[GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

[GalFisk]

The first is a virtue, making thing more pleasant.
The second is a vice, with dire consequences.
The third is a practical consideration, for the sake of efficiency.

Can these three together make something never seen before?

[Grip]

Virtue - love? kindness? hope? cleanliness?

Vice - smoking? drinking too much? envy? laziness? carelessness?

Are the three related in any way?

[Zanreo]

Is a person with the virtue relevant? With the vice? If so, is this the same person with both the virtue and vice?
More pleasant: For whoever has the virtue? For others? For something else?
Consequences: For whoever has the vice? For others? For something else?

[GalFisk]

Virtue - love? kindness? hope? cleanliness? No to all.

Vice - smoking? drinking too much? envy? laziness? carelessness? No to all.

Are the three related in any way? Yope.

Is a person with the virtue relevant? [b]Noish.[/b] With the vice? No. If so, is this the same person with both the virtue and vice? Yope.
More pleasant: For whoever has the virtue? For others? This. For something else?
Consequences: For whoever has the vice? For others? For something else? [b]Everyone.[/b]

[Grip]

Are animals relevant?

[GalFisk]

Are animals relevant? No.

[emeraldink]

Are any of these relevant:

Stunt doubles
2-player teams ( cops, tennisists, dancers, horse / rider )
Twins
Inner ego
Body / mind
Enchanted <anything>
Ghosts
Doppelgangers
Hidden meaning ( literal / figurative )
Substitute teachers?

[GalFisk]

Are any of these relevant:

Stunt doubles
2-player teams ( cops, tennisists, dancers, horse / rider )
Twins
Inner ego
Body / mind
Enchanted <anything>
Ghosts
Doppelgangers
Hidden meaning ( literal / figurative )
Substitute teachers?
No.

[Grip]

Is the vice one that can land you in jail?

Is the virtue charity? cleanliness?

[GalFisk]

Is the vice one that can land you in jail? No (except severe cases which has no relation to the puzzle case).

Is the virtue charity? No. cleanliness? No. Cleanliness is closer though.

[Zanreo]

Virtue: being healthy? Hygiene?

[GalFisk]

Virtue: being healthy? Hygiene? No to both.

[emeraldink]

Is word "fastidious" relevant?

[GalFisk]

Is word "fastidious" relevant? No.

[emeraldink]

Something like "ethical hacking"?

[GalFisk]

Something like "ethical hacking"? No, thought I'd like to make such a puzzle some time.

[Grip]

Is the virtue keeping up a neat appearance?

[GalFisk]

Is the virtue keeping up a neat appearance? Yes, explore.

[Grip]

Is the virtue taking care of ones physical appearance? if so, more in general? or more specifically in how one dresses?

[GalFisk]

Is the virtue taking care of ones physical appearance? No, but... if so, more in general? No. or more specifically in how one dresses? No, but something else specific.

[Grip]

Is the virtue related to preventing diseases? is it related to moderation in something?

[GalFisk]

Is the virtue related to preventing diseases? is it related to moderation in something? No to both.

[Grip]

Does the vice involve gambling?

[GalFisk]

Does the vice involve gambling? No.

[Grip]

Does the virtue involve how one smells?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue involve how one smells? No.

[Grip]

Is the virtue just overall taking care of ones physical self?

Does the vice involved food? drink? hurting other people? something gross? sloth? quick temper? envy? greed? lack of temperance?

[GalFisk]

Is the virtue just overall taking care of ones physical self?
No.
Does the vice involved food? drink? hurting other people? No to all. something gross? Noish. sloth? quick temper? envy? greed? lack of temperance? No to the rest.

[RedWine]

Is the virtue exercising? Performing a specific sport?
Can anyone have this virtue? Is it visible at a first glance if someone has the virtue?

[GalFisk]

Is the virtue exercising? Performing a specific sport? No to both.
Can anyone have this virtue? In general, yes, but not in this specific way. Is it visible at a first glance if someone has the virtue? Depends.

[Grip]

Does the virtue involve big muscles?

