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(Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:08 pm

He faked breaking items and caused dismay. After being talked to, he broke items for real and caused relief. Explain.
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:28 pm

Does this happen in reality? A video game? Do the objects exist in reality? A video game?

Are the objects typically designed to be broken? Is it generally considered a good thing if broken? Were the items presenting any danger? Would their breaking facilitate something good happening (such as having access to a fire alarm, or being able to make a path towards a disaster victim etc.)?

Did he do this as part of his job? Are the same items being referenced in each case? Was he being talked to because he should have genuinely been breaking the items instead of pretending to? Is he committing a crime?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:46 pm

Does this happen in reality? yes, indeed A video game? Do the objects exist in reality? so yes A video game?

Are the objects typically designed to be broken? yes Is it generally considered a good thing if broken? yes Were the items presenting any danger? no Would their breaking facilitate something good happening (such as having access to a fire alarm, or being able to make a path towards a disaster victim etc.)? no, nothing like that

Did he do this as part of his job? yes Are the same items being referenced in each case? no, but they are similar Was he being talked to because he should have genuinely been breaking the items instead of pretending to? yup Is he committing a crime? nope
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:51 pm

Anything to do with breaking plates in a Greek restaurant?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:33 am

Anything to do with breaking plates in a Greek restaurant? no, nice guess though
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:28 am

Did he fake the breaking out of laziness? Because he wanted to save or reuse what he was supposed to break? Is the breaking part of measuring something? Disposing of something? WAG: is he supposed to be destroying car engines in a trade-in program for old, highly polluting cars?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:30 am

Did he fake the breaking out of laziness? no Because he wanted to save or reuse what he was supposed to break? yes Is the breaking part of measuring something? no Disposing of something? no WAG: is he supposed to be destroying car engines in a trade-in program for old, highly polluting cars? no
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:00 am

Is he an actor? Does he do his work in view of the public? The items that he pretends to break and breaks, has he made them? Or participated in making them? Is he the world's worst omelette-maker?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:31 am

Is his job to make a product? Offer a service? Are the items of any use if they are not broken?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:17 pm

Is he an actor? YEAH Does he do his work in view of the public? usually no, in this instance, yesish The items that he pretends to break and breaks, has he made them? Or participated in making them? Is he the world's worst omelette-maker? no to rest

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Is his job to make a product? Offer a service? see above Are the items of any use if they are not broken? nope
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Balin » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:26 am

Was the dismay because a scene was not being shot correctly? Did the scene only work when he broke the items for real?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:34 am

Was the dismay because a scene was not being shot correctly? no Did the scene only work when he broke the items for real? the scenes still worked overall, but it looked really odd at those points
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:17 pm

Is it a true story? Is there a movie being made? Are the remainders of broken item needed for the scene?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Is it a true story? yup Is there a movie being made? no! Are the remainders of broken item needed for the scene? no
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:47 pm

Are the scenes being filmed for: TV? Ads? Youtube? Some other website? Family? Friends? Is breaking things the only thing that's being filmed? Are they broken by hand? Tool? Machine? Weapon?
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:12 pm

Are the scenes being filmed for: TV? YES Ads? Youtube? Some other website? Family? Friends? no to rest

Is breaking things the only thing that's being filmed? NO Are they broken by hand? yes Tool? Machine? Weapon?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:35 pm

Was the object a prop? A genuine object? Is the price of the object relevant?
Should the object been broken as a part of a custom or tradition? Was it a liquor glass?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:29 pm

Was the object a prop? there were several of the objects, all were props A genuine object? Is the price of the object relevant?
Should the object been broken as a part of a custom or tradition? Was it a liquor glass? no to rest
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:45 pm

Is the prop made from: wood? Plaster? Fake glass? Real glass? Paper mache? Plastic? Is it made to resemble a different material from what it's made of?
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:23 pm

Is the prop made from: wood? Plaster? Fake glass? Real glass? Paper mache? Plastic? unknown, irrel Is it made to resemble a different material from what it's made of? Probably, but also irrel
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:52 am

