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[IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:46 pm

One day Patrick walks into a busy New York police station, and confesses to a very minor crime he had just committed, although he had gotten away with his crime many times in the past and had no reason to think he would be caught today. Officers take him very seriously and question him for an hour before ultimately releasing him. What did he do?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:58 pm

Relevant that this was in New York? Could this happen in another US City? Outside the US? Time relevant?
Would the police have reacted the same way had he not committed the petty crime many times?

Was the minor crime related to theft? traffic violations? disorderly conduct? drugs?
Did Patrick warn the police of an imminient danger? Of another crime going on?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:24 pm

Is this based on a short story?

Was Patrick himself recently a victim of a crime?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:41 pm

Was there something relevant about the circumstances of that particular day?

Did he anticipate that he would be pulled aside and questioned? Did he anticipate that he would then be let go?

Is he ultimately doing something helpful for the police? Is he doing it for his own selfish interest? Will the questioning result in something negative (incriminating information, an arrest etc) for another criminal?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:40 pm

LemonCurry

Relevant that this was in New York? Not very. Could this happen in another US City? In some, would be slightly different in others. Outside the US? Same. Time relevant? No.
Would the police have reacted the same way had he not committed the petty crime many times? Yes.

Was the minor crime related to theft? traffic violations? disorderly conduct? drugs? No to all.
Did Patrick warn the police of an imminent danger? Yesish. Of another crime going on? Yope.


Grip

Is this based on a short story? No.

Was Patrick himself recently a victim of a crime? No.


WiZ

Was there something relevant about the circumstances of that particular day? Noish.

Did he anticipate that he would be pulled aside and questioned? Probably. Did he anticipate that he would then be let go? Irr., he might or might not have.

Is he ultimately doing something helpful for the police? Yes. Is he doing it for his own selfish interest? No or not primarily. Will the questioning result in something negative (incriminating information, an arrest etc) for another criminal? YES.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:48 am

Was Pat hoping that the police would put him in jail for a short time?

Was Pat's life in jeopardy?

Minor crime = jaywalking? littering?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:19 am

Recently: in the previous few minutes? Hours? Days?

Is his crime one that some of us on the LTPF are likely to have committed? Did the other criminal commit the same crime? A more serious one? Relevant what crime? And is it only the one other person (other than Patrick and the police) who is relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:42 pm

Grip

Was Pat hoping that the police would put him in jail for a short time? No.

Was Pat's life in jeopardy? No.

Minor crime = jaywalking? No. littering? No.


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Recently: in the previous few minutes? Yes. Hours? Or this. Days?

Is his crime one that some of us on the LTPF are likely to have committed? Unlikely. Did the other criminal commit the same crime? No. A more serious one? Yes. Relevant what crime? Yes. And is it only the one other person (other than Patrick and the police) who is relevant? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Balin » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:49 pm

Other criminal's crime: theft? Robbery? Rape? Arson? Murder? Is the other criminal a serial criminal?
Other criminal: H/A/M?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:21 pm

Are newspaper headlines relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:19 pm

Balin

Other criminal's crime: theft? Robbery? Rape? Arson? Murder? Yes. Is the other criminal a serial criminal? No to rest.
Other criminal: H/A/M? Yes.


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Are newspaper headlines relevant? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:37 pm

The officers who questioned him knew about the other crime, correct? Did the petty criminal witness the big crime? Witness something leading up to it? Or the aftermath? Or something related to it? Did he commit a crime against anyone involved in the second crime? Such as picking the pocket of the murderer?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:46 pm

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The officers who questioned him knew about the other crime, correct? Yope to yesish. Did the petty criminal witness the big crime? No. Witness something leading up to it? No. Or the aftermath? Yesish. Or something related to it? Yes. Did he commit a crime against anyone involved in the second crime? Yope--I would call it essentially a victim-less crime, but in the sense that there is a victim, yes. Such as picking the pocket of the murderer? Not this.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:25 pm

Was someone murdered who Pat knew? a friend? family member? was the murderer someone Pat knew?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:52 pm

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Was someone murdered who Pat knew? a friend? family member? was the murderer someone Pat knew? No to all, in fact.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:22 pm

Did Patrick know about the murder? Tell the cops about it? Did he confess the crime In order to get them to listen to him? Because he had to confess in order to give them the relevant information? Is the murder weapon relevant? The dead body? Blood? Disposing of or destroying evidence?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:23 pm

GalFisk

Did Patrick know about the murder? Yes. Tell the cops about it? Yes. Did he confess the crime In order to get them to listen to him? Noish. Because he had to confess in order to give them the relevant information? Yes. Is the murder weapon relevant? No. The dead body? Blood? Disposing of or destroying evidence? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:24 am

Was either the victim or murderer famous?

