[Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

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[Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:16 pm

Why did Don warn Joe against turning over?
Don and Joe are both H/A/M
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby biograd » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Does "turning over" in this case mean turning himself over? or something else?
Does "over" mean "upside down"? or "over to the side"?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Westing1992 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:37 am

Does THIS have to do with executions? Fire?
Are they sleeping on the edge of a cliff? Is sleep relevant at all?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:53 am

Does "turning over" in this case mean turning himself over? ...No or something else? ...Yes or No, depending on the meaning of the question
Does "over" mean "upside down"? Yesish or "over to the side"? Not sure what you mean by this

Does THIS have to do with executions? Fire? Not this time
Are they sleeping on the edge of a cliff? Is sleep relevant at all? No to both
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:55 am

So, was there another object involved here? That might potentially be "turned over"?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:14 pm

So, was there another object involved here? No That might potentially be "turned over"? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Westing1992 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:17 pm

Does "turn over" not mean physically turning over? Is is more akin to turning over a new leaf, or turning someone over to the police?
Alternatively, are they in space or a similar environment?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:13 pm

Does "turn over" not mean physically turning over? No, it does mean this Is is more akin to turning over a new leaf, or turning someone over to the police?
Alternatively, are they in space or a similar environment? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:28 pm

Was it in fact Don who should not be turned over?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:02 pm

Was it in fact Don who should not be turned over? No, it does refer to Joe
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Twilightseeker » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:50 am

So this "turning over" referring to Joe turning over? Physically rolling over? Moving? Turning over in a certain place?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:16 pm

So this "turning over" referring to Joe turning over? Yes, but as I said above, not Joe turning himself over Physically rolling over? See prev Moving? See prev Turning over in a certain place? See prev
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:27 pm

Is sunbathing relevant?

Is someone else to turn Joe over?

Are these two in a vehicle of some kind? a plane?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:20 pm

Is sunbathing relevant? No

Is someone else to turn Joe over? Yes, and that should clear up a lot of the ambiguity

Are these two in a vehicle of some kind? a plane? Neither
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:24 pm

Is the sex of the someone else relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:29 pm

Is the sex of the someone else relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:41 pm

Is Joe to be lying in bed when he is to be turned over?

Is Joe in a hospital? Is Joe to be turned over in his own home?

Is Don related to Joe? a friend?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:10 pm

Is Joe to be lying in bed when he is to be turned over? Yes

Is Joe in a hospital? Yes Is Joe to be turned over in his own home? No

Is Don related to Joe? No a friend? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:06 pm

Was Don afraid Joe would get hurt? killed?

Was Joe hooked up to an IV? something else that if it stopped working, would hurt or kill Don?
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:35 pm

Was Don afraid Joe would get hurt? Yope/Noish killed? No

Was Joe hooked up to an IV? No something else that if it stopped working, would hurt or kill Don? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Twilightseeker » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:48 pm

Was Joe already injured/sick?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:48 pm

Was Joe already injured/sick? Yes, injured
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:49 pm

Was he worried Joe would be made more uncomfortable?

Was the turning over to be done by a doctor? a nurse?

Is Joe wearing one of those bottomless hospital gowns? and Don was afraid that if Joe got turned over his backside would now be exposed to all the world?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:00 pm

Was he worried Joe would be made more uncomfortable? Oh, yes.

Was the turning over to be done by a doctor? This a nurse?

Is Joe wearing one of those bottomless hospital gowns? and Don was afraid that if Joe got turned over his backside would now be exposed to all the world? No, but OTRT
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:06 pm

Is the sex of the doctor relevant?

Was D worried J would embarrass himself? is J not wearing anything at all?

Does J have some blemish on his face? body?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Twilightseeker » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:46 am

Relevant what his injury was? Internal? External? Broken bones?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:26 pm

Is the sex of the doctor relevant? No

Was D worried J would embarrass himself? Yesish is J not wearing anything at all? No

Does J have some blemish on his face? body? Not relevantly

Relevant what his injury was? Internal? External? Broken bones? Not really. He had suffered a fall.
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:00 pm

Is J elderly? is D? age relevant at all?
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Postby Balin » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:39 pm

Is J elderly? is D? age relevant at all? No to all
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Twilightseeker » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:45 pm

Was there something about Joe that was a result of his fall that would embarrass him? Or something that was already there before his fall? Is this something physical about Joe?
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Postby Balin » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:08 am

Was there something about Joe that was a result of his fall that would embarrass him? Not sure about "about Joe," but Yes Or something that was already there before his fall? No Is this something physical about Joe? Yope, but it's not a physical characteristic
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:22 am

Is J still able to talk?

