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Postby Admin » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:40 am

They tried to help but he died with a clean soul and a clean face.
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:53 pm

He = HAM? Did he "die" in the usual sense?
Were "they" a group of people? Relevant how many? Did they try to save his life? Would he also have died if they hadn't tried to help?
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Postby Balin » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:24 pm

Did the clean face cause his death? The clean soul? The attempt at help?
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Postby trebor » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:59 pm

A clean face: his own, physical face? A clock/watch face?
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Postby Admin » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:19 pm

Lemon Curry

He = HAM?
YES

Did he "die" in the usual sense?
YES

Were "they" a group of people?
YES

Relevant how many?
YES

Did they try to save his life?
YES

Would he also have died if they hadn't tried to help?
YES AND NO
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby Admin » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:21 pm

BALIN,

Did the clean face cause his death? The clean soul? The attempt at help?
YES, NO, YES

TREBOR

A clean face: his own, physical face? A clock/watch face?
YES, NO
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:18 pm

Is his skin color relevant? Would he live if his face was: greasy? Hidden? Painted in another color? Painted white? Camouflage relevant? Was he killed intentionally? Accidentally? By a human? Animal? Weapon?
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Postby trebor » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:17 am

Is the time period relevant? The location?

Do "they" share a common profession? If so, is it somewhere in the medical field?
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Postby Admin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:01 am

Galfisk,

Is his skin color relevant?
NO

Would he live if his face was: greasy? Hidden? Painted in another color? Painted white?
DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THESE. DEPENDS WHEN IN THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. PROBABLE ANSWER IS NO.

Camouflage relevant?
NO

Was he killed intentionally? Accidentally? By a human? Animal? Weapon?
NO, YES, HUMAN
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Postby Admin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:02 am

TREBOR,

Is the time period relevant? The location?
YES, YES

Do "they" share a common profession?
SOME DO

If so, is it somewhere in the medical field?
YES
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:52 pm

Was he sick before he died? Or injured? Did they clean his face? Is an operation relevant? A face transplant? Is his face cleaned from: dirt? Blood? Sweat? Germs?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:36 pm

Was it the process they used to clean his face that killed him? Or maybe just the fact that it was clean? Maybe this isn't answerable, but: if his face had never been dirty, would he have died?

Did cleaning his face make it more visible? Did it remove something that kept him alive?
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Postby Admin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:56 pm

Galfisk,

Was he sick before he died? Or injured?
YES, YES

Did they clean his face?
YES

Is an operation relevant?
NOT EXACTLY AN OPERATION

A face transplant?
NO

Is his face cleaned from: dirt? Blood? Sweat? Germs?
YES BUT
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:56 pm

Was a substance used to clean his face? A cloth of some time? A liquid used for cleaning?

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Postby Admin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:59 pm

IRISH,

Was it the process they used to clean his face that killed him?
INDIRECTLY YES

Or maybe just the fact that it was clean?
YES

Maybe this isn't answerable, but: if his face had never been dirty, would he have died?
PLEASE REPHRASE

Did cleaning his face make it more visible?
IRRELEVANT

Did it remove something that kept him alive?
YES
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:05 am

Was he bleeding? Had he broken something? Did the cleaning make him bleed more? Did the cleaning fail to kill relevant microbes? Did he succumb to an infection? Bleeding? Blood clot? Were they administering first aid? Dressing wounds? Getting an overview of his injuries? Was he burned? Did he suffer from any medical condition not caused by the injuries?
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:53 am

Thanks, Balin! I've lurked in the shadows of this (and the previous) forum for years, off and on, but was never certain I'd consistently have the time to devote to actually becoming a member. Then I realized how much time I spend getting lost down the rabbit hole of YouTube, looking up videos of people falling down or whatever, and concluded that I could spare some of those minutes for something I actually like and find interesting. Although some of those videos are pretty funny.

As his face was being washed did he know that the act would lead to his death? If so, was that his wish?

Does this happen in wartime? Does he know he is sick? Injured? (I imagine the injury would have to be either quite minor or incredibly shock-inducing for him not to be aware of it.)

