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[Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:10 pm

He'd pull him back if necessary
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:55 pm

He'd and him = HAMS?

Pull him back from the brink of insanity? pull him back physically?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:00 pm

He'd and him = HAMS? yes

Pull him back from the brink of insanity? no pull him back physically? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:04 pm

Is He2 in any danger?

Is this an ongoing thing? Does He1 normally need to pull He2 back?

Is the relationship between the two relevant? If so, are they family? Co-workers? Friends? Subscribers to the same hobby?

Does He1 use any implement to pull He2 back? Does He2 stray futher than a metre or two from He1?

Does He2 suffer from some kind of physical or mental abnormality?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Is He2 in any danger? yope

Is this an ongoing thing? Does He1 normally need to pull He2 back? no to both

Is the relationship between the two relevant? If so, are they family? Co-workers? this one Friends? Subscribers to the same hobby?

Does He1 use any implement to pull He2 back? no Does He2 stray futher than a metre or two from He1? FA

Does He2 suffer from some kind of physical this one or mental abnormality?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:10 am

Ropes relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:17 am

Ropes relevant? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:48 am

Is He2 in a wheelchair?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:37 am

Is He2 in a wheelchair? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:26 am

Are more people relevant? Are He1 and He2 in the same location?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 am

Are more people relevant? there are plenty of people around but they're not directly relevant Are He1 and He2 in the same location? yes

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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:39 am

Is He1 aware of He2's presence in the place? Is He2 aware of He1's presence in the place? Is He2 in danger of death? Is He2 in any other danger than the one caused by his physical abnormality?

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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:44 am

Is He1 aware of He2's presence in the place? Yes Is He2 aware of He1's presence in the place? Most probably but not necessarily Is He2 in danger of death? Possibly Is He2 in any other danger than the one caused by his physical abnormality? Impossible to answer as there is a bit of a FA
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:53 am

Is either of the man a boss and another one a subordinate? Do they perform their job in front of some audience?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:01 pm

Is either of the man a boss and another one a subordinate? irrelevant, just friends from work Do they perform their job in front of some audience? no

I think it's fair to say that a lot of the difficulty in answering these questions lies in the fact that the necessity to pull him back may or may not happen. HTH
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:07 pm

Would He2 die, if:
1) the necessity to pull him back happened and he was pulled back?
2) the necessity to pull him back happened and he was not pulled back?
3) the necessity to pull him back did not happen and he was pulled back?
4) the necessity to pull him back did not happen and he was not pulled back?
If He2 died, would his death be accidental? Murder? Execution?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:12 pm

Would He2 die, if:
1) the necessity to pull him back happened and he was pulled back? yes but I'm afraid there's another FA
2) the necessity to pull him back happened and he was not pulled back? ditto
3) the necessity to pull him back did not happen and he was pulled back? no
4) the necessity to pull him back did not happen and he was not pulled back? no
If He2 died, would his death be accidental? Murder? Execution? none of these

Still confusing isn't it?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Was He2 ill? If yes, is the illness curable? Would the necessity to pull him back put him in danger? Would the necessity to pull him back be caused by his medical condition? Diabetes relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:21 pm

Was He2 ill? noish If yes, is the illness curable? no Would the necessity to pull him back put him in danger? no Would the necessity to pull him back be caused by his medical condition? possibly Diabetes relevant? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:33 pm

Does He2 have a visible impairment? Is He2's medical condition temporary? Was He2 born with the condition? Does it influence his work?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:13 pm

Does He2 have a visible impairment? no Is He2's medical condition temporary?no Was He2 born with the condition? FA Does it influence his work? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:23 pm

Can He2's physical abnormality be called a medical condition? Is it a visible trait? Is He2 outstandingly handsome? Is it something a person is born with?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:08 pm

Can He2's physical abnormality be called a medical condition? not really Is it a visible trait? It's pretty obvious Is He2 outstandingly handsome? n/r Is it something a person is born with? yessish
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:18 am

Is a part of He2's anatomy larger than normal? smaller? (Yes, I know how that sounds. Such dirty minds.) :)
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:11 am