Is the vice's "dire consequences" death? is a vehicle involved?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue involve big muscles? No.
Is the vice's "dire consequences" death? No(ish). is a vehicle involved? They are part of the picture.

[Grip]

Is the vice being reckless in general? driving too fast in a car?

Does the virtue involve hair?

[RedWine]

Is the virtue performed on oneself? On someone else? Does it require a tangible item to perform?

[GalFisk]

Is the vice being reckless in general? driving too fast in a car? No to both.

Does the virtue involve hair? No.


Is the virtue performed on oneself? On someone else? No to both. Does it require a tangible item to perform? Yes.

[RedWine]

Does the virtue concern the external look of things (as opposed to people)? Does the virtue have to do with tidying?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue concern the external look of things (as opposed to people)? Yes. Does the virtue have to do with tidying? Noish.

[RedWine]

Does the virtue concernt the external look of one specific thing? A group of things? Things in general? Does it have to do with painting? With placing things in order?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue concernt the external look of one specific thing? Yesish. A group of things? Technically yes, but nobody Thinks of it like that. Things in general? Noish. Does it have to do with painting? With placing things in order? No to both.

[RedWine]

Does the virtue concern a house? A car? An office? A desk? Does it involve cleaning? Does it involve refraining from something rather than doing something?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue concern a house? A car? An office? A desk? Does it involve cleaning? Does it involve refraining from something rather than doing something? No to all.

[Grip]

Does the virtue concern being organized?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue concern being organized? No.

[RedWine]

Does the virtue concern a computer? Does it concern one's job? One's leisure? One's family life?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue concern a computer? No. Does it concern one's job? The person who performs it does his or her job. One's leisure? It affects other people's leisure. One's family life? No.

[Grip]

The job = is it related to the hospitality industry?

[GalFisk]

The job = is it related to the hospitality industry? No.

[RedWine]

Does the virtue have to do with food? With natural environment? With travelling?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue have to do with food? With natural environment? This. With travelling?

[RedWine]

Does the virtue have to do with air? ground? water? plants? animals? landscapes? Does it involve transportation? Noise? Power sources?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue have to do with air? ground? This. water? plants? This. animals? landscapes? And this. Does it involve transportation? Noise? Power sources? It is often done using a noisy power source.

[RedWine]

Does the virtue involve planting plants? Cutting down trees? Digging in the ground? Coal mining relevant? Other substances mining?

[GalFisk]

Does the virtue involve planting plants? Cutting down trees? Digging in the ground? Coal mining relevant? Other substances mining? No to all.

[RedWine]

Is the virtue performed with a machine? a vehicle? Are flowers relevant?

[Grip]

Is the virtue cutting your yard?

[GalFisk]

the virtue performed with a machine? Yes. a vehicle? Often, yes.Are flowers relevant? Yes, though they are not part of the virtue itself.

Is the virtue cutting your yard? Not your yard, but otherwise yes.

[Grip]

The virtue is cutting, but not ones yard? is it cutting grass in public areas?

[GalFisk]

The virtue is cutting, but not ones yard? is it cutting grass in public areas? Correct. The virtue is the city keeping the grass in public areas short and neat.

[Grip]

Is the vice also related to public areas?

[GalFisk]

Is the vice also related to public areas? No.

[RedWine]

Is the vice "performed" by the city too? by society in general? by government? Does it have to do with plants? animals? buildings? transportation?

[GalFisk]

Is the vice "performed" by the city too? by society in general? This. by government? They affect it. Does it have to do with plants? animals? It affects them. buildings? Indirectly. transportation? Yes, but not only this.

[Grip]

Is the vice littering?

[GalFisk]

Is the vice littering? No, but OTRT.

[Grip]

Is the vice polluting? making lots of noise?

[GalFisk]

Is the vice polluting? Yesish, specifically... making lots of noise? No.

[Grip]

Polluting the air? water? dumping toxic waste?

[GalFisk]

Polluting the air? Only this. water? dumping toxic waste?

