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[Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:58 pm

Recently, I had no choice but to engage in tradition. A day later, I had no choice but not to engage in tradition. Why?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:08 pm

Did you engage in the tradition actively? Passively? Did the tradition involve wearing something? Doing something? Having something happen to you?

Were you subject to the same tradition on both days? If not, same questions for tradition #2.

Were you unhappy about having to engage in the tradition on day 1? Day 2?

Is Christmas involved? Birthdays?

Also, slightly disappointed that 'I love sex, let's have sex' wasn't a genuine puzzle - although I wasn't going to click the link at work to find out.
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:46 pm

Is either one an informal tradition? either one a family tradition?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:07 am

Did you engage in the tradition actively? This Passively?
Did the tradition involve wearing something? Doing something? This Having something happen to you?

Were you subject to the same tradition on both days? Yes If not, same questions for tradition #2.

Were you unhappy about having to engage in the tradition on day 1? No Day 2? About not having to on Day 2? No.

Is Christmas involved? Yes Birthdays? No

Also, slightly disappointed that 'I love sex, let's have sex' wasn't a genuine puzzle - although I wasn't going to click the link at work to find out. ...You know what? I feel inspired to try and come up with a puzzle with that title now.

Is either one an informal tradition? No either one a family tradition? No
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:18 am

You know what? I feel inspired to try and come up with a puzzle with that title now Funnily enough, my first round of questions would be quite fitting for a puzzle around that theme. Oh dear.

Does the tradition involve eating and/or drinking? Gift-giving? Decorating? Party/parlour games? Singing? Religious participation? Snow?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:28 am

Funnily enough, my first round of questions would be quite fitting for a puzzle around that theme. Oh dear. Save 'em, ask 'em again!

Does the tradition involve eating and/or drinking? Gift-giving? Decorating? Party/parlour games? Singing? Yes Religious participation? Yesish Snow? No
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:34 am

Did you have to sing on Day 1? Christmas carols? door to door? at church? at work? at home?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:21 am

Did you have to sing on Day 1? Yes but "singing" isn't the tradition itself Christmas carols? It's generally considered a Christmas song door to door? No at church? Yes, on Day 1 at work? No at home? No
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Postby Grip » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:45 am

Day 1 - does the song you sang use the word "Christmas?" in the lyrics? are you in the choir? denomination or lack of one of the church relevant? is the tradition singing to a specific group? specific person? a specific song?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:32 am

Day 1 - does the song you sang use the word "Christmas?" No in the lyrics? No are you in the choir? I sang in the church's choir, Yes. I don't attend that church regularly, though, but that's irrel denomination or lack of one of the church relevant? No
is the tradition singing to a specific group? No specific person? No a specific song? The tradition involves a specific song, Yes
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:27 am

Again, all Day 1 - Was there any sort of visual performance going on as you sang? a reenactment?

Relevant what register you sang in? if so, baritone?

Is the song you sang "God Rest ye Merry Gentleman?" "Little Drummer Boy?" "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing?"
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Postby Balin » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:57 pm

Again, all Day 1 - Was there any sort of visual performance going on as you sang? No a reenactment? No

Relevant what register you sang in? No if so, baritone? Tenor, but irrel

Is the song you sang "God Rest ye Merry Gentleman?" "Little Drummer Boy?" "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing?" None of these
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:36 pm

Was the song "Do You Hear What I Hear?"

Was there any singing as part of what you could not participate in on Day 2?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:53 pm

Was the song "Do You Hear What I Hear?" No

Was there any singing as part of what you could not participate in on Day 2? Yope
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:27 am

Was the song "Silent Night?"

Time of day when this tradition occurred on Day 1 relevant? Day 2?

Did you do any dancing in Day 1? wear a costume? wear robes? a tie?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:33 am

Was your choice the day later caused by your participation during the first day? Did you lose your voice? Experience some other issue with your body? Or mind? Did anyone participate in the tradition on the second day? If so,relevant who?
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Postby Balin » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:50 pm

Was the song "Silent Night?" No

Time of day when this tradition occurred on Day 1 relevant? Day 2? No to both

Did you do any dancing in Day 1? wear a costume? wear robes? a tie? No to all

Was your choice the day later caused by your participation during the first day? No Did you lose your voice? Experience some other issue with your body? Or mind? No to all
Did anyone participate in the tradition on the second day? No If so,relevant who?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:19 pm

Any relevant cooking on Day 2?

