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by **Balin** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:31 pm

Olson wrote a note. In response, Jerry wrote a note. Olson responded to Jerry's note. Jerry was embarrassed. What happened?
Olson and Jerry are both H/A/M

by **Grip** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:59 pm

Note = pieces of paper with writing on it? musical notes?

by **Twilightseeker** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:35 am

Are Olson and Jerry acquainted? Friends? Relatives? Coworkers? Classmates? Other type of relationship?

Anyone else relevant involved (any other third party)? Did Jerry make a mistake that he is embarrassed about? Did he make a false assumption about something or someone? At the end of the puzzle, Jerry is embarrassed, but would Olson have a certain relevant emotion? Anger? Amusement? Chagrin? Sadness? Happiness? Satisfaction? Nothing in particular?

by **Balin** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:12 pm

Note = pieces of paper with writing on it? Yes musical notes? No

Are Olson and Jerry acquainted? Yes Friends? Relatives? Coworkers? Classmates? Other type of relationship? This

Anyone else relevant involved (any other third party)? No Did Jerry make a mistake that he is embarrassed about? Yes Did he make a false assumption about something or someone? Yes At the end of the puzzle, Jerry is embarrassed, but would Olson have a certain relevant emotion? Yes Anger? Amusement? Probably this Chagrin? Sadness? Happiness? Satisfaction? Nothing in particular?

by **Grip** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:06 pm

Were these notes physically passed between the two? or were they shared with each other via mail or some such?

by **Balin** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:34 pm

Were these notes physically passed between the two? No or were they shared with each other via mail or some such? Also No

by **Grip** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:08 pm

Are Olson and Jerry only acquaintances and nothing more? do they ever meet face to face?

by **Balin** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:24 pm

Are Olson and Jerry only acquaintances and nothing more? No, there is more to their relationship do they ever meet face to face? Yes

by **Grip** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:02 pm

Are Olson and Jerry colleagues? teacher and student? is one of them the other ones boss?

by **Balin** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:39 pm

Are Olson and Jerry colleagues? teacher and student? is one of them the other ones boss? No to all

by **Grip** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:54 pm

Are they roommates?

by **Balin** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:09 am

Are they roommates? No

by **GalFisk** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:27 am

Do they like each other? Compete for something? Are they rivals? Do they try to one-up one another? Are they equals? Are their professions relevant?

by **Balin** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:43 pm

Do they like each other? Hmm... at one point in the puzzle, Jerry does not like Olson. Other than that, irrel Compete for something? No Are they rivals? No Do they try to one-up one another? No Are they equals? See next Are their professions relevant? Olson's is

by **Grip** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:07 pm

Are J and O in a business relationship? is one of them the others client/customer?

by **Balin** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:32 am

Are J and O in a business relationship? In a sense is one of them the others client/customer? With svv of "client"/"customer"

by **GalFisk** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:40 pm

Is Olson a teacher? Leader? Boss? Is he responsible for Jerry? Is Jerry embarrassed in fromt of anyone except Olson?

by **Balin** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:32 am

Is Olson a teacher? Leader? Boss? No to all Is he responsible for Jerry? Yes, in a relevant way Is Jerry embarrassed in front of anyone except Olson? I think there would be a few other people who'd know about the embarrassment

by **Grip** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:47 am

Is Olson a psychiatrist? doctor? advisor of some kind?

Is e-mail relevant? memos?

by **Balin** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:53 pm

Is Olson a psychiatrist? doctor? This advisor of some kind?

Is e-mail relevant? No memos? Noish/Yope

by **Grip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:56 pm

What specific type of doctor Olsen is relevant? pediatrician?

Is Jerry Olsen's patient?

Are the notes doctors notes?

by **Balin** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:04 pm

What specific type of doctor Olson is relevant? Not really, but if it helps, he's a surgeon. pediatrician? No

Is Jerry Olson's patient? Yes

Are the notes doctors notes? Yes

by **Grip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:09 pm

Did Jerry request something in his note? did he ask Olson a question or questions in it?

Did Jerry just have surgery? was about to? had it many years ago?