[RedWine]

Is polluting the air relevant in general? Does the vice concern something specific about polluting the air? Is it relevant that some types of lawn mowers also pollute the air?

[GalFisk]

Is polluting the air relevant in general? Hope. Does the vice concern something specific about polluting the air? Yes. Is it relevant that some types of lawn mowers also pollute the air? Not really.

[RedWine]

Does the vice concern polluting the air by a specific action? By using certain equipment? Does the vice concern polluting the air with certain substance? Are greenhouse gases relevant to this puzzle? Is global warming relevant to this puzzle?

[GalFisk]

Does the vice concern polluting the air by a specific action? By using certain equipment? Does the vice concern polluting the air with certain substance? See next. Are greenhouse gases relevant to this puzzle? Is global warming relevant to this puzzle? Yes to both. The vice is raising the CO2 levels, leading to warmer climate.

[Grip]

Is plant growth relevant?

[RedWine]

Are cows relevant to this puzzle?

[GalFisk]

Is plant growth relevant? Yes.

Are cows relevant to this puzzle?No.

[Grip]

Is the practical consideration how to deal with higher grass growth? is the something new a different type of lawnmower?

[GalFisk]

Is the practical consideration how to deal with higher grass growth? is the something new a different type of lawnmower? No to both.

[RedWine]

Are other types of plants than grass relevant? Is frequency of lawnmowing a factor in this puzzle? Does the practical consideration concern grass? Mowing? CO2? Global warming? Leisure?

[GalFisk]

Are other types of plants than grass relevant? Yes. Is frequency of lawnmowing a factor in this puzzle? Yes. Does the practical consideration concern grass? Mowing? Both of these, indirectly. No to the rest.CO2? Global warming? Leisure?

[Grip]

Something never seen before = new type of plant(s)?

[GalFisk]

Something never seen before = new type of plant(s)? Yes, DOYD of "type".

[RedWine]

Is new species of plants involved? Perhaps a species that would grow slowlier than grass? Is moss relevant?

[GalFisk]

Is new species of plants involved? Yes. Perhaps a species that would grow slowlier than grass? Definitely not. Is moss relevant? No.

[Grip]

A species that would mow itself?

A species that would grow faster than grass?

[GalFisk]

A species that would mow itself? Haha, no.

A species that would grow faster than grass? Existing relevant species already do that.

[Grip]

A species of plant that eats grass? species of grass that grows faster than grass typically does now?

[RedWine]

A species that would use more carbon dioxide as they grow? A species that would not need mowing? A species that would be useful after having been mowed?

[GalFisk]

A species of plant that eats grass? species of grass that grows faster than grass typically does now? No to both.


A species that would use more carbon dioxide as they grow? A species that would not need mowing? A species that would be useful after having been mowed? No to all.

[RedWine]

Does the efficiency in puzzle sentence pertain to grass mowing? grass growing? air pollution? global warming? greenhouse gases?

[GalFisk]

Does the efficiency in puzzle sentence pertain to grass mowing? This. grass growing? air pollution? global warming? greenhouse gases?

[Grip]

Is the practical consideration to let the grass grow and not mow at all? (Weedy and overgrown lawns/public areas were somewhat trendy in the distant past.) not mow to save time? money? work?

[RedWine]

Does the efficiency mean that grass is mown faster? less frequently? not at all? that more grass is mown at once?

[GalFisk]

Is the practical consideration to let the grass grow and not mow at all? Yope. (Weedy and overgrown lawns/public areas were somewhat trendy in the distant past.) Not like this though. not mow to save time? money? work? All of these, but mostly Money.

Does the efficiency mean that grass is mown faster? less frequently? No. not at all? Yope, explore. that more grass is mown at once? No.

[RedWine]

Does the practical consideration involve replacing grass with something else (possibly something that does not require mowing)? Is there a type of plant that does not grow over certain size?

[GalFisk]

Does the practical consideration involve replacing grass with something else (possibly something that does not require mowing)? No. Is there a type of plant that does not grow over certain size? No.

