? A stranger that, by reasoning of the item left, she surmised was unsafe? Was it just the concept that someone had been trespassing on her property that was frightening?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:40 pm

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Was the item/items left there intentionally by someone? Yes. Did the woman know who specifically had left it there? Yesish, she had some ideas. Someone she knew? Yes. A stranger? No. A stranger that, by reasoning of the item left, she surmised was unsafe? Was it just the concept that someone had been trespassing on her property that was frightening? No, there's more.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:35 pm

Did the presence of the thing mean something like "I'm watching you"? "I know where you live"? "I know who you are"? "I know what you did"? "I will do something bad to you"? "You better do/don't do x, or else"?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:35 pm

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Did the presence of the thing mean something like "I'm watching you"? Yes! ish, "I know where you live"? No, but maybe explore. "I know who you are"? "I know what you did"? "I will do something bad to you"? Yesish. "You better do/don't do x, or else"? No to rest.
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Postby biograd » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:26 pm

Was there a photo of her house? of her? a belonging of hers that someone would have to stalk her to obtain?
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Postby Grip » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:52 pm

Is the person a stalker of her? jealous/obsessed ex-husband?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:37 pm

biograd

Was there a photo of her house? No. of her? No, but explore. a belonging of hers that someone would have to stalk her to obtain? No.


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Is the person a stalker of her? DOYD, but I'd say yes. jealous/obsessed ex-husband? Probably not, but exact relationship irr.
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Postby Grip » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:07 pm

Is Molly famous?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:21 pm

Was the item a photo? Something she'd lost? Something stolen from her?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:59 pm

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Is Molly famous? No or irr.


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Was the item a photo? Something she'd lost? Something stolen from her? No to all.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:28 pm

Was it a recording of some kind? Something written? A piece of technology?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:24 pm

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Was it a recording of some kind? Noish. Something written? No. A piece of technology? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:27 pm

A camera? GPS tracker? Sound recorder? Cell phone?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:35 pm

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A camera? YES. GPS tracker? Sound recorder? Cell phone? No to rest.
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Postby Twilightseeker » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:54 am

Was the camera there to take pictures/video of her as she was in her back yard? Or did it already have other images/video of her (or something else) ON the camera at the point it was put in the fake body?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:11 am

Photo camera? Video camera? Surveillance camera? Web camera? Baby monitoring camera? Other camera accesible remotely? Does it point inside her house?
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Postby irishelk » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:11 pm

Twilightseeker

Was the camera there to take pictures/video of her as she was in her back yard? Yesish. Or did it already have other images/video of her (or something else) ON the camera at the point it was put in the fake body? No.


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Photo camera? Video camera? Yes. Surveillance camera? This! Web camera? Possibly.Baby monitoring camera? Other camera accessible remotely? And yes.
Does it point inside her house? No to rest.
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:01 pm

Would the camera detect whether she was at home or away? See her doing a specific action? See her in a specific situation? See anyone else relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:13 pm

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Would the camera detect whether she was at home or away? No. See her doing a specific action? Noish. See her in a specific situation? Yes. See anyone else relevant? Yes.
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Postby biograd » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:56 pm

Was the camera over the walkway leading to the front door? Was it meant to observe with whom she was walking home? to get information on the other residents of the home? or her friends?
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Postby Grip » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:22 pm

Was the man a peeping tom?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:42 am

biograd

Was the camera over the walkway leading to the front door? No. Was it meant to observe with whom she was walking home? No. to get information on the other residents of the home? Yope, not really information... or her friends? No.


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Was the man a peeping tom? The person who put the camera there? No.
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Postby Grip » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:31 am

Was the camera guy going to use the camera to plan a crime? a series of robberies?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:23 pm

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Was the camera guy going to use the camera to plan a crime? Noish, but a crime is involved. a series of robberies? No.
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Postby Grip » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:46 pm

Is the crime that is involved homicide? theft? assault and battery? kidnapping?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:56 pm

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Is the crime that is involved homicide? This is involved but does not actually occur. theft? assault and battery? kidnapping? No to rest.
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Postby Grip » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:07 pm

Were the pictures/video from the camera going to be used to help plot the murder of Molly?
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Were the pictures/video from the camera going to be used to help plot the murder of Molly? No.
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Postby Grip » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:15 pm

Was Molly involved in a crime herself?

Were the police able to stop the homicide from happening?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:35 pm

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Was Molly involved in a crime herself? Not in committing one, but as a victim, yes,

Were the police able to stop the homicide from happening? Noish, maybe explore.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:29 pm

Did someone plan to murder her? To murder someone else? Did she prevent the murder? Is more than one criminal involved? Motive for the murder relevant?
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Postby biograd » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:52 pm

Was Molly investigating a crime? Was she a witness to a crime? Was the criminal trying to prevent her from solving/helping to solve the crime?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:24 am

GalFisk

Did someone plan to murder her? Possibly, explore. To murder someone else? Possibly. Did she prevent the murder? At some point, yes. Is more than one criminal involved? No. Motive for the murder relevant? No.