Are meds relevant?

by **Balin** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:03 pm

Did Jerry request something in his note? No did he ask Olson a question or questions in it? No

Did Jerry just have surgery? This was about to? had it many years ago?

Are meds relevant? Jerry was a little bit under the influence of his meds, but No.

by **Grip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:15 pm

Did Jerry have a silly response to Olson's original note?

Was the original note pointing out something? asking a question? was it about the surgery?

by **Balin** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:10 pm

Did Jerry have a silly response to Olson's original note? It wound up that way, but it wasn't intended as silly

Was the original note pointing out something? Yes asking a question? No was it about the surgery? No, but it was a medical note

by **Grip** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:29 pm

Was the original note instructional in nature? merely informative?

Did Jerry misread the note? misunderstand it?

by **Balin** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:44 pm

Was the original note instructional in nature? merely informative? This

Did Jerry misread the note? misunderstand it? This

by **jumpingjacks** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:29 am

Did Jerry think that Olson was insulting him in the first note? Did he respond in an angry manner?

by **Balin** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:34 pm

Did Jerry think that Olson was insulting him in the first note? Did he respond in an angry manner? Yes to both

by **Grip** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:15 pm

Did Jerry think Olson was insulting some physical attribute? mental?

by **Balin** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:59 pm

Did Jerry think Olson was insulting some physical attribute? mental? Umm... his personality.

by **Grip** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:44 pm

Did J think O was insulting his intelligence?

by **Balin** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:09 am

Did J think O was insulting his intelligence? No

by **jumpingjacks** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:40 am

Did Jerry have a relevant medical condition? Was Olson commenting on this condition, but Jerry mistook it for a comment on his personality?
eg. "not very acute", "patient inflamed", something along these lines?

by **Balin** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:59 pm

Did Jerry have a relevant medical condition? Well, a symptom Was Olson commenting on this condition, but Jerry mistook it for a comment on his personality? Yes
eg. "not very acute", "patient inflamed", something along these lines? Yes, OTRT (but not either of these)

by **jumpingjacks** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:31 pm

Would it be considered a minor symptom?
Was Jerry coughing? sneezing? having bowel trouble? experiencing pain somewhere? skin problems? something to do with his - eyes? ears? nose? throat? mouth? limbs? heart? lungs? stomach?

Did Jerry think that Olson was calling him a nasty person? disgusting? lazy? evil? rude? angry?

by **Balin** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:23 pm

Would it be considered a minor symptom? I don't think so
Was Jerry coughing? sneezing? having bowel trouble? experiencing pain somewhere? skin problems? None of these are the relevant symptom
something to do with his - eyes? ears? nose? throat? mouth? limbs? heart? lungs? This stomach?

Did Jerry think that Olson was calling him a nasty person? disgusting? lazy? evil? rude? This angry?

by **GalFisk** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:47 am

Lung symptom: phlegm? Oxygen uptake issues? Breathing rhythm issues? Apnea? Pain? Abnormal breathing sounds? Halitosis? Is the symptom heard? Seen? Felt? Smelled?

by **Balin** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:28 pm

Lung symptom: phlegm? Oxygen uptake issues? Breathing rhythm issues? This, specifically shortness of breath Apnea? Pain? Abnormal breathing sounds? Halitosis?
Is the symptom heard? Seen? Felt? Smelled? See above

by **Grip** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:46 pm

Did Olsen refer to being long winded? refer to Jerry as being very short of breath?

by **Balin** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:48 pm

Did Olsen refer to being long winded? refer to Jerry as being very short of breath? This, but the exact thing he wrote is important

by **Grip** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:51 pm

Did Olsen write "You were very short to/with me?"

by **Balin** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:21 pm

Did Olsen write "You were very short to/with me?" No

by **Grip** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:00 am

Did Olson use the word "breath" in what he wrote? the word "mouth?"

by **Balin** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:44 am

Did Olson use the word "breath" in what he wrote? No, but... the word "mouth?" No

by **Grip** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:33 pm

Did Olson use the word "breathing?"

by **Balin** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:46 pm

Did Olson use the word "breathing?" No, but...

by **jumpingjacks** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:25 pm

Did he use the word "short" at all? "panting"? "gasping"? "quick"? "dyspnea"? "breathless"? "inhale"? "exhale"? "difficult"? "difficulty"?

by **Balin** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:37 pm

Did he use the word "short" at all? No, but... "panting"? "gasping"? "quick"? "dyspnea"? "breathless"? "inhale"? "exhale"? "difficult"? "difficulty"? No to rest

by **Grip** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Did he use the word "thin?" "tiny?"