[RedWine]

Is cutting the grass with other tools than lawnmowers relevant? Are details of lawnmowing relevant (as: how many people do this, for how long, in which direction etc.)?

[GalFisk]

Is cutting the grass with other tools than lawnmowers relevant? Are details of lawnmowing relevant (as: how many people do this, for how long, in which direction etc.)? No to all.

[RedWine]

If the efficiency means that grass is not mown at all, is it then let to grow freely? Is it somehow kept from reaching certain size? Is there then no grass at all?

[GalFisk]

If the efficiency means that grass is not mown at all, is it then let to grow freely? Yesish, watch out for FA. Is it somehow kept from reaching certain size? Yope, explore. Is there then no grass at all? There is grass.

[Grip]

Are vines also relevant? weeds? flowers?

Is shaping and cutting grass sans a lawnmower relevant? new invention relevant?

[GalFisk]

Are vines also relevant? weeds? No to both. flowers? Yes.

Is shaping and cutting grass sans a lawnmower relevant? Just cutting it short. new invention relevant? No.

[RedWine]

Are there flowers along with grass? When the grass is mown, are flowers cut too?

[GalFisk]

Are there flowers along with grass? When the grass is mown, are flowers cut too? Yes to both.

[RedWine]

Does anything else happen to flowers than to grass? Are there kids interested with picking up flowers? Had there been more flowers, would there be no need to mow the grass?

[GalFisk]

Does anything else happen to flowers than to grass? Well, mowed flowers are more useless than mowed grass. Are there kids interested with picking up flowers? No/irr. Had there been more flowers, would there be no need to mow the grass? Unknown/irr

[RedWine]

Is it relevant that flowers growing on grass usually do not grow so high as the grass? Are people more likely to leisure on flowery surface than just grass? Does many people leisuring on flowery surface keep the grass and flowers low so that it does not need to be mowed?

[GalFisk]

Is it relevant that flowers growing on grass usually do not grow so high as the grass? No, but... Are people more likely to leisure on flowery surface than just grass? No. Does many people leisuring on flowery surface keep the grass and flowers low so that it does not need to be mowed? No.

[RedWine]

Is the idea of self-mowing grass relevant at all? In the "efficient" scenario, would the grass not need mowing?

[GalFisk]

Is the idea of self-mowing grass relevant at all? No. In the "efficient" scenario, would the grass not need mowing? Correct.

[Grip]

Is the efficient aspect related to grass and flowers staying so short that they don't need to be mowed?

[GalFisk]

Is the efficient aspect related to grass Yes. and flowers No or FA. staying so short that they don't need to be mowed? Correct.

[RedWine]

Do flowers increase the efficiency? Decrease? Are flowers neutral to the eficiency? Would the grass be kept short by humans? by animals? by a natural process?

[GalFisk]

Do flowers increase the efficiency? Decrease? Are flowers neutral to the eficiency? This. Would the grass be kept short by humans? When it is being mown, this. y animals? by a natural process? When not, this.

[RedWine]

Are flowers relevant to the natural process of keeping the grass short? Do they relevantly drain water? Do they relevantly absorb what the grass needs to grow? Do they attract grass-eaters? Can the natural process be started by humans?

[GalFisk]

Are flowers relevant to the natural process of keeping the grass short? No. Do they relevantly drain water? Do they relevantly absorb what the grass needs to grow? Do they attract grass-eaters? No to all. Can the natural process be started by humans? No.

[kalira]

Is the practical consideration just letting (wild) animals "mow" the grass by eating it? Making for less CO2 emissions from mowers?

[GalFisk]

Is the practical consideration just letting (wild) animals "mow" the grass by eating it? No. Making for less CO2 emissions from mowers? This is not why it's practical.

[RedWine]

Would the grass earlier die from lack of water or sun exposure than it would grow that high it needs to be mowed?

[GalFisk]

Would the grass earlier die from lack of water No. or sun exposure Noish but OTRT. than it would grow that high it needs to be mowed? Correct.

[Grip]

Is grass dying from lack of sunlight relevant?