Victim = HAF? HAM? relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:46 pm

Grip

Was either the victim or murderer famous? No.

Victim = HAF? Yes. HAM? relevant? Not really.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Westing1992 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:39 pm

Did Patrick know about the murder because he was somewhere he wasn't technically supposed to be? Was he trespassing (perhaps taking a shortcut)?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:19 pm

Did the murder occur indoors? out in the street?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:31 am

Westing1992

Did Patrick know about the murder because he was somewhere he wasn't technically supposed to be? No, but in the right ballpark. Was he trespassing (perhaps taking a shortcut)? No.


Grip

Did the murder occur indoors? out in the street? Irr.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:25 am

Did Patrick find out about the murder by computer hacking? tapping one's phone?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:33 am

I suspect LemonCurry may be onto something here...

Is the profession of the murder victim relevant? Or a hobby of hers? Her relation to her murderer?

Had Pat ever communicated with the murder victim before?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:45 am

Is the minor crime something that anyone can commit? Something that can be committed anywhere?
Was it possible for Patrick to inform about murder and not revealing his crime? Did Patrick get a material evidence of murder during his crime? Did Patrick find the body? Did Patrick know who the murderer was?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:05 pm

LemonCurry

Did Patrick find out about the murder by computer hacking? No. tapping one's phone? No.


trebor

Is the profession of the murder victim relevant? Or a hobby of hers? Her relation to her murderer? No to all.

Had Pat ever communicated with the murder victim before? No.


RedWine

Is the minor crime something that anyone can commit? With varying degrees of difficulty, I suppose. Something that can be committed anywhere? Yope.
Was it possible for Patrick to inform about murder and not revealing his crime? No. Did Patrick get a material evidence of murder during his crime? Nothing material, no. Did Patrick find the body? No. Did Patrick know who the murderer was? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:11 pm

Did Patrick know the murderer personally? Did Patrick know the murderer's identity? Was Patrick's crime recorded on video surveillance?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:03 am

RedWine

Did Patrick know the murderer personally? Noish. Did Patrick know the murderer's identity? Yes. Was Patrick's crime recorded on video surveillance? Irr.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:21 am

Had Patrick ever committed his crime on the murderer? the murder victim?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:54 am

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Had Patrick ever committed his crime on the murderer? Yesish, to the extent that it can be done to someone. the murder victim? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Balin » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Was Patrick a pickpocket? Did he steal the murderer's wallet? The murder victim's wallet? And he had to prove he was not the murderer?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:26 pm

Did Patrick litter? Did Patrick use someone else's identity? Did Patrick pretend he was the murderer? Did Patrick use the public transportation without paying?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:24 pm

Balin

Was Patrick a pickpocket? Did he steal the murderer's wallet? The murder victim's wallet? And he had to prove he was not the murderer? No to all, good idea though.


RedWine

Did Patrick litter? No. Did Patrick use someone else's identity? YES. ish. Did Patrick pretend he was the murderer? No. Did Patrick use the public transportation without paying? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:50 pm

Did he use someone else's card of some sort? Code? Did he enter a place using someone else's security credentials?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:53 pm

Did Patrick encounter the law enforcement or security before he went to the police station? Did Patrick use the murderer's identity before the murder was committed?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby trebor » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:24 pm

Is the murder method relevant? Had the murder been committed recently? Did Patrick use the murderer's identity to gain entrance to something or someplace? To access a service (mooching off a neighbour's TV or wifi, for example)? Each time that Patrick committed this minor crime, was it "done to" a different person? Or the same one?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby Doriana » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:56 pm

Did Patrick use a fake ID?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:40 pm

GalFisk

Did he use someone else's card of some sort? No. Code? No. Did he enter a place using someone else's security credentials? No.


RedWine

Did Patrick encounter the law enforcement or security before he went to the police station? No. Did Patrick use the murderer's identity before the murder was committed? No.


trebor

Is the murder method relevant? No. Had the murder been committed recently? Irr, assume yes. Did Patrick use the murderer's identity to gain entrance to something or someplace? To access a service (mooching off a neighbour's TV or wifi, for example)? No to all. Each time that Patrick committed this minor crime, was it "done to" a different person? Or the same one? It's arguable whether it's done "to" anyone, but the other people involved could be the same or different.