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Was Molly investigating a crime? No. Was she a witness to a crime? No. Was the criminal trying to prevent her from solving/helping to solve the crime? Not really.
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Postby Grip » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:50 am

The surveillance camera was hidden in the fake dead body, is that correct?

Would Molly to be killed just to get her "out of the way?" so her home could be accessed? her backyard?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:57 am

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The surveillance camera was hidden in the fake dead body, is that correct? Yes.

Would Molly to be killed just to get her "out of the way?" so her home could be accessed? her backyard? No, motive irr.
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Postby Grip » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:35 am

Was the camera aimed at a house? an alley? driveway? a backyard? woods? graveyard? lake? ocean?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:32 am

Was the criminal looking for someone to murder? Was the camera intended to shiw the potential victim? Show if potential witnesses were nearby? Record the murder for posterity?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:17 pm

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Was the camera aimed at a house? an alley? driveway? a backyard? This, or front yard. woods? graveyard? lake? ocean?


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Was the criminal looking for someone to murder? No... Was the camera intended to show the potential victim? ...but Yesish! Show if potential witnesses were nearby? Record the murder for posterity? No to rest.
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:53 pm

Was the criminal planning a murder? Break in? Robbery? Violence?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:02 pm

GalFisk » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:53 pm
Was the criminal planning a murder? Possibly, unknown. Sorry this is confusing. Another crime is relevant that is yet to be discovered.

Break in? Robbery? Violence? None of these (other than the violence associated with murder).
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Postby Grip » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:08 pm

Other crime - drug dealing? auto theft?
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Other crime - drug dealing? No. auto theft? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby GalFisk » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:22 am

Other crime: something that would benefit the criminal? Benefit Molly? Benefit someone else? Be bad for Molly? Bad for someone else? Would this crime involve: money? Valuables? People? Smuggling? Evidence from other crimes? Law enforcement?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:54 pm

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Other crime: something that would benefit the criminal? Not materially, and FA lurking. Benefit Molly? No. Benefit someone else? No. Be bad for Molly? Yes. Bad for someone else? Possibly.

Would this crime involve: money? Valuables? People? Yesish. Smuggling? Evidence from other crimes? Law enforcement? Only in the sense that they might investigate it. No to rest.

Same FA lurking in all these q's.
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Postby Grip » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:08 pm

Is there more than one person involved in the other crime? Mafia relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:49 pm

Grip

Is there more than one person involved in the other crime? As perpetrators? No. Mafia relevant? No.
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Postby Grip » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:20 pm

Does Molly live in a neighborhood? if so, is the whole neighborhood being targeted for a crime?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:36 pm

Grip

Does Molly live in a neighborhood? Yes.cif so, is the whole neighborhood being targeted for a crime? No, but

HINT if you want it:
Another person in the neighborhood is indirectly victimized by the crime.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby biograd » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:42 pm

The other person is indirectly victimized financially? by having his/her home or property broken into for use in the perpetrating of the crime? by having his/her identity stolen? by some sort of physical injury?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:48 pm

biograd

The other person is indirectly victimized financially? Possibly, but they suffer a more severe consequence. by having his/her home or property broken into for use in the perpetrating of the crime? by having his/her identity stolen? by some sort of physical injury? No to rest.
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Postby Grip » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:58 am

Did the person indirectly victimized lose his or her life?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:37 pm

Grip

Did the person indirectly victimized lose his or her life? No.
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Postby biograd » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:34 pm

The "more severe consequence":
Does the person lose a loved one? get some kind of disease (I would have said that was "physical injury", but I don't know if you included that)? lose a good reputation (I don't know if this is more severe than financial loss)? lose use of something that was rightfully theirs?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:23 pm

biograd

The "more severe consequence":
Does the person lose a loved one? get some kind of disease (I would have said that was "physical injury", but I don't know if you included that)? lose a good reputation Yes. (I don't know if this is more severe than financial loss)? Both likely occurred, but more to it than that. lose use of something that was rightfully theirs? No to rest.


******************************Sorely needed RECAP. I italicized things that still need figuring out.

Molly notices that the fake dead body in her yard has been altered. A video camera has been hidden inside it for the purpose of taking video of her in the yard. She has some idea that someone she knew put it there, exact relationship irr. Along with other circumstances, this signals danger to Molly and makes her fear for her life. The change to the body had been made the previous year.