Does J have any relevant mental characteristics? is he easily confused? embarrassed?

Is body odor relevant? bodily noises?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:52 am

Is it something to do with Joe's physical abilities or lack thereof?
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Postby Balin » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:41 pm

Is J still able to talk? Yes

Does J have any relevant mental characteristics? No is he easily confused? embarrassed? Irrel

Is body odor relevant? No bodily noises? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:41 pm

Is it something to do with Joe's physical abilities or lack thereof? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:53 pm

Does J want to be turned over?

Is J to be turned over on his request? is it simply SOP? is J to be examined?

Is J very shy? self conscious?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:01 pm

Does J want to be turned over? Irrel

Is J to be turned over on his request? No is it simply SOP? Yes is J to be examined? Yes

Is J very shy? self conscious? Irrel
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:32 pm

Was J being turned over expose what led to him falling? was it due to some stupid action on his part?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:29 am

Was J being turned over expose what led to him falling? No was it due to some stupid action on his part? Irrel
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:49 am

Is J to be turned over on one of his sides? onto his back? face up?

Tattoos relevant?
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Postby Twilightseeker » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:38 am

Is there something that Don doesn't want someone to see? Does he think there's something JOE doesn't want seen?
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Postby Balin » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:55 pm

Is J to be turned over on one of his sides? onto his back? face up? None of these

Tattoos relevant? No

Is there something that Don doesn't want someone to see? Does he think there's something JOE doesn't want seen? No to both
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:00 pm

Is J's bed to be turned over? with him still in it?
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Postby Balin » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:05 pm

Is J's bed to be turned over? No, just him with him still in it?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:41 am

Was Joe to be turned over completely and then back to his original position? was his turning over to be temporarily?
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Postby Balin » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:11 pm

Was Joe to be turned over completely and then back to his original position? Yes but irrel was his turning over to be temporarily? Yes but irrel
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:20 pm

Was Don afraid Joe would get motion sickness? that he would throw up?
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Postby Balin » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:25 pm

Was Don afraid Joe would get motion sickness? that he would throw up? No to both
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:27 pm

Does Joe have piercings? is he overweight?

Would the doctor possibly laugh if Joe got turned over?
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Postby Balin » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:44 pm

Does Joe have piercings? is he overweight? No/Irrel to both

Would the doctor possibly laugh if Joe got turned over? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:10 pm

Is the examination itself where the issue lies?
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:59 pm

Is the examination itself where the issue lies? Yes
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Postby Grip » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:49 pm

Is J to be naked during this exam?

Does J have something stuck on/in his body?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:09 am

Is J to be naked during this exam? I don't know, but OTRT!

Does J have something stuck on/in his body? Yes...
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:32 am

Is a very sensitive area to be looked at?
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Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:58 pm

Is a very sensitive area to be looked at? Yes, but not just "looked at"...
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:24 pm

Is Joe to be um...probed?

Is the sensitive area in the behind? Ugh, see what you're making me type!
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:08 pm

Is Joe to be um...probed? He is to be given a rectal exam, Yes

Is the sensitive area in the behind? Yes Ugh, see what you're making me type! Sorry...
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:22 pm

This is getting scary!

So does Joe have something stuck...in...there?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:56 pm

So does Joe have something stuck...in...there? No, it was just part of the normal procedure for a trauma patient
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:09 pm

So is it simply that Don does not want for Joe to turn over to get the rectal exam, as it's hardly the most dignified thing in the world?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:18 pm

So is it simply that Don does not want for Joe to turn over to get the rectal exam, as it's hardly the most dignified thing in the world? Yes, but there's a little bit more: How does Don know that Joe will be getting a rectal exam?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:23 pm

Does Don have medical knowledge himself? is he a doctor? nurse? does he simply know exam SOP? did someone there simply tell him?
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Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:24 pm

Does Don have medical knowledge himself? is he a doctor? nurse? does he simply know exam SOP? did someone there simply tell him? No to all
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:26 pm

Is Don in the room with J? visiting?