Is a part of He2's anatomy larger than normal? smaller? no to both (Yes, I know how that sounds. Such dirty minds.)
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:20 pm

Does He2 need assistance to walk? is He2 psychically handicapped in some way?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:28 pm

Does He2 need assistance to walk? is He2 psychically handicapped in some way? no to both
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:30 pm

Does the abnormality affect face? Upper torso? Limbs? Does it affect the senses?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:05 pm

Does the abnormality affect face? Upper torso? Limbs? Does it affect the senses? Just a reminder that this hasn't yet happened but would be relevant if it does - it affects everything
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:21 pm

Before the necessity of having him pulled back would possibly occur, had He2 already suffered from a physical abnormality? Or would it be the case only along with the necessity of having him pulled back?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:38 pm

Before the necessity of having him pulled back would possibly occur, had He2 already suffered from a physical abnormality? certainly not this one Or would it be the case only along with the necessity of having him pulled back? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:10 pm

Would He2 be pulled back from a location? From an item? From a person? Are the people involved indoors? Outdoors?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:19 pm

Would He2 be pulled back from a location? yes From an item? no From a person? no Are the people involved indoors? technically speaking this one Outdoors? with a possibility of this
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:21 pm

Are they on a balcony? In a window? Is He2 in danger of falling from somewhere high? Are they in a means of transportation?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:22 pm

Are they on a balcony? In a window? Is He2 in danger of falling from somewhere high? Are they in a means of transportation? no to all
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:29 pm

Is He2 moving? Is He1 moving? Are vehicles involved? Is their exact profession relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:35 pm

Is He2 moving? yes Is He1 moving? yes Are vehicles involved?no Is their exact profession relevant? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:49 pm

Are both men moving in the same direction? Are they walking? Are they running? Do they carry something relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:53 pm

Are both men moving in the same direction? yes Are they walking? yes Are they running? no Do they carry something relevant? HA2 does
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:55 pm

Are both men in their workplace? Are they moving out of the building? Is the distance between them relevant? Is the item carried by He2 work-related?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:59 pm

Are both men in their workplace? no Are they moving out of the building? yes Is the distance between them relevant? no but HA1 can see HA2 Is the item carried by He2 work-related? possibly but n/r
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:53 pm

If HA2 dies, will he stay dead? Does HA2 have a medical issue which may result in death?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:56 pm

Is He2 leaving the place connected with health issues?
WAG: He1 sees his coworker He2 leaving the office of a doctor who is well-known specialist in the field of particular lethal disease. He2 may have just heard the bad diagnosis. If that's the case, he may want to commit suicide by running onto a busy street. So He1 is prepared to pull him back if necessary. Does it make sense?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:22 pm

Is He2 leaving the place connected with health issues? no
WAG: He1 sees his coworker He2 leaving the office of a doctor who is well-known specialist in the field of particular lethal disease. He2 may have just heard the bad diagnosis. If that's the case, he may want to commit suicide by running onto a busy street. So He1 is prepared to pull him back if necessary. Does it make sense? yes that totally makes sense but not for this puzzle!
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:25 pm

Does He1 fear He2 would commit suicide? Does He2 carry the relevant item with his both hands? Does He2 carry the relevant item in a container? Is the item visible? Is the purpose of the item obvious?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:34 pm

Does He1 fear He2 would commit suicide? no Does He2 carry the relevant item with his both hands? no Does He2 carry the relevant item in a container? no getting OT here Is the item visible? yes Is the purpose of the item obvious? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:33 pm

Is the item a weapon? An electronic device? A tool? Is the item dangerous?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:35 pm

Is the item a weapon? An electronic device? A tool? no to these Is the item dangerous? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:44 pm

Is the item food? or drink? Is the item used up? Does the item belong to He2?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:08 pm

Is the item food? or drink? Is the item used up? no to all Does the item belong to He2? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:56 am

Is it an everyday object? Is it bigger than a ping-pong ball? tennis ball? volleyball? TV? Is it a typical item to carry in one's hand on the street? Is He2 using the object as he walks? Does the object indicate that He2 got lost? Is the object distracting He2 from what's going on around him?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:25 am