When the actor did not break the prop, was the same prop used in next scene? Should the prop be broken with actor's bare hands? Dropped onto the floor? Thrown against the wall? Hit with an object?
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Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:25 pm

When the actor did not break the prop, was the same prop used in next scene? no Should the prop be broken with actor's bare hands? Dropped onto the floor? Thrown against the wall? Hit with an object? it's not designed to be broken in any specific way, all of these are possible
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:54 pm

Did the scene require the actor to break the prop in a relevant way? If the prop is not broken, can it be used in another making of this scene? Does the scene need to be remade because the actor does not break the prop?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:01 pm

Did the scene require the actor to break the prop in a relevant way? yes If the prop is not broken, can it be used in another making of this scene? it can, but not meant to Does the scene need to be remade because the actor does not break the prop? FA
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:05 pm

Can scenes be remade in given circumstances? Is it a live relation? Are two situation (not breaking props and breaking props) separated in time? Do both situations concern the same filming?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:07 pm

Can scenes be remade in given circumstances? NO Is it a live relation? YES Are two situation (not breaking props and breaking props) separated in time? yes, but only a short amount of time Do both situations concern the same filming? YES
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:49 pm

Is it a live relation of a theater play? Opera? Musical? Something not related to arts and performances? If it was not filmed, would not breaking the props be alright?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:44 pm

Is it a live relation of a theater play? Opera? Musical? Something not related to arts and performances? none of these If it was not filmed, would not breaking the props be alright? no, it was specifically made to be filmed...
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:54 pm

Is there a bet involved? Is there a definite number of props that need to be broken? Do the props imitate artworks?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:08 pm

Is there a bet involved? no Is there a definite number of props that need to be broken? yes, there was a set number that was supposed to be used Do the props imitate artworks? no
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:07 pm

Did the actor shoot to the props? Hit them with a tool or weapon? Throw them? Kick them?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:42 pm

Did the actor shoot to the props? Hit them with a tool or weapon? Throw them? Kick them? he did a variety of things to them to break 'em (after being talked to) but not relevant
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:47 pm

Was there a sort of bet or guarantee that the item would not break?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:52 pm

Was there a sort of bet or guarantee that the item would not break? no
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Postby trebor » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:49 pm

Is this for a reality TV event? If so, is he more of a personality than a trained, legitimate actor? (I hope the answer to both is no...)

Would it help us to figure out what show this was on? Was his not breaking the props resulting in the project running over time? Over budget? Is there a live audience? Is the genre relevant?
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Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:07 am

Is this for a reality TV event? If so, is he more of a personality than a trained, legitimate actor? (I hope the answer to both is no...) Wish granted! Both No.

Would it help us to figure out what show this was on? not really, this was many years ago Was his not breaking the props resulting in the project running over time? no Over budget? no Is there a live audience? yes, but beware FA... Is the genre relevant? no
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Postby antesse » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:11 am

Live audience in terms of "filmed in front of a live studio audience" (for a natural laugh track)? Or a live audience that participates in filming? Or is the live audience the cameraman, director, other actors, and stage hands?

Game show perhaps? Drama? Comedy? Soap opera? Educational? Kids show? Adult show? Not-for-kids adult show? Talk show? Late night show?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:53 am

Live audience in terms of "filmed in front of a live studio audience" (for a natural laugh track)? Or a live audience that participates in filming? Or is the live audience the cameraman, director, other actors, and stage hands? none of these, sorry

Game show perhaps? Drama? this, but not just this Comedy? Soap opera? Educational? Kids show? Adult show? Not-for-kids adult show? Talk show? Late night show? no to rest
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:16 am

Is the live audience present where the scenes are filmed? Just in front of TVs? Is the issue about how special effects were done before computer era? Is it relevant how many times he failed to break the items before he broke it finally? Is it relevant how many items he broke? Is circus relevant? Was all of these: not breaking, talking to and breaking parts of the show? Was not breaking planned in the scenario?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:27 pm