[GalFisk]

Is grass dying from lack of sunlight relevant? No.

[Hobbsicle]

So the practical consideration involves letting a natural cause happen?
And the natural cause kills the grass?
If so, does it die related to the climate change? To weather? To a chemical of some kind? By other plants?
Does this practical consideration involve grass in a certain place? A certain type of place? Or just grass generally?
Would the new species be a new species of grass? A new species of flowers?

[GalFisk]

So the practical consideration involves letting a natural cause happen? Yes.
And the natural cause kills the grass? Eventually.
If so, does it die related to the climate change? To weather? This only. To a chemical of some kind? By other plants?
Does this practical consideration involve grass in a certain place? A certain type of place? This. Or just grass generally?
Would the new species be a new species of grass? A new species of flowers? This.

[Hobbsicle]

Does it die due to temperature? Hot? Cold? Normal season change? Wind? Rain? Hail? Ice?
Would the new species arrive by evolution/adaptation? Would it be stronger? More resilient?

[GalFisk]

Does it die due to temperature? Yes. Hot? Cold? This. Normal season change? Yes(ish). Wind? Rain? Hail? Ice?
Would the new species arrive by evolution/adaptation? Yes. Would it be stronger? No. More resilient? No.

[Hobbsicle]

Is the grass in consideration in colder climates? Or higher altitude?
Is there a specific relevant flower type that will be evolving? Or flowers in general (at these relevant locations)?

[GalFisk]

Is the grass in consideration in colder climates? Or higher altitude? Anywhere with a grass-killing winter works.
Is there a specific relevant flower type that will be evolving? Yes. Or flowers in general (at these relevant locations)? Other flowers might also.

[Hobbsicle]

Ok, so to back up a bit, we have the first being mowing grass, the second being pollution causing climate change, and the third being letting the grass die in winter? And all of these things together might produce a new type of flower?
Would the flower thrive when the grass doesn't? Are there flowers already present in the grass that you're thinking of? Would they be negatively affected by the three things? Would they have a shorter lifecycle?

[GalFisk]

Ok, so to back up a bit, we have the first being mowing grass Yes., the second being pollution causing climate change Yes., and the third being letting the grass die in winter? More like "not mowing it anymore once it stops growing". And all of these things together might produce a new type of flower? Yesish - a separate species.
Would the flower thrive when the grass doesn't? Yes. Are there flowers already present in the grass that you're thinking of? Yes. Would they be negatively affected by the three things? They are negatively affected by the grass being mowed. Would they have a shorter lifecycle? No.

[kalira]

WAG: does this have anything to do with dandelions? bees?

[GalFisk]

WAG: does this have anything to do with dandelions? bees? No to both.

[Hobbsicle]

Would the new species grow only (or also) in cold weather when it would not be mowed down?
And climate change is relevant because it could cause some areas to have harsher or longer winters?
Or perhaps the warmer winters still kill the grass, but allow the flowers to grow?

[GalFisk]

Would the new species grow only (or also) in cold weather when it would not be mowed down? It would grow only after the mowing ended for the year.
And climate change is relevant because it could cause some areas to have harsher or longer winters? No.
Or perhaps the warmer winters still kill the grass, but allow the flowers to grow? No, the flowers will also die eventually.
I may have inadvertently caused an FA. To clear it, a hint: after global warming, the mowing stops not when the grass stops growing, but...

[Hobbsicle]

The relevant effects of global warming: increased temperatures during winter? Increased temperatures generally? Floods? Plants dying? People dying?

Is there a relevant attribute of the current flowers? If so, where it grows? How fast it grows? When it grows? Lifespan? Size? Shape? Color?

[biograd]

When you say the three things might "produce" a new species of flower, do you mean that they could select for the evolution of different behavior in some species of flower (such that growth and reproduction is optimized under the new human-imposed conditions)? or that the conditions will lead humans to choose to plant a different type of flower there?

[GalFisk]

The relevant effects of global warming: increased temperatures during winter? Thisish - shorter winter. Increased temperatures generally? Floods? Plants dying? People dying? No to the rest.