Is it an everyday object? no Is it bigger than a ping-pong ball? tennis ball? volleyball? no to these TV? maybe Is it a typical item to carry in one's hand on the street? doyd 'carry' Is He2 using the object as he walks? it fulfills its function but he isn't 'using' it Does the object indicate that He2 got lost? no Is the object distracting He2 from what's going on around him? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:40 am

Is weather relevant? Is the object a part of clothing?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:22 pm

Is weather relevant? Is the object a part of clothing? no to both
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby trebor » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:37 pm

Does He2 currently have an abnormality, but would have a different abnormality in the potential situation? If so, would it be an abnormality that evolved from his current one? From his current abnormality meeting with other factors?

Does his current abnormality benefit him in his job? Is it more of an injury than a condition? Does whatever he's "carrying" aid him with his abnormality? Is it a mobility-related thing? A crutch/cane?

I'm kind of confused about how the object is not bigger than a ping pong ball but might be bigger than a TV...
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:25 am

Does He2 currently have an abnormality, but would have a different abnormality in the potential situation? If so, would it be an abnormality that evolved from his current one? no From his current abnormality meeting with other factors?

Does his current abnormality benefit him in his job? Is it more of an injury than a condition? Does whatever he's "carrying" aid him with his abnormality? Is it a mobility-related thing? A crutch/cane? no to all

I'm kind of confused about how the object is not bigger than a ping pong ball but might be bigger than a TV...

Mea culpa. The wording of the questions has made it hard for me to answer without being confusing. Also the fact that it's a potential situation. So to set things a bit straighter:

He has a mild abnormality (condition is a good word) now which may possibly lead to a much bigger different one. I misread the questions about the size of 'the object' - it's certainly bigger than a ping pong ball and might be bigger than a TV - depends on the size of the TV.
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:38 am

Is the object square? round? irregular in shape? Is this in fact a group of things? Like bouquet of flowers? Allergies relevant?
Is his current abnormality physical? visible? affecting senses?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:06 am

Is the object square? round? irregular in shape? rectangular to be precise Is this in fact a group of things? no Like bouquet of flowers? Allergies relevant? no to both
Is his current abnormality physical? yes visible? no affecting senses? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:57 pm

Was the object electric? Did it emit light? Or sound? Was the object made of leather? Wood? Metal? Glass? Plastic? Cloth?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:06 pm

Was the object electric? Did it emit light? Or sound? no to all Was the object made of leather? Wood? Metal? Glass? Plastic? Cloth? leather or plastic or maybe cloth with metal probably
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:09 pm

Was it a bag? A briefcase?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:17 pm

Was it a bag? not quite OTRT A briefcase? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:28 pm

Was it a backpack? Was the item heavy? Did the item influence He2's balance?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:59 pm

Was it a backpack? no but it could have been Was the item heavy? irr Did the item influence He2's balance? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:39 pm

Was it a container? If so, did it contain anything? Did he wear it? Carry it? Hold it? Drag it?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:30 pm

Was it a container? of sorts, yes if so, did it contain anything? yes Did he wear it? no Carry it? possibly Hold it? possibly but less likely Drag it? not exactly drag
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:51 pm

Roll it? Drive it? Push it? Pull it?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:58 pm

Is the container thrown?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:03 pm

Roll it? Drive it? Push it? Pull it? this one
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:03 pm

Is the container thrown? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Tantalum » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:34 pm

Was the item a suitcase?
If so, on wheels?
Did it contain anything?
If so, is it relevant whether or not it contained anything?
If so, did it contain anything relevant?
Is traffic in the street relevant?
Does He2 have an artificial body part? Arm? Leg? Head?
Has there been a recent purchase of anything relevant?