Day 1 song - Away in a Manger?

Location of church relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:16 pm

Any relevant cooking on Day 2? No

Day 1 song - Away in a Manger? No (and I'll add that the Day 1 and Day 2 songs are the same song)

Location of church relevant? No

HINT: I didn't say "it's a Christmas song." I say "it is considered a Christmas song." I would not consider it one.
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:13 pm

Hmmm...so the song is considered a Christmas song...but is not sung more at Christmas? is not typically found in the repertoire of Christmas songs?

Was the song humorous in nature? solemn? religious theme?

Any other holidays around Christmas time relevant?

Day 2 tradition - was it done indoors? outdoors? both?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:25 am

Hmmm...so the song is considered a Christmas song...but is not sung more at Christmas? No; I'm saying it wasn't originally a Christmas song, and there are people (myself included) who don't consider it a Christmas song, but... is not typically found in the repertoire of Christmas songs? ...it is often found in the Christmas repertoire.

Was the song humorous in nature? No solemn? No religious theme? Yes

Any other holidays around Christmas time relevant? No

Day 2 traditionDay 2 tradition and Day 1 tradition are the same - was it done indoors? Yope outdoors? Yope both?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:23 am

Oops, meant to and should have said just "Day 2" and not "Day 2 tradition."

Is the song joyful? "Hallelujah?" was it sung in English? does it reference the Nativity?

Is weather relevant?

Is this tradition one that requires going in and out of buildings? travel? is it done door to door? is the church but one place where it is performed in a day? is it performed over two days? more?
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:07 am

Did you want to sing this song on day 1? Day 2? Did anyone else relevantly have no choice in this matter on day 1? Day 2?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:09 pm

Is the song joyful? Yes "Hallelujah?" The "Hallelujah Chorus"? Yes. was it sung in English? Yes does it reference the Nativity? No

Is weather relevant? No

Is this tradition one that requires going in and out of buildings? No travel? No is it done door to door? No
is the church but one place where it is performed in a day? See above is it performed over two days? more?

Did you want to sing this song on day 1? Yes Day 2? Irrel Did anyone else relevantly have no choice in this matter on day 1? Yes Day 2? No
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Postby Grip » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:37 pm

Was the tradition done in the same place as Day 1 on Day 2?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:09 pm

(Not a question, just want to mention that "Hallelujah" and "The Hallelujah Chorus" are not necessarily the same thing. The Leonard Cohen/Rufus Wainwright/Jeff Buckley (etc). song "Hallelujah" is by no means a Christmas song, though there have been new lyrics written to the same tune that definitely center more on Christmas. I have a feeling that is what Grip meant.)

"Hallelujah" lyrics http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/leonardc ... lujah.html

"A Hallelujah Christmas" lyrics http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/cloverto ... stmas.html
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:39 pm

Thanks for the info! That is what I was thinking of, but it worked out anyway. :)
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:59 am

Was the tradition done in the same place as Day 1 on Day 2? No
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:01 am

Not a question, just want to mention that "Hallelujah" and "The Hallelujah Chorus" are not necessarily the same thing. I knew that; I sang both at different times in high school.
The Leonard Cohen/Rufus Wainwright/Jeff Buckley (etc). song "Hallelujah" is by no means a Christmas song, though there have been new lyrics written to the same tune that definitely center more on Christmas. I have a feeling that is what Grip meant. I had not heard that version; thanks!
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Postby Grip » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:25 am

Is the different location on Day 2 what kept you from participating?

Is the Web relevant?

This tradition, is it a special service? sermon? ceremony?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:38 pm

Is the different location on Day 2 what kept you from participating? Yes

Is the Web relevant? No

This tradition, is it a special service? sermon? ceremony? No to all
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:57 pm

Was the location on Day 2 also a church?

