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[Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:37 pm

What is unusual about the sentence "Lost big tin pot"?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:50 pm

I don't know, it's your puzzle, you tell us!

Just joking. :)


Is it unusual because it's missing the letter E? is the sentence from the book Gadsby?

Is this related to the sounds that English makes with certain letters?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:20 pm

Is it unusual because it's missing the letter E? No is the sentence from the book Gadsby? No

Is this related to the sounds that English makes with certain letters? No
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:45 pm

Are anagrams relevant? palindromes?

Is the sentence lacking something that is usual? has something added this is not usual?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:23 am

Are anagrams relevant? palindromes? Neither

Is the sentence lacking something that is usual? No has something added this is not usual? Yope
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:33 am

Would this statement still be unusual if it said "small" instead of "big"?

Is something about tin pots unusual?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Zanreo » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:06 am

The order of the words? The specific words used?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:01 pm

Would this statement still be unusual if it said "small" instead of "big"? No

Is something about tin pots unusual? Actual tin pots? No

The order of the words? No The specific words used? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby peter365 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:36 pm

Tin pot was a derogatory term used to describe very dependent and usually African countries . Is this relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:56 pm

Is the length of the specific words relevant?

Is mathematics involved in this?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:35 am

Tin pot was a derogatory term used to describe very dependent and usually African countries . Is this relevant? No

Is the length of the specific words relevant? No

Is mathematics involved in this? No
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby peter365 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:47 am

Are synonyms relevant? Can a specific word precede or follow each word in the sentence to make a phrase?

Would punctuation spoil the effect? Is the sentence unique or just unusual? Scrabble relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:57 am

Is the event described by the sentence relevant? Is it unusual when written? Spoken aloud? Is the actual metal tin relevant? Tin as a word for thin steel?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:14 pm

Are synonyms relevant? No Can a specific word precede or follow each word in the sentence to make a phrase? No, good idea though

Would punctuation spoil the effect? Is the sentence unique or just unusual? The former, but there may be other sentences that work; I'm not sure Scrabble relevant? No

Is the event described by the sentence relevant? No Is it unusual when written? Spoken aloud? Either Is the actual metal tin relevant? No Tin as a word Yes for thin steel? No
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:22 pm

Is what the words look like if you were to spell them backwards relevant?

Is it relevant the sentence has the same basic meaning if you read the words in reverse?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:33 pm

Is what the words look like if you were to spell them backwards relevant? No

Is it relevant the sentence has the same basic meaning if you read the words in reverse? No
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:09 pm

Can it be changed in any way and still retain the relevant unusualness? Are there completely different sentences that have the same kind of unusualness?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:28 pm

Can it be changed in any way and still retain the relevant unusualness? Yes Are there completely different sentences that have the same kind of unusualness? I'm not sure
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:51 pm

Is "lost big tin pots" unusual"? "Lost big tinpot"? "Lost: big tin pot"? Is the unusualness related to: letters? Etymology? Meanings of words? Would it be unusual if written phonetically? Would it be unusual if translated into another language? Is it unusual everywhere? Anytime? In a specific context?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:46 am

Is "lost big tin pots" unusual"? Yes "Lost big tinpot"? No "Lost: big tin pot"? Yes
Is the unusualness related to: letters? This Etymology? Meanings of words?
Would it be unusual if written phonetically? No Would it be unusual if translated into another language? No Is it unusual everywhere? Yes Anytime? Yes In a specific context? No context is relevant
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:21 am

Number of letters in each world relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:43 am

Number of letters in each word relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:04 am

Consonants relevant? Vocals? First letters of words? Last letters? Commonly used letters? Rarely used letters? Scrabble? Other game? Crosswords? Other puzzle? Is it unusual if the words are rearranged? Is "big lost tin pot" unusual? "Tin pot, big; lost"?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby peter365 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:21 am

IS the numeric value of each letter based on its position in the alphabet relevant? When expressed do they express some sort of mathematical series?

I've a kernel of an idea so I'll ask whether Christmas is relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:17 pm

Consonants relevant? Not as much as... Vocals? ...assuming you mean "vowels," yes First letters of words? No Last letters? No Commonly used letters? See above Rarely used letters? No Scrabble? No Other game? No Crosswords? No Other puzzle? Aside from this one, No Is it unusual if the words are rearranged? Yes Is "big lost tin pot" unusual? Yes "Tin pot, big; lost"? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:18 pm

IS the numeric value of each letter based on its position in the alphabet relevant? No When expressed do they express some sort of mathematical series? No

I've a kernel of an idea so I'll ask whether Christmas is relevant? Not this time, sorry
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:04 pm

Is "cost fig rim spot" also unusual? Would words with more than one vowel work? Are other vowels than i and o relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:05 pm

Is "cost fig rim spot" also unusual? No Would words with more than one vowel work? Very unlikely Are other vowels than i and o relevant? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:37 pm

Are all vowels relevant? Mouth movement relevant? Relevant how the letters look when written?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:57 pm

Are all vowels relevant? Yes Mouth movement relevant? No Relevant how the letters look when written? No
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:07 pm

Is it some characteristic of the vowels in the sentence relevant? characteristic of the vowels not used?

Is the sentence one of the shortest or longest sentences using just two vowels? using just I and O?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:32 pm

Is it some characteristic of the vowels in the sentence relevant? Yope characteristic of the vowels not used? Also Yope

Is the sentence one of the shortest or longest sentences using just two vowels? No using just I and O? No
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:32 pm

Perhaps I erred when I said consonants aren't as relevant as vowels. I'm going to change that: both are equally relevant, but in different ways.
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Grip » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:55 pm

Are any other words other than the puzzle sentence relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:57 pm

Are any other words other than the puzzle sentence relevant? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby GalFisk » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:14 am

Is rhyming relevant? Literature? Poetry? Is the sentence unusual regardless of which order the four words are in?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:50 pm

Is rhyming relevant? Literature? Poetry? No to all
Is the sentence unusual regardless of which order the four words are in? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Acridian9 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:48 am

Relevant that those four words still make sense if we change the only vowel with the other vowels? Like big, bag, beg, bog, bug?
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Re: [Balin] Cookery conundrum

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:15 pm

Relevant that those four words still make sense if we change the only vowel with the other vowels? Like big, bag, beg, bog, bug? Not just relevant...

****SPOILER****

All four of the words in that sentence still form common English words if you change the vowel to any other vowel. There may be other words that work, but I don't know them. ("Rim," which was suggested earlier in the puzzle, technically also works, but I didn't know "rem" and "rom" were considered words until I checked, so I wouldn't consider that "common.")

Nice job everyone, particularly Acridian for the solve.
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Re: [Balin] (*SOLVED*) Cookery conundrum

Postby peter365 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:40 pm

Very clever Balin, nice work.
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