BTW, does the sentence "Noses run (in families)" seem familiar?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:56 pm

Was the item a suitcase? yes
If so, on wheels? possibly
Did it contain anything? undoubtedly
If so, is it relevant whether or not it contained anything? it is relevant that it contained stuff
If so, did it contain anything relevant? it would be odd in this situation if it didn't contain stuff -
Is traffic in the street relevant? no
Does He2 have an artificial body part? Arm? Leg? Head? no
Has there been a recent purchase of anything relevant? yes

BTW, does the sentence "Noses run (in families)" seem familiar? yes, but not in the context of this puzzle
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:01 pm

Does the situation happen at the airport? Train station? Another place connected with transportation? Did He2 commit a crime?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:16 pm

Does the situation happen at the airport? YES Train station? Another place connected with transportation? Did He2 commit a crime? no to rest
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:17 pm

Has He2 just recovered his suitcase? Is He2 in arrivals? Departures? Duty free stuff relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:20 pm

Has He2 just recovered his suitcase? let's say yes Is He2 in arrivals? yes Departures? Duty free stuff relevant? no to rest
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:22 pm

Did He2 mistake someone else's suitcase for his one? Did someone else mistake He2's suitcase for their one? Did someone add something to He2's suitcase? Is He2 returning home after journey? If yes, is it relevant where he travelled to? Is He2 afraid of flying?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:31 pm

Did He2 mistake someone else's suitcase for his one? Did someone else mistake He2's suitcase for their one? Did someone add something to He2's suitcase? Is He2 returning home after journey? yes If yes, is it relevant where he travelled to? Is He2 afraid of flying? no to all others
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:44 pm

Is it relevant how he would travel from airport to house? Was He1 walking behind him? Side to him? Did He1 also have a suitcase? Is it relevant why He1 was at the airport?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:48 pm

Is it relevant how he would travel from airport to house? no Was He1 walking behind him? yes Side to him? Did He1 also have a suitcase? no Is it relevant why He1 was at the airport? very much so
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:51 pm

Was He1 departing? Has He1 also arrived (if yes, did he travel by the same flight as He2)? Did He1 come to pick someone up? To buy anything? Was He1 there for He2's sake?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:01 pm

Was He1 departing? no Has He1 also arrived (if yes, did he travel by the same flight as He2)? no Did He1 come to pick someone up? no To buy anything? no Was He1 there for He2's sake? He was there because of HE2 but he wasn't there 'for his sake'
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:58 pm

Are they flight crew members?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:12 pm

Are they flight crew members? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:42 pm

Would it ever be necessary to pull he2 back if he didn't have the suitcase? Is he1 there to see he2? Someone else? To go somewhere? Because he traveled there from somewhere? Did he1 relevantly observe he2 before the risky situation became apparent? Is he1 a driver? Is a vehicle involved in the situation? Or traffic in general?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:09 pm

Would it ever be necessary to pull he2 back if he didn't have the suitcase? the suitcase only serves to set the scene, it's possible to not have a suitcase in the same situation Is he1 there to see he2? yes, but that might mislead Someone else? no To go somewhere? no Because he traveled there from somewhere? no Did he1 relevantly observe he2 before the risky situation became apparent? yes but a bit of a FA Is he1 a driver? no Is a vehicle involved in the situation? no Or traffic in general?no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby trebor » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:24 am

Is He1 there to get something from He2? To pass something to him? They're co-workers, but have they met before? Are they spies/informants/something like this?

Is He2's relevant condition something that is actually a health issue? Or is it rather something that's unusual but poses no real inconvenience or risk (like having eyes of different colours, say.)
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:26 am

Is He1 there to get something from He2? no To pass something to him? no They're co-workers, but have they met before? yes Are they spies/informants/something like this? no

Is He2's relevant condition something that is actually a health issue? yes Or is it rather something that's unusual but poses no real inconvenience or risk (like having eyes of different colours, say.) no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:32 pm

Does his current condition affect: a sense? An organ? A body part? Is it an injury?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:12 pm

Does his current condition affect: a sense? An organ? this A body part? Is it an injury? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby trebor » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:54 am

Does his current condition affect his skin? Eyes? Ears? Heart? Lungs? Kidneys? Pancreas? Brain? Bladder? Intestines?