Is this based on real life?

by **Balin** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:13 pm

Did he use the word "thin?" "tiny?" Neither

Is this based on real life? Yes; I also found this on the same thread that produced "Overturned turnovers Part II."

by **Grip** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:16 pm

Did the doctor mention "shortness" of breath? and Jerry thought Olson was saying that Jerry was short to him, as in rude?

by **Balin** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:22 pm

Did the doctor mention "shortness" of breath? He didn't use the word "shortness," but Yes and Jerry thought Olson was saying that Jerry was short to him, as in rude? No, but this is somewhat OTRT

by **Grip** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:53 pm

Do Olson use the word "wind"? "winded?" "air?"

by **Balin** » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:40 pm

Do Olson use the word "wind"? "winded?" "air?" No to all

by **Grip** » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:25 pm

Olson must have a thesaurus, cause he's avoided seemingly every way there is to say "shortness of breath!"

Does he use a clinical term to describe J's shortness of breath? medical terminology?

In J's letter, does he insult Olson? or simply point out that he feels insulted by Olson?

by **Balin** » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:48 pm

Olson must have a thesaurus, cause he's avoided seemingly every way there is to say "shortness of breath!"

The below answers might help. And pay attention to the "but..."s.

Does he use a clinical term to describe J's shortness of breath? medical terminology? Yes

In J's letter, does he insult Olson? Yes, but his note wasn't a letter or simply point out that he feels insulted by Olson?

by **Grip** » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:18 pm

Is J's note written on Olson's note? J's note was also a doctors note? if so, relevant that J has doctors notes?

So Olson used a medical term other than dyspnea?

by **Balin** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:08 am

Is J's note written on Olson's note? Yes J's note was also a doctors note? No if so, relevant that J has doctors notes? No

So Olson used a medical term other than dyspnea? Medical "term" might be the wrong word

by **Grip** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:59 pm

Is sleep apnea relevant?

by **Balin** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:55 am

Is sleep apnea relevant? No

by **Balin** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:34 am

HINT: Olson said that Jerry was "short of breath" without using those words or any synonyms of those words.

by **Grip** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:43 am

Did Olson say Jerry was wheezing? hacking? winded?

by **Balin** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:43 am

Did Olson say Jerry was wheezing? hacking? winded? None of these. Focus on the actual phrase.

by **Grip** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:51 am

Did Olson say Jerry was asthmatic? stertorous?

Did Olson use the word "lack? "irregular?" "labored?"

by **Balin** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:10 am

Did Olson say Jerry was asthmatic? stertorous? Did Olson use the word "lack? "irregular?" "labored?" No to all

by **jumpingjacks** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:45 am

Did he use "SOB" to mean shortness of breath? And Jerry responded, "How dare you, YOU'RE the son of a..."

by **Balin** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:11 pm

Did he use "SOB" to mean shortness of breath? Yes! And Jerry responded, "How dare you, YOU'RE the son of a..." Basically.

****SPOILER****

Something a friend of mine did just post surgery, while still out of his mind on the meds. He doesn't actually remember it, which is why I'm glad I'm there to remind him. I just have to share it here.

One of his doctors had noted on his chart that 'patient is a little s.o.b'

What does my genius friend do in response? He writes 'well **** you too' underneath it, and then spent the next few days dying of embarrassment when someone gently points out to him that it stands for short of breath. Heavy duty painkillers are a wonderful thing.

This is from the same site I got "Overturned turnovers Part II," and I'd taken screenshots of stories I wanted to turn into puzzles from there, but I lost the folder of screenshots when my laptop crashed. Time to hunt them down again...

(Nice job Jackie for the solve and Grip for plenty of tenacity.)

by **Grip** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:19 pm

Good one!

[Balin] Go see the principal Part II

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