Doriana

Did Patrick use a fake ID? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:46 pm

Did he introduce himself with someone else's name? Did he use someone else's internet or social media account? Did he use someone else's document?
Did he use the murderer's identity? or did he use someone else's identity TO the murderer?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:40 am

RedWine

Did he introduce himself with someone else's name? No. Did he use someone else's internet or social media account? No. Did he use someone else's document? No.
Did he use the murderer's identity? No. or did he use someone else's identity TO the murderer? YES. Tiny ish, but very OTRT.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:25 pm

Is the profession of the murderer relevant? Was the murder preceeded by threats? Was Patrick in danger?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:57 pm

I don't think this has been asked yet, but is Patrick's profession relevant? And is this present-day?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:41 pm

RedWine

Is the profession of the murderer relevant? No. Was the murder preceeded by threats? Irr. Was Patrick in danger? No, unlikely.


trebor

I don't think this has been asked yet, but is Patrick's profession relevant? Noish, but maybe explore. And is this present-day? Could be, could also happen in the past.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:55 am

Did Patrick use someone else's identity in speaking? In direct contact? Via phone? In the internet? Did Patrick encounter the murderer in person?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:42 pm

RedWine

Did Patrick use someone else's identity in speaking? Yesish, but more than that. In direct contact? Yes. Via phone? No. In the internet? No. Did Patrick encounter the murderer in person? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:23 pm

Did Patrick show any ID to the murderer? Did he show any other document that should confirm his identity? Did someone else confirm Patrick's identity?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:55 pm

RedWine

Did Patrick show any ID to the murderer? No. Did he show any other document that should confirm his identity? No. Did someone else confirm Patrick's identity? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby trebor » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:32 am

Does Patrick do any relevant volunteer work? Has Patrick been doing door-to-door work? Are his hobbies relevant?

Did Patrick simply tell the murderer in person that he (Patrick) was someone other than who he was? Did he lie about his name? His job? The purpose of their conversation?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:32 pm

Did Patrick claim something more about himself than just name and surname? Did he claim to have false profession? false education? false accomodation? false income?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:44 am

trebor

Does Patrick do any relevant volunteer work? No. Has Patrick been doing door-to-door work? No. Are his hobbies relevant? Not unless you call his crime a hobby, which you might...an odd one.

Did Patrick simply tell the murderer in person that he (Patrick) was someone other than who he was? He did, but slightly more than this. Did he lie about his name? Possibly. His job? YES. The purpose of their conversation? Hard to answer...the murderer certainly had a false impression of their conversation.


RedWine

Did Patrick claim something more about himself than just name and surname? Yes. Did he claim to have false profession? Yes. false education? Yes, his false profession would imply this. false accommodation? Not necessarily. false income? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby trebor » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:10 am

Did Patrick tell the murderer he was a priest? Is confession relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Mission

Postby irishelk » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:08 pm

trebor

Did Patrick tell the murderer he was a priest? Is confession relevant? Yes and yes! Great lateral leap!

********************SPOILER

Patrick made a habit (get it? eh...) of dressing as a member of the clergy, and enjoying the various little benefits and increased respect thereby gained. This actually isn't a crime in many places, if there is no monetary fraud occurring, but in New York it is. One day, a man takes Patrick aside and confesses to killing his wife, assuming that he is under the immunity provided between confessor and priest. Patrick runs straight to the police station, and without hesitation admits to his very minor crime in order to explain how he knows about a much bigger one.
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Re: [IrishElk] {SOLVED} The Mission

Postby Grip » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:07 pm

Kinda sounds like the plot of I Confess in reverse! :)
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Re: [IrishElk] {SOLVED} The Mission

Postby trebor » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:04 am

I am so pleased to have my first official spoil! After years of snooping around the forum, and having grown up doing the puzzles from Paul's books with my dad, this is truly rewarding. Plus, all that aside, it was a fun puzzle.
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Re: [IrishElk] {SOLVED} The Mission

Postby trebor » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:10 am

And don't worry about clergy wordplay. I've never encountered a pun and simply pastor by.
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Re: [IrishElk] {SOLVED} The Mission

Postby irishelk » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:31 pm

Congrats trebor! It's great to have solved a puzzle if you've previously solved nun. I think I've only solved abbot a dozen, but I'd love to altar that.

Grip, I confess I've never seen I Confess, but I'll always give Hitchcock a try.
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