Is the location He2 might need to be pulled back from a specific place in the airport? In Arrivals? On airport property elsewhere?

Is the only thing relevant about their work that it sometimes takes them to an airport? Is it relevant what general field they work in, even if the exact profession is immaterial? Do they often spend their full workdays together? Or do they normally see each other only in passing, like this time at the airport?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:50 am

Does his current condition affect his skin? Eyes? Ears? Heart? this Lungs? Kidneys? Pancreas? Brain? Bladder? Intestines?

Is the location He2 might need to be pulled back from a specific place in the airport? yope In Arrivals?yope On airport property elsewhere? yope

Is the only thing relevant about their work that it sometimes takes them to an airport? yes Is it relevant what general field they work in, even if the exact profession is immaterial? no Do they often spend their full workdays together? irr Or do they normally see each other only in passing, like this time at the airport? no, they're just work friends
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:53 am

Does He2 know about the heart condition? Does He1 know about the heart condition? Is the security of the airport relevant? Was He2's luggage checked at the arrivals? Relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:18 pm

Does He2 know about the heart condition? yes Does He1 know about the heart condition? yes Is the security of the airport relevant? no Was He2's luggage checked at the arrivals? yes Relevant? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:36 pm

Was anything relevant found in He2's luggage during the check? Was there anything illegal? Had the luggage not been checked, would there still have been the possibility to have to pull him back?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:04 pm

Was anything relevant found in He2's luggage during the check? no Was there anything illegal? no Had the luggage not been checked, would there still have been the possibility to have to pull him back? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:28 pm

Did the luggage check affect He2's heart condition? Was he subjected to metal detection? Did the check get him nervous?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:40 pm

Did the luggage check affect He2's heart condition? no Was he subjected to metal detection? no Did the check get him nervous? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby trebor » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:22 am

Is the luggage carousel relevant? The jostling that often occurs as people scramble for their luggage?

Is the potential medical issue a heart attack?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:56 am

Is the luggage carousel relevant? no The jostling that often occurs as people scramble for their luggage? no

Is the potential medical issue a heart attack? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby RedWine » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:57 am

Would the potential medical issue arise before He2 claimed his luggage? After claiming the luggage but before the check? After the check but before leaving arrivals? After leaving arrivals?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:42 pm

Would the potential medical issue arise before He2 claimed his luggage? possibly After claiming the luggage but before the check? possibly After the check but before leaving arrivals? possibly After leaving arrivals? but this would be the most relevant time
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby trebor » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:49 am

Would he have to be pulled back to prevent a fall? Getting hit by a vehicle? Impaling himself on something?

Is this something that would be a concern only at one airport? Could it be any airport?

Is it relevant whether He2 would have disembarked from a domestic or international flight? I've never been in the airport of the city I currently live in, but the airports of the last two cities in which I've lived have an arrivals area that consists of a brief walk to the luggage carousel, and then a walk out the doors of the airport to the parking/taxis/shuttles. Same thing in this instance?

Does He2 normally do anything significant after leaving Arrivals that could be harmful to him in the event of a cardiac arrest?

Just to be clear, when you say his luggage was checked at Arrivals, do you mean that after disembarking the plane someone had a look through his suitcase? Or is the relevant thing that he checked his luggage when he got to the airport? I'm confused because in my experience the process of checking one's luggage happens prior to going through security and then the departure gate. Am I misunderstanding something?

Sorry for the deluge of questions...
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:22 am

Would he have to be pulled back to prevent a fall? Getting hit by a vehicle? Impaling himself on something? no to all

Is this something that would be a concern only at one airport? Could it be any airport? any

Is it relevant whether He2 would have disembarked from a domestic or international flight? no I've never been in the airport of the city I currently live in, but the airports of the last two cities in which I've lived have an arrivals area that consists of a brief walk to the luggage carousel, and then a walk out the doors of the airport to the parking/taxis/shuttles. Same thing in this instance? yes

Does He2 normally do anything significant after leaving Arrivals that could be harmful to him in the event of a cardiac arrest? no