At some point a crime occurred that involved murder, but was not murder. Molly was the victim. Another person in the neighborhood suffered indirectly from the crime in some way; this suffering involved loss of money and reputation. In the sense that a murder is involved, Molly prevents it at one point.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:12 pm

Is the crime that occurred theft of identity?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:31 am

Grip

Is the crime that occurred theft of identity? No, but maybe explore.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:28 pm

Is there a kidnapping scheme involved here?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:26 am

Grip

Is there a kidnapping scheme involved here? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:05 am

Was someone framed for a crime? if so, was it Molly? the other person mentioned previously?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:59 am

Grip

Was someone framed for a crime? Yope, SVV of framed. if so, was it Molly? No. the other person mentioned previously? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:48 pm

Does Molly have children? Relevant?
Did the camera show any other piece of land than Molly's backyard? Is there a relationship between Molly and the other person from the neighborhood?
Did the crime occur before the dead body was altered? Did the crime involve terrorism? Is this crime usually involved together with murder? If yes, does it happen before murder? After murder?
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Postby irishelk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:23 pm

RedWine

Does Molly have children? Yes! Relevant? Well, the story could go exactly the same without them, but let's stick them in.
Did the camera show any other piece of land than Molly's backyard? No. Is there a relationship between Molly and the other person from the neighborhood? Not pre-existing, but a relavant incident occurs between them
Did the crime occur before the dead body was altered? No, good q. Did the crime involve terrorism? DOYD of terrorism, but in a literal sense yes. Is this crime usually involved together with murder? It occurs both with and without an actual murder/ If yes, does it happen before murder? Yes, if there is a murder. After murder? No.
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:29 pm

Did Molly and the other neighborhood person have a fight? a transaction of money?

Does the crime involve documents? letters? impersonation of some kind?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby biograd » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:13 pm

Was the other person in the neighborhood (the indirect victim) a witness to a crime? If so, was the criminal trying to intimidate that witness?

Was the camera put there in order to record conversation between Molly and that indirect victim? to determine if they were "onto" a criminal plot?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:38 pm

Did the crime involve Molly's child or children? Were children at home when Molly discovered the camera? Does Molly fear for her children's lives? Or wellbeing? Is the crime blackmail? Or some kind of threatening?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:44 pm

Grip

Did Molly and the other neighborhood person have a fight? Not a physical encounter, no. a transaction of money? No.

Does the crime involve documents? Yesish. letters? Yesish, explore. impersonation of some kind? No.


biograd

Was the other person in the neighborhood (the indirect victim) a witness to a crime? No. If so, was the criminal trying to intimidate that witness? No.

Was the camera put there in order to record conversation between Molly and that indirect victim? to determine if they were "onto" a criminal plot? No to both.


RedWine

Did the crime involve Molly's child or children? Yes. Were children at home when Molly discovered the camera? Irr. Does Molly fear for her children's lives? Yes. Or wellbeing? Possibly. Is the crime blackmail? No. Or some kind of threatening? YES.
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Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:49 pm

Did anyone send Molly threatening letters or emails? Did anything indicate that her children would be killed? Kidnapped? Injured? Were Molly's children at home? Ex-husband relevant?
Did Molly and the other neighborhood person have a quarrel? Did they exchange letters or emails? Did they talk to each other on the phone?
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Postby irishelk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:38 am

RedWine

Did anyone send Molly threatening letters or emails? Yes! Email. Did anything indicate that her children would be killed? Kidnapped? Injured? Yes, along these lines; assume killed. Were Molly's children at home? At what point? They lived at home, yes. Ex-husband relevant? No.
Did Molly and the other neighborhood person have a quarrel? Not exactly, but there was a subject of conflict. Did they exchange letters or emails? No. Did they talk to each other on the phone? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:28 pm

Did the subject of conflict involve children? yard? Molly's behavior? Halloween decorations?
Did Molly suspect the neighbor to place the camera in the dead man?
Did Molly know who sent her the emails? Did the sender want Molly to do something? to stop doing something? Were emails just threats with no demand?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:07 pm

RedWine

Did the subject of conflict involve children? Sort of. yard? Molly's behavior? Halloween decorations? No to rest.
Did Molly suspect the neighbor to place the camera in the dead man? No, but explore.
Did Molly know who sent her the emails? Importantly, no. Did the sender want Molly to do something? No. to stop doing something? No. Were emails just threats with no demand? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Grip » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:02 pm

Are noise levels relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:36 am

Did Molly suspect the neighbor of sending her the threatening e-mail and she did not fear it, but upon having found the camera she knows that it cannot be the neighbor so she gets frightened?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:26 pm

Grip

Are noise levels relevant? No.