Is the live audience present where the scenes are filmed? NO Just in front of TVs? YES, hence why reshooting scenes was not possible, this was live TV Is the issue about how special effects were done before computer era? no Is it relevant how many times he failed to break the items before he broke it finally? no Is it relevant how many items he broke? no Is circus relevant? nope Was all of these: not breaking, talking to and breaking parts of the show? the not breaking and the breaking occurred on the show, the talking to occurred off camera Was not breaking planned in the scenario? NO
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:59 pm

Was there a sort of contest or competition? Was it a theater play? Would not breaking be alright in theater?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:12 pm

After not breaking them, did he act like they were broken? Try to convince someone that they were broken?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:43 pm

Was there a sort of contest or competition? Was it a theater play? Would not breaking be alright in theater? no to all

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After not breaking them, did he act like they were broken? no Try to convince someone that they were broken? no
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Postby trebor » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:56 pm

Was the audience dismayed that he hadn't broken the props, or just the crew?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:02 pm

Was the audience dismayed that he hadn't broken the props, or just the crew? Just the people who were broadcasting the show, the people at home were probably just confused.
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Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:38 pm

Were the props difficult to break? Were they made in a way that would prevent easy breaking them?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:15 pm

Were the props difficult to break? no Were they made in a way that would prevent easy breaking them? no
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:31 pm

Are the props a kind of weapon that needs breaking to be loaded? Are the props a champagne bottles during an important event? Are the props explosives?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:31 pm

Are the props a kind of weapon that needs breaking to be loaded? Are the props a champagne bottles during an important event? Are the props explosives? none of these, the nature of the props are irrelevant, it was mostly furniture
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:24 am

Is it supposed to look like they're broken in a fight? Fit of rage? Out of spite? As a game? For fun? For comedic effect? Slapstick humour relevant? Bar fight? Wrestling?
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Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:42 am

Is it supposed to look like they're broken in a fight? no Fit of rage? this Out of spite? As a game? For fun? For comedic effect? Slapstick humour relevant? Bar fight? Wrestling? no to rest
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:41 am

When not breaking the items, does he appear to be: not that angry? Not angry at all? Faking anger? Suddenly losing his anger? Source of anger relevant?
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Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:49 am

Is he supposed to look as if he'd lost his temper? Is he visibly restraining himself not to damage the furniture?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:16 pm

When not breaking the items, does he appear to be: not that angry? no Not angry at all? no Faking anger? yes, he's acting angry as part of his role Suddenly losing his anger? yes Source of anger relevant? no

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Is he supposed to look as if he'd lost his temper? yes Is he visibly restraining himself not to damage the furniture? no, but it was obvious he only pretending to break
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Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:32 pm

Is it relevant how they got him to start destroying the furniture? Was talking to him enough? Is it relevant whom the furniture belonged to?
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Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:11 pm

Is it relevant how they got him to start destroying the furniture? yes Was talking to him enough? yes, he was told something specific Is it relevant whom the furniture belonged to? no, I'm guessing it belonged to the network studio broadcasting the show
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Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:18 pm

Did they tell him that he would be charged for every item that remained unbroken? Did they threaten him with negative consequence if he did not break the stuff? Did they promise him a positive consequence once he starts breaking the stuff?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:30 pm

Did they tell him that he would be charged for every item that remained unbroken? no Did they threaten him with negative consequence if he did not break the stuff? no, though they probably did express a certain degree of displeasure Did they promise him a positive consequence once he starts breaking the stuff? no
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Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:33 pm

Did they convince him that he would have no gain from leaving the stuff unbroken? Did they complain about his bad acting skills? Him having not enough strenght?
Did they motivate him negatively? Positively?
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Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:15 pm

Did they convince him that he would have no gain from leaving the stuff unbroken? no Did they complain about his bad acting skills? no Him having not enough strength? no
Did they motivate him negatively? no Positively? yes
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:51 am

Was he told to imagine that it represented something he wanted to destroy? "Imagine that they belong to your ex"?
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Postby Grip » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:48 pm

Was he told to imagine that it represented something he wanted to destroy? "Imagine that they belong to your ex"? no, there is a FA lurking here...
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:55 pm

Did the actor initially think he was not supposed to destroy stuff? Did they show him how unnatural it looked? Did they challenge him with breaking the stuff? Did they got him into real rage?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:02 pm