Just to be clear, when you say his luggage was checked at Arrivals, do you mean that after disembarking the plane someone had a look through his suitcase? Or is the relevant thing that he checked his luggage when he got to the airport? I'm confused because in my experience the process of checking one's luggage happens prior to going through security and then the departure gate. Am I misunderstanding something? I was bit confused about the line of questioning, but as long as he arrived, had his luggage and passed through arrivals with or without a customs check and maybe a a passport control, then all is good. No need for passport control if it was an internal flight.
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end

Postby Lynne » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:41 pm

RECAP

Two men are colleagues and friends. HA2 has been travelling and is returning home, irrelevent whether it was an internal or international flight. HA1 is following HA2 through the airport and will 'pull him back if necessary'. HA2 has a heart condition but at present it isn't causing a problem, but it may do.

Why is HA2 being followed? And in what circumstances would he be pulled back, and from where?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Grip » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:11 pm

Does HA2 have something HA1 wants/needs?

Is HA1 following HA2 to save his life? (Also, can we give them names.?) :)
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:04 am

Does HA2 have something HA1 wants/needs? yes with a big ish

Is HA1 following HA2 to save his life? no (Also, can we give them names.?) you can but I know I'll now get confused!
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Grip » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:26 am

Nah, we'll just keep HA1 and HA2 then. ;)

Is HA1s intentions benevolent? does HA1 want HA2 to not board another plane?
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Postby trebor » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:58 am

Is He1 following He2 to save his own life? Is He2 an organ donor? Is the thing He2 yesish has that He1 wants part of his body?

Uh, does He1 want to be able to take a photo or something of He2's corpse if he has a heart attack, and would pull him into a decent position to do so? Is it something else similarly morbid?

Has He2 requested that He1 be there whenever he gets off a plane?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:30 am

Is He1 following He2 to save his own life? Is He2 an organ donor? Is the thing He2 has that He1 wants part of his body? no to all

Uh, does He1 want to be able to take a photo or something of He2's corpse no if he has a heart attack, yes and would pull him into a decent position to do so? no Is it something else similarly morbid? yessish

Has He2 requested that He1 be there whenever he gets off a plane? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:32 am

Is HA1s intentions benevolent? no does HA1 want HA2 to not board another plane? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:09 pm

Did He1 want He2 to die? Did He1 want He2 to suffer from heart attack? Is He1 smuggling items? Is He1 a thief? Did He1 also have luggage? Was He1 a subject of security check? If He2 had a heart attack, would He1 benefit from it financially?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:09 pm

Did He1 want He2 to die? yes Did He1 want He2 to suffer from heart attack? yep Is He1 smuggling items? no Is He1 a thief? no Did He1 also have luggage? no Was He1 a subject of security check? no If He2 had a heart attack, would He1 benefit from it financially? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:24 pm

He1 and He2 are not otherwise related that being coworkers, right? Would He1 get He2's position at work if He2 died?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:38 pm

He1 and He2 are not otherwise related that being coworkers, right? correct Would He1 get He2's position at work if He2 died? irrelevant, there is nothing further to be gained from studying their friendship etc (although i will say a bit more about them in the spioler)
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Grip » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:40 pm

Is insurance relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:53 pm

Is insurance relevant? yes indeedy!
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Grip » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:28 pm

Is this similar to Wiz's puzzle, is HE1 hoping to cash in on a life insurance policy if HE2 dies?
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Postby Lynne » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:46 pm

Is this similar to Wiz's puzzle, is HE1 hoping to cash in on a life insurance policy if HE2 dies? Finally! Yes it was inspired by it, but takes it a step further. Why does HE2 have to be pulled back by HE1?