As for his soul: are clergy part of the "they"?
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Postby Admin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:13 am

Galfisk,

Was he bleeding?
YES

Had he broken something?
IRRELEVANT

Did the cleaning make him bleed more? Did the cleaning fail to kill relevant microbes? Did he succumb to an infection? Bleeding? Blood clot?
NO TO THOSE

Were they administering first aid?
SOMEWHAT

Dressing wounds? Getting an overview of his injuries? Was he burned? Did he suffer from any medical condition not caused by the injuries?
NO OR IRRELEVANT
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Postby Admin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:15 am

TREBOR,

As his face was being washed did he know that the act would lead to his death? If so, was that his wish?
NO, NO

Does this happen in wartime?
YES

Does he know he is sick? Injured? (I imagine the injury would have to be either quite minor or incredibly shock-inducing for him not to be aware of it.)
YES BUT IRRELEVANT

As for his soul: are clergy part of the "they"?
YES - VERY GOOD
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby Admin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:47 am

Balin,

Was a substance used to clean his face? A cloth of some time? A liquid used for cleaning?
MAYBE BUT NOT RELEVANT
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:58 am

Had he suffered wounds from: bullets? Shrapnel? Explosive shock wave? Crash of a craft or vehicle? Poison? Fire? Did they remove any relevant object from his body? If so, was it put there as a response to his injuries? Was it clothing? Protective hear? Shrapnel? Remnants of something destroyed or mangled? Did he did from injuries to the brain? Heart? Circulatory system? Lungs? Airways? Spine? Nervous system?
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Postby Admin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:01 pm

Hi Galfisk,

Had he suffered wounds from: bullets? Shrapnel?
YES SAY BUT NOT STRICTLY RELEVANT

Explosive shock wave? Crash of a craft or vehicle? Poison? Fire? Did they remove any relevant object from his body?
NO

Did he die from injuries to the brain? Heart? Circulatory system? Lungs? Airways? Spine? Nervous system?
NO TO THOSE - STRICTLY SPEAKING
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:50 pm

Did he die from injuries to the head? Bone? Did he have any relevant medical condition apart from the war injuries? Did he die within seconds of being clean? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Did he suffocate? Did part of his body dislodge or move and hurt another part? Teeth relevant? Eyes? Ears? Throat? Neck?
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Postby Admin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:13 am

Hi Galfisk

Did he die from injuries to the head? Bone?
NO

Did he have any relevant medical condition apart from the war injuries?
NO

Did he die within seconds of being clean? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks?
HOURS

Did he suffocate? Did part of his body dislodge or move and hurt another part? Teeth relevant? Eyes? Ears? Throat? Neck?
NO
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:54 am

Relevant what substances they cleaned off of his face? What substances they used for cleaning? What items they used? Methods?
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Postby Admin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:01 am

Galfisk,

Relevant what substances they cleaned off of his face? What substances they used for cleaning? What items they used? Methods?
NOT RELEVANT. CLOTH AND WATER SAY.
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:27 pm

He died from injuries only, correct? Not disease? Or poison? Or venom? If he was not injured, would he still die from the cleaning? Did he die because his face was clean? Or because of other circumstances around the act of cleaning? Such as someone spilling water on an electrical device? Or putting a bowl on top of an intravenous tube, squeezing it shut? Is he hooked up to any relevant medical devices?
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Postby Admin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:16 pm

Galfisk,

He died from injuries only, correct?
NO

Not disease?
NO

Or poison?
YES - ISH

Or venom?
NO

If he was not injured, would he still die from the cleaning?
NO

Did he die because his face was clean?
YES

Or because of other circumstances around the act of cleaning?
NO

Such as someone spilling water on an electrical device? Or putting a bowl on top of an intravenous tube, squeezing it shut? Is he hooked up to any relevant medical devices?
NO
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:28 pm

Did something get into his bloodstream? Did the yesish poison enter a wound? Did it get to him before cleaning? During? After? Was it liquid? Would it be nontoxic to intact skin? Did anyone want him to die (except the enemy of course)?
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Postby trebor » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:45 am

Did the clergy do anything that contributed to his death? Were they called in after his face had been washed? Before? During? Were they part of washing his face? Was washing his face part of a religious activity or rite, as opposed to being part of medical treatment?

Did the washing of his face lead him to be put into a situation wherein he sustained further injury? Like, he was deemed healthy and sent back to battle?
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Postby Admin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:17 pm

Galfisk,

Did something get into his bloodstream?
YES

Did the yesish poison enter a wound?
NO

Did it get to him before cleaning? During? After?
YES, NO, YES

Was it liquid?
YES

Would it be nontoxic to intact skin?
NONTOXIC

Did anyone want him to die (except the enemy of course)?
NO - THEY ALL WANTED TO HELP.
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Postby Admin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:20 pm

TREBOR,

Did the clergy do anything that contributed to his death?
YES

Were they called in after his face had been washed? Before? During?
CALLED IN?

Were they part of washing his face?
YES

Was washing his face part of a religious activity or rite, as opposed to being part of medical treatment?
NOT EXACTLY, MAYBE A LITTLE THE FORMER AND NOT THE LATTER

Did the washing of his face lead him to be put into a situation wherein he sustained further injury?
EFFECTIVELY YES

Like, he was deemed healthy and sent back to battle?
NO
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Postby Balin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:04 pm

Are last rites involved? Baptism?
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Postby trebor » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:02 am

Sorry, I meant "called in" as in "summoned".