Did Don read the little note they put in front of hospital beds?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:53 pm

Is Don in the room with J? Briefly visiting? No

Did Don read the little note they put in front of hospital beds? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:08 pm

Did Don see rectal examination equipment around?

Did Don know about the planned exam before he entered the hospital?

Does Don work at the hospital?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:39 am

Did Don see rectal examination equipment around? Irrel

Did Don know about the planned exam before he entered the hospital? No, and this is relevant

Does Don work at the hospital? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:18 pm

Did Don know about the exam before he entered J's room?
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Postby Balin » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:07 pm

Did Don know about the exam before he entered J's room? FA
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Postby Grip » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:35 pm

Did Don know about about the exam before he was briefly in the room with Joe?
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Postby Balin » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:23 pm

Did Don know about about the exam before he was briefly in the room with Joe? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:44 pm

Was the room they were both in briefly an exam room? a regular hospital room? surgery room? relevant?

When they in the room briefly together, is that when D warned J about not turning over?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:28 pm

Was the room they were both in briefly an exam room? a regular hospital room? surgery room? It was the trauma bay relevant? Yes

When they in the room briefly together, is that when D warned J about not turning over? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:45 pm

Did Don see something in the trauma bay that tipped him off about the exam? overheard something?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:04 pm

Did Don see something in the trauma bay that tipped him off about the exam? Not exactly overheard something? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:25 pm

Did Don make some Sherlock Holmes-esque deduction?

Did the entrance to the trauma bay mention it was for rectal exams?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:05 pm

Did Don make some Sherlock Holmes-esque deduction? No

Did the entrance to the trauma bay mention it was for rectal exams? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:20 pm

Did Don find out about the exam as he was walking to the trauma bay? elevators relevant? did he see the rectal exam people/equipment go into the trauma room?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:47 pm

Did Don find out about the exam as he was walking to the trauma bay? No, FA elevators relevant? No did he see the rectal exam people/equipment go into the trauma room? Possibly
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:53 pm

Don was in the trauma room briefly, did he walk into there? was he there before Joe? was Don not personally in the room, but there via TV or PC or the like?

Was Don merely being humorous?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:21 pm

Don was in the trauma room briefly, did he walk into there? No was he there before Joe? Yes was Don not personally in the room, but there via TV or PC or the like? No, he was physically there

Was Don merely being humorous? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:02 am

Did Don enter the room without walking into it? is Don in a wheelchair or the like?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:44 am

Did Don enter the room without walking into it? Yes is Don in a wheelchair or the like? No but OTRT!
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:32 pm

Is Don in some type of vehicle? did Don float into the room? drive into it? hop in? ride into it? was someone with Don? pushed into it?

Is Don in a scooter?

Is how Don got into the room/moves around connected to how he knew about the exam?

Is Don familiar with rectal exams? did he have one and it was botched, making him no longer able to walk?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:46 pm

Is Don in some type of vehicle? No did Don float into the room? drive into it? hop in? ride into it? No to these was someone with Don? Yes pushed into it? This

Is Don in a scooter? No

Is how Don got into the room/moves around connected to how he knew about the exam? Yes, VERY. (Not "moves around," though.)

Is Don familiar with rectal exams? Yes... did he have one and it was botched, making him no longer able to walk? No
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:07 pm

Is Don a patient too? was he pushed into the room on a gurney? was he to have an rectal exam at the same time as Joe?

Was/is Don Joe's hospital bed partner?

Was Don injured sometime while in the hospital? did he come to the hospital to see Joe?
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Re: [Balin] Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:43 pm

Is Don a patient too? Yes! was he pushed into the room on a gurney? Yes was he to have an rectal exam at the same time as Joe? He'd already had one, actually...

****SPOILER****

This is from an Emergency Medicine thread called "Things I Learn From My Patients."

I learned how important it is to have good buddies "to watch your back" while I was on the trauma service.

A scaffold collapsed dropping two construction workers 20-30 feet (reportedly). The "sicker" of the two arrived about 15 minutes before the other. Being the efficient trauma team we stripped and flipped him (including the mandatory ATLS rectal exam) and had him rolling out of the trauma bay to the scanner just as his buddy was coming in. As the paramedics were starting to give their report he yelled out "Hey Joe, don't let em turn you over!"

I guess you had to be there :idea:


Nicely done Grip for persevering through to the solution!
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Re: [Balin] (*SOLVED*) Overturned turnovers Part II

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:56 pm

Thanks, it was enjoyable!
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