Was the tradition done in an outside enclosure on either day?
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Postby Balin » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:44 pm

Was the location on Day 2 also a church? No

Was the tradition done in an outside enclosure on either day? No on Day 1, Noish on Day 2
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Postby Grip » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:21 pm

Does the tradition involve moving around? is the singing done while moving around?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:26 pm

Does the tradition involve moving around? Yope! is the singing done while moving around? No
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Postby Grip » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:35 pm

Is transportation of any kind relevant?

Are parades relevant?
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Postby Balin » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:19 pm

Is transportation of any kind relevant? No

Are parades relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:08 pm

Is there any relevant musical accompaniment to the singing? are bells relevant?

Are acoustics relevant? sore throats?

Was there a physical reason you could not participate in Day 2? were you not there at all? was there a mental reason?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:50 pm

Is there any relevant musical accompaniment to the singing? The usual accompaniment. It was at church so there was an organ, a trumpet... are bells relevant? No

Are acoustics relevant? No sore throats? No

Was there a physical reason you could not participate in Day 2? Yes, good q were you not there at all? Where? was there a mental reason? No
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Postby Grip » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:46 pm

On Day 1, did you play any of the instruments?

Clarifying...on Day 2, where you not there where the tradition was being done at all? or you were there but just could not participate?

On Day 2, did you have a physical malady? an illness? broken bone(s)?

Are outdoor arenas relevant? outdoors stages?
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Postby Balin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:24 pm

On Day 1, did you play any of the instruments? I sang

Clarifying...on Day 2, where you not there where the tradition was being done at all? The tradition was not being done at all on Day 2 or you were there but just could not participate? Yes

On Day 2, did you have a physical malady? an illness? broken bone(s)? No to all

Are outdoor arenas relevant? outdoors stages? Neither
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:00 pm

Is all you did on Day 1 is sing?

BTW, the at all was directed at you not being there at all, not that the tradition was not being done on Day 2 at all. If that makes any sense...

On Day 2, did you watch the tradition? or were you at the location but doing something else?

Is TV relevant?
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Postby Balin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:53 pm

Is all you did on Day 1 is sing? As part of a church choir, Yes

BTW, the at all was directed at you not being there at all, not that the tradition was not being done on Day 2 at all. If that makes any sense... I think I get it...

On Day 2, did you watch the tradition? No or were you at the location but doing something else? The only relevant Day 2 location is where I was, so Yes

Is TV relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:11 pm

Is where you were on Day 2 separate from where the tradition occurred?

Was the Day 2 tradition done by the same people (sans you, of course) from Day 1?
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Postby Balin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:41 am

Is where you were on Day 2 separate from where the tradition occurred? The tradition did not occur at all on Day 2

Was the Day 2 tradition done by the same people (sans you, of course) from Day 1? No
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:51 am

Did anyone originally plan for it to occur on day 2? Could it have been possible for it to occur on day 2?
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Postby Balin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:01 pm

Did anyone originally plan for it to occur on day 2? "It" = the tradition? No Could it have been possible for it to occur on day 2? Under the circumstances, No
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:35 pm

HINT: What tradition is associated with the Hallelujah Chorus?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:48 am

Ah, is the tradition referred to in the title not a/the traditional singing of the Chorus, but the tradition of everyone standing during it?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:26 am

Ah, is the tradition referred to in the title not a/the traditional singing of the Chorus, but the tradition of everyone standing during it? YES.

So why couldn't I stand the second time?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:25 am

Were you drunk? Were you stuck? Was the ceiling too low? Were you in a vehicle? On a rollercoaster? On a ship in a storm? Were you strapped in? Was there nothing to stand on? Were you in water? In a hammock? On a carousel? In danger? In a trench? Sick? In shock? Tied to your shoelaces? Weighed down? On the toilet? On a chairlift? Would it be dangerous to stand? Impossible? Stupid? Inconsiderate?
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Re: [Balin] Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake"

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:10 pm

Were you in a vehicle? This, and

****SPOILER****

One Sunday this December, I joined with my sister's church choir in singing the Hallelujah Chorus. As is tradition, the congregation stood during the song, and the choir also stood to perform it. The next day, I heard the song while driving my car, in which circumstances I could obviously not stand up.
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Re: [Balin] (*SOLVED*) Not "bopping someone with a fruitcake

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:11 pm

Good one, B!
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