Is there a relevant attribute of the current flowers? Yes. If so, where it grows? Yes. How fast it grows? No. When it grows? Yes. Lifespan? Noish. Size? Yesish. Shape? Color? No to both.

When you say the three things might "produce" a new species of flower, do you mean that they could select for the evolution of different behavior in some species of flower (such that growth and reproduction is optimized under the new human-imposed conditions)? Yes. or that the conditions will lead humans to choose to plant a different type of flower there? No.

[Hobbsicle]

It grows in the grass, correct? Is there another relevant aspect to where it grows? Like type of location? Or proximity to something else?
Are they perennials? Do they grow in spring and summer? Die back in the fall and winter?
Are they taller than the grass? Shorter? Same height? Is there more relevance to their size?

[GalFisk]

It grows in the grass, correct? Yes. Is there another relevant aspect to where it grows? Like type of location? Or proximity to something else? Only that some of them try to grow in grass that is being cut all summer.
Are they perennials? Yes. Do they grow in spring and summer? Normally in the first half of summer.Die back in the fall and winter? Yes, normally.
Are they taller than the grass? Yes, this is relevant. Shorter? Same height? Is there more relevance to their size? No.

[Hobbsicle]

So in this new scenario, the grass is being cut nearly all year, because of shorter winters, and is only not being cut in whatever small amount of winter is left. This correct?

And so the flower is almost always being cut such that it never blooms? Would the new species only bloom in that small amount of winter? Is the grass only not being mowed when there is snow? So it becomes a snow flower?

[GalFisk]

So in this new scenario, the grass is being cut nearly all year, because of shorter winters, and is only not being cut in whatever small amount of winter is left. This correct? No, because...

And so the flower is almost always being cut such that it never blooms? Not "never", but OTRT. Would the new species only bloom in that small amount of winter? It would bloom just before winter. Is the grass only not being mowed when there is snow? No, it is also relevantly not mowed when there is no snow. So it becomes a snow flower? No.

[Hobbsicle]

In the new scenario, is the grass even being cut at all? Is the grass even still present? Do they stop mowing because of the flowers?

[GalFisk]

In the new scenario, is the grass even being cut at all? Is the grass even still present? Yes to both. Do they stop mowing because of the flowers? No.

[Hobbsicle]

Whew, trying to keep the details straight here

Ok, so in this new scenario, there are still people? Still grass? Still flowers in the grass?
The people still mow the grass during the warmer months? Presumably to make things look nice still (the virtue)? And this keeps the flowers from growing? Or at least blooming? Because they are taller than the grass?
Global warming (the vice) has caused shorter winters? And at some point, approaching winter, they stop mowing (practical consideration)? But not just when the grass stops growing? Before the grass stops growing? Do they stop mowing at the same time of year as before? Which leaves a gap for the flowers to grow?

[GalFisk]

Ok, so in this new scenario, there are still people? Still grass? Still flowers in the grass?
The people still mow the grass during the warmer months? Presumably to make things look nice still (the virtue)? And this keeps the flowers from growing? Or at least blooming? Because they are taller than the grass?
Global warming (the vice) has caused shorter winters? And at some point, approaching winter, they stop mowing (practical consideration)? But not just when the grass stops growing? Before the grass stops growing? Do they stop mowing at the same time of year as before? Which leaves a gap for the flowers to grow?

Yes to all, and good enough for the SPOILER:
The bureaucracy dictates that mowing of parks and other public grass should end in the beginning of october. If winters keep being as mild as this one, and bureaucracy as tenuously connected to reality as always, this will give bluebells a chance to flower on public grass in the autumn, while those in wild grass flower during summer. If the october bluebells only get to pollinate other late bloomers, we may get two separate species.
I'm no botanist and have no idea if this is likely to happen, but last year was the first time I saw bluebells in october.

[Hobbsicle]

Aha. I should have thought about the regulated cut-off time earlier, but I didn't come up with it until halfway through that final post.

I'm no botanist either, so makes sense to me.