RedWine

Did Molly suspect the neighbor of sending her the threatening e-mail Yes!
and she did not fear it, No...
but upon having found the camera she knows that it cannot be the neighbor so she gets frightened? Yes. You've got 99%, something else happens regarding the neighbor.
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Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:39 pm

Did the neighbor die? Go to hospital? Was it somehow proven that he could not have planted the camera?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:58 am

RedWine

Did the neighbor die? No. Go to hospital? No, but he went somewhere. Was it somehow proven that he could not have planted the camera? Yope, OTRT.
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Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:55 pm

Did he just move out? Did they managed to resolve their argument so the neighbor did not need to plant the camera? Did he get ill in a way that planting the camera would be impossible for him?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby Acridian9 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:58 pm

The camera was planted the previous year, right? So was the neighbor not yet arrived when the camera was planted?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:30 pm

RedWine

Did he just move out? No. Did they managed to resolve their argument so the neighbor did not need to plant the camera? No, FA-ish. Did he get ill in a way that planting the camera would be impossible for him? No.


Acridian9

The camera was planted the previous year, right? Yes. So was the neighbor not yet arrived when the camera was planted? No, he was around...
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby RedWine » Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:19 pm

Was the camera planted before Molly had an argument with the neighbor? Was the camera planted before Molly got the threatening email? After?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby biograd » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:30 pm

Was the fake body put up in different places during the two years? Did Molly realize that it would have only been possible to place the camera inside of it the previous year, because it would have been inaccessible where it was the current year?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:29 pm

RedWine

Was the camera planted before Molly had an argument with the neighbor? Yes, but argument probably isn't the best word. Was the camera planted before Molly got the threatening email? Yes. After?


biograd

Was the fake body put up in different places during the two years? Irr. Did Molly realize that it would have only been possible to place the camera inside of it the previous year, because it would have been inaccessible where it was the current year? No, but she does know it was placed inside the previous year.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby kalira » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:37 pm

Did Molly realize that the camera was placed the previous year because the neighbor physically could not have done so this year? And would have had no reason to do so the previous year (because they had not yet taken part in whatever incident would lead Molly to believe the threatening email was sent by them)?

Did the neighbor go to jail/prison? During the previous year's timeframe? During this year's timeframe? Is insurance fraud relevant at all?
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:32 pm

kalira

Did Molly realize that the camera was placed the previous year because the neighbor physically could not have done so this year? Not exactly, but true that his couldn't have done it this year.
And would have had no reason to do so the previous year (because they had not yet taken part in whatever incident would lead Molly to believe the threatening email was sent by them)? Not exactly. The sending of the threatening email is the incident.

Did the neighbor go to jail/prison? YES! During the previous year's timeframe? During this year's timeframe? Yes and yes. Is insurance fraud relevant at all? No.

All the pieces are there...
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby biograd » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:08 pm

So, this is what I gather:

Molly put up the same fake body on Halloween two years in a row. In between the two times it was up, she received a threatening email, and thought it had probably been sent by a neighbor. However, she then found out that her neighbor had been in jail at the time the threatening email had been sent, and was still in jail when she put the fake body up the current year. Therefore, when she saw the camera in the body, she realized that the same person who sent the threatening email had likely planted the camera, but that this couldn't be the neighbor since he/she was in jail.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:14 pm

Very very close, and I'll give two hints since I really, really want this one put to bed. Why did I make a holiday-themed puzzle so difficult?! ><

-She already knew that camera person was email person. How?

-She already knew neighbor was in jail. Why?
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Postby biograd » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:30 am

Did the threatening email include a picture taken from the viewpoint of the camera, to show that the writer knew where she lived? This would also explain why she thought at first it was a neighbor who had sent it, if the neighbor would have been the only person who could see her house from that angle.
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Re: [IrishElk] Trick 'r Treat

Postby irishelk » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:17 pm

biograd

Did the threatening email include a picture taken from the viewpoint of the camera, to show that the writer knew where she lived? This would also explain why she thought at first it was a neighbor who had sent it, if the neighbor would have been the only person who could see her house from that angle. Yes! Picture and/or video. I think that takes care of all the relevant details. Good job.


**********************************SPOILER

A year previous to the events of the puzzle statement, Molly had received an email with a death threat, and a video attached of she and her children in their front yard. When she got the email, Molly remembered her weird neighbor being around the day that they were in the yard. She calls the police, and the neighbor is arrested and convicted of making the death threats.

Back to present-day--when inspecting her Halloween dead-body decoration, she notices that there is a small camera hidden inside it. Given the angle at which the threatening video was taken, and where the decoration is normally placed in the yard, she realizes the video from a year ago must have come from this camera. As the neighbor never got anywhere near the dead body, she suspects that the actual perpetrator of the death threat was one of the friends who had helped her decorate last year! She screams in horror, and runs inside to call the police and tell them that 1) the wrong man is in jail, and 2) someone with a grudge against her and her children is still on the loose.
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