Did he have an allergic reaction to the yesish poison? Did he drink it?

Does this occur in WWI? WWII? Europe? North America? South America? Africa? Asia? Australia? Does his job involve actual combat (soldier, fighter pilot, working on a submarine, etc.)? Does he have some other involvement in the war?
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:48 am

Balin,

Are last rites involved? Baptism?
YES, NO
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:50 am

TREBOR,

Sorry, I meant "called in" as in "summoned".
CLERGY WERE NOT SUMMONED

Did he have an allergic reaction to the yesish poison? Did he drink it?
NO, NO

Does this occur in WWI? WWII? Europe? North America? South America? Africa? Asia? Australia?
WWII, EUROPE

Does his job involve actual combat (soldier, fighter pilot, working on a submarine, etc.)?
SOLDIER

Does he have some other involvement in the war?
NO
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Postby peter365 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:53 am

Was his face camouflaged? Was that what they were cleaning?
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:00 pm

Peter,

Was his face camouflaged? Was that what they were cleaning?
NO
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:02 pm

Was the poisonish dangerous to anyonw with his injuries? With his weakened condition? Did it enter through the nose? Eyes? Ears? Mouth? Mucous membranes? Would it be possible to clean his face without killing him?
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:32 pm

Galfisk,

Was the poisonish dangerous to anyone with his injuries?
YES UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES

With his weakened condition?
CLOSE BUT NOT EXACTLY

Did it enter through the nose? Eyes? Ears? Mouth? Mucous membranes?
NO

Would it be possible to clean his face without killing him?
YES
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:27 pm

Did those who cleaned him also put the poisonish on or in him? Did he swallow it? Did he know it was dangerous to him? Did those who cleaned it know that he could be poisoned? Was the poisonish an inorganic substance? Organic? Can it kill other mammals?
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Postby Admin » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:29 pm

Galfisk,

Did those who cleaned him also put the poisonish on or in him?
NO

Did he swallow it?
NO

Did he know it was dangerous to him?
NO/MAYBE

Did those who cleaned him know that he could be poisoned?
NO

Was the poisonish an inorganic substance? Organic?
INORGANIC I BELIEVE

Can it kill other mammals?
YES
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:04 pm

If he had not been cleaned, would the poisonish: not come near him? Not come in Contact with him? Not enter his bloodstream? Did it enter through his lungs? Did it enter gradually? All at once? Is it a metal? A chemical compound that includes metal? Is it of plant origin? Mineral origin? Animal origin? Synthetic?
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Postby Admin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:40 pm

Galfisk,

If he had not been cleaned, would the poisonish: not come near him? Not come in Contact with him? Not enter his bloodstream?
CORRECT, IF HIS FACE HAD NOT BEEN CLEANED IT WOULD NOT HAVE ENTERED HIS BODY

Did it enter through his lungs? Did it enter gradually?
NO

All at once?
CLOSE BUT NOT QUITE

Is it a metal? A chemical compound that includes metal?
NO

Is it of plant origin?
YES - SO CORRECTION OF A PREVIOUS ANSWER - IT IS ORGANIC

Mineral origin?
NO

Animal origin?
CAN BE

Synthetic?
I SUSPECT IT CAN BE MADE SYNTHETICLY
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Postby trebor » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:10 am

Did it enter through his eyes? Ears? Nose? Skin?
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Postby Admin » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:34 am

Trebor,

Did it enter through his eyes? Ears? Nose?
NO

Skin?
YES. NOT EXACTLY BUT CLOSE
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:35 pm

Did it enter anywhere on his head? Torso? Hands? Arms? Legs? Feet?
Can it be swallowed safely by a healthy person?
Did it enter through a wound? A scab?
Is the poisonish ever used as medicine? As a drug? As a cleaning agent?
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Postby Admin » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:24 pm

Galfisk,

Did it enter anywhere on his head? Torso? Hands?
NO

Arms? Legs? Feet?
YES, NO, NO

Can it be swallowed safely by a healthy person?
YES - IN SMALL DOSES

Did it enter through a wound? A scab?
NO

Is the poisonish ever used as medicine? As a drug? As a cleaning agent?
YES, YES, NO
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:15 am

Did it enter through a syringe? IV? Was it given intentionally? Accidentally? Was it there in the first place because it was medicinal?
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Postby Admin » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:49 pm

Galfisk,

Did it enter through a syringe? IV?
YES, NO

Was it given intentionally? Accidentally?
YES, NO

Was it there in the first place because it was medicinal?
YES
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:13 pm

Would he still have been given the drug if his face was dirty?
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Postby trebor » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:15 pm

Earlier it was confirmed that washing his face removed something that kept him alive. Was this thing visible to the naked eye?