Did the actor initially think he was not supposed to destroy stuff? YES! Did they show him how unnatural it looked? Did they challenge him with breaking the stuff? Did they got him into real rage? no to rest
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:16 pm

So:
1) the actor in a live TV show is supposed to act out the rage and break stuff, but for some reason he thinkg that he is not supposed/allowed to damage things.
2) off the camera the actor is told that breaking stuff is alright.
3) the actor starts breaking things and the audience is pleased with the show.
Is it correct? Do we miss facts in point 1)? Between 1) and 2)? In point 2)? Between 2) and 3)? In point 3)?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:35 pm

So:

1) the actor in a live TV show is supposed to act out the rage and break stuff, but for some reason he thinks that he is not supposed/allowed to damage things. Correct.

2) off the camera the actor is told that breaking stuff is alright. Essentially, yes.

3) the actor starts breaking things correct and the audience is pleased with the show. No idea about whether the TV audience liked the show or not, but the cast and crew were relieved.

Is it correct? Mostly. Do we miss facts in point 1)? yes, what is the reason the actor thinks he should not be actually breaking the props at that time? Between 1) and 2)? no, it's essentially correct. In point 2)? other than what I pointed out, no. Between 2) and 3)? no In point 3)? other than what I pointed out, it is correct.
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby trebor » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:14 am

Did he think the props needed to be used again? That the scene would be filmed again? That a cut was supposed to happen before the props would be broken? That the props were to be returned to the studio/storage area/somewhere else important?

Were the props valuable?

Did he think he wasn't supposed to break them because he'd been trained not to? Was he an animal actor?

Did he misunderstand a direction he'd been given?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:34 am

Did he think the props needed to be used again? yes That the scene would be filmed again? not "again..." That a cut was supposed to happen before the props would be broken? no That the props were to be returned to the studio/storage area/somewhere else important? no

Were the props valuable? not especially

Did he think he wasn't supposed to break them because he'd been trained not to? Was he an animal actor? no to both

Did he misunderstand a direction he'd been given? no, but a misunderstanding is involved
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:47 pm

Does he understand that what he's doing is being broadcast live? Does he think it is recorded for later broadcast? Does he thing they're only practicing?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:24 pm

Does he understand that what he's doing is being broadcast live? NO! Does he think it is recorded for later broadcast? NO Does he thing they're only practicing? YES! You have all the info you need now, just need someone to put it all together.
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby trebor » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:44 am

So the actor believes this to be a rehearsal of the scene, and since he knows that the props need to be broken during actual filming, he doesn't break them on this go-round. A crew member (or director?) tells him off-camera that they were actually broadcasting it, and he breaks the props next time he's on camera. Yes?
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:09 am

So the actor believes this to be a rehearsal of the scene, and since he knows that the props need to be broken during actual filming, he doesn't break them on this go-round. A crew member (or director?) tells him off-camera that they were actually broadcasting it, and he breaks the props next time he's on camera. Yes? YES! Spoiler ahead...

Good work everyone including GalFisk and RedWine for carrying the bulk of the load and trebor for putting it together at the end!
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Re: (Grip) He Busted It Up

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:21 am

***** SPOILER *****

From IMDB:

"In an episode of the 1950's tv anthology series Tales of Tomorrow Lon Chaney Jr. played Frankenstein. An urban legend states that Chaney was intoxicated during the live TV broadcast. In the broadcast (which is available on YouTube), Chaney is handed a chair - but instead of smashing it, he sets it down, and shouts "Break! Break!" while making smashing motions with his hands. Chaney does something similar with other props too. Chaney later explained in an interview that he was not drunk. Before the broadcast, he had spent four hours in the makeup chair, having his monster makeup applied. When the performance started, Chaney assumed it was a dress rehearsal, and thus did not break the chair nor any other prop. Between scenes the director informed Chaney that the broadcast was happening live, so in subsequent scenes Chaney didn't hold back and freely broke pieces of the set. (In the YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj5TJW25XdI of the broadcast, he falls out a window and later smashes Dr. Frankenstein's lab equipment.) "
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