Was washing his face part of his last rites?
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:00 am

Galfisk,

Would he still have been given the drug if his face was dirty?
NO
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:03 am

TREBOR,

Earlier it was confirmed that washing his face removed something that kept him alive.
CORRECT

Was this thing visible to the naked eye?
YES

Was washing his face part of his last rites?
POSSIBLY BUT IRRELEVANT
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Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:21 pm

Anything to do with holy oil? Or any oil (assuming it was blessed for last rites use).
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:49 pm

If he had been given the drug with a dirty face, would he have died then? Was the drug given in order to treat a symptom? A disease? A discomfort? Was it a sedative? Painkiller? Is his facial expression relevant? Could the dose he was given be tolerated by a healthy man?
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:51 pm

Lynne,

Anything to do with holy oil? Or any oil (assuming it was blessed for last rites use).
HE WAS ANOINTED WITH OIL BUT THAT WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF HIS DEATH.
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Postby Admin » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:06 pm

GALFISK

If he had been given the drug with a dirty face, would he have died then?
YES

Was the drug given in order to treat a symptom? A disease?
SOMEWHAT, NO

A discomfort? Was it a sedative? Painkiller?
NO, SOMEWHAT, YES

Is his facial expression relevant?
NO

Could the dose he was given be tolerated by a healthy man?
DEPENDS.

THERE IS A SEQUENCE OF ACTORS AND EVENTS HERE WHICH YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH.
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Postby trebor » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:37 am

Is the substance morphine? Did he die of an overdose of whatever it was, regardless?

Trying to get an idea of the sequence of events: OH is injured in battle. He is read his last rites, and at some point in here his face is washed. He is then taken to a medic or hospital, and injected with a syringe. He dies soon after. Correct?
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Postby Admin » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:18 am

Trebor,

Is the substance morphine? Did he die of an overdose of whatever it was, regardless?
YES, YES

Trying to get an idea of the sequence of events: OH is injured in battle. He is read his last rites, and at some point in here his face is washed. He is then taken to a medic or hospital, and injected with a syringe. He dies soon after. Correct?
YES BUT THERE IS A LITTLE MORE TO IT THAN THAT

GOO WORK
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Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:20 am

Did the injection of morphine cause a heart attack?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:21 am

Is he given more than one dose? Is he dosed on multiple occasions? If so, were the doses given by the same person? Did the washing remove some indication that he had already been given morphine? Did the washing make someone not recognize him as the same individual as earlier?
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Postby Admin » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:56 pm

Lynee,

Did the injection of morphine cause a heart attack?
MORPHINE CAUSED HIS DEATH - PROBABLY THROUGH ASPHYXIATION
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Postby Admin » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:58 pm

GALFISK,

Is he given more than one dose? Is he dosed on multiple occasions?
YES, YES

If so, were the doses given by the same person?
NO

Did the washing remove some indication that he had already been given morphine?
YES

Did the washing make someone not recognize him as the same individual as earlier?
NO

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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:26 pm

Had he previously been given morphine by a field medic?
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby Admin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:56 am

Balin,

Had he previously been given morphine by a field medic?
YES
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:20 am

When he was given morphine by the field medic, was some indicator put on hum that this had been done? If so, was it put on the face? Clothing? Was it made with ink or paint? Would this kind of marking always go away with a face wash? Or was it removed during the wash, but not by washing?
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby Admin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:43 am

* * * SPOILER * * *

GALFISK,

When he was given morphine by the field medic, was some indicator put on him that this had been done? If so, was it put on the face?
YES

Or was it removed during the wash.
YES

In 1944 as the allied troops advanced towards Germany a British soldier was severely injured. A medic treated him and gave him a shot of morphine to ease his pain. The medic wrote the letter M on the soldier's face together with the time so as to warn anyone else that he had received a dose of morphine. This was standard practice at the time. The man was then left behind as his unit advanced. A local priest found the injured soldier and gave him absolution and the last rites. Not recognising the letter, he cleaned the man's face before anointing him with oils. He then left the man. Another unit arrived and a medic gave the delirious soldier a shot of morphine to ease his pain. Unfortunately his body was not able to cope with the overdose and he died.
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:58 am

They still use black markers to this day. When i was in hospital with cellulitis a couple of years ago they drew around the rash on my leg and foot to see whether it was spreading or receding. When I had a steroid injection in my hip they draw a big arrow on the correct leg. The simplest methods are still the most effective - unless you wash them off.
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:28 am

Oh, this was a good one.
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Re: [Admin] Helpfullness

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:01 pm

Good one! And both of Lynne's examples could also be the subjects of good puzzles. *quietly steals*
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