It's a shame Wiz isn't around to take part!
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby trebor » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:32 am

Might it otherwise look like He2 committed suicide somehow? If He2 had a heart attack and wasn't pulled back, would the cause of death become obfuscated? By pulling He2 back, would He1 prevent help from reaching him?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:45 am

Might it otherwise look like He2 committed suicide somehow? no If He2 had a heart attack and wasn't pulled back, would the cause of death become obfuscated? no By pulling He2 back, would He1 prevent help from reaching him? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby GalFisk » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:21 pm

So He1 will get paid from Life Insurance on He2? Is the cause of death relevant? Will He1 only get paid for some causes of death?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:01 pm

So He1 will get paid from Life Insurance on He2? yes Is the cause of death relevant? no Will He1 only get paid for some causes of death? no
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:20 am

Will pulling he2 back increase the risk that he2 dies? Decrrase it? Leave it unchanged? Is the insurance in full force yet? Or does he2 need to stay alive for a certain period of time first? Does not pulling him back decrease the likelyhood of a payout to he1?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:40 am

Will pulling he2 back increase the risk that he2 dies? no Decrrase it? no Leave it unchanged? yes Is the insurance in full force yet? yes Or does he2 need to stay alive for a certain period of time first? no Does not pulling him back decrease the likelyhood of a payout to he1? yes
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Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:55 am

Was He1 legal beneficient of the insurance? Was He1 appointed in the insurance documents by name? Did he need to fulfill an extra condition to get the money?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:17 am

Was He1 legal beneficient of the insurance? yes Was He1 appointed in the insurance documents by name? yes Did he need to fulfill an extra condition to get the money? no but explore
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Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:22 pm

Is it relevant where the insurance documents were kept? Was He1 going to cause He2's death? If that's the case, would he still have gotten the money had it been proved he'd caused He2's death? Would he pull He2 back to be sure He2 would not point at him as the murderer?
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Postby Lynne » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:48 pm

Is it relevant where the insurance documents were kept?no Was He1 going to cause He2's death? no If that's the case, would he still have gotten the money had it been proved he'd caused He2's death? n/r Would he pull He2 back to be sure He2 would not point atm as the murderer? n/r
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Postby trebor » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:41 am

Is there anything incorrect on misleading on He2's insurance form that could potentially negate the payout?

Is there some experience that every disembarking passenger has to go through after leaving Arrivals that would be more likely to trigger a heart attack in He2? Is DVT relevant?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:15 am

Is there anything incorrect on misleading on He2's insurance form that could potentially negate the payout? no

Is there some experience that every disembarking passenger has to go through after leaving Arrivals that would be more likely to trigger a heart attack in He2? no Is DVT relevant? no

FTR DH and I were talking last night and remembered just such a situation when I had lightheartedly said I would do exactly what HE1 said.
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:33 pm

If he1 pulls back he2, will thi affect: their work? Their relationship? Their future? Are any conditions of the insurance relevant? Will he1 pull back he2 simply because it's the right thing to do?
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Postby RedWine » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:49 pm

Would He1 pull He2 back for the sake of He1? For the sake of He2?
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Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:45 pm

If he1 pulls back he2, will thi affect: their work? Their relationship? Their future? It won't be the reason why everything will change, but everything will have changed Are any conditions of the insurance relevant? yes Will he1 pull back he2 simply because it's the right thing to do? no, it's not!
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Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:45 pm

Would He1 pull He2 back for the sake of He1? yes For the sake of He2? not at all
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Postby RedWine » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:02 am

Sorry if some of these already been asked, but I'm still quite confused as to the timing.
Firstly, had He2 just arrived by plane from somewhere? Secondly, was his luggage checked? Did he subsequently claim his luggage? Did he next directed himself towards the exit from arrivals? Did any of these events increase the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack? Did something happen in between these events that increased the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack? Was whatever increased the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack caused by He1? Did He1 know about the event that increased the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack? If He2 was pulled back by He1, would it be after getting the heart attack but before death? Before getting the heart attack? Would it increase the possibility of heart attack? Would it frighten He2?
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Postby Lynne » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:51 pm

Sorry if some of these already been asked, but I'm still quite confused as to the timing.
Firstly, had He2 just arrived by plane from somewhere? yes Secondly, was his luggage checked? i/r Did he subsequently claim his luggage? he had his luggage with him whether it had been checked or not Did he next directed himself towards the exit from arrivals? yes Did any of these events increase the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack? no Did something happen in between these events that increased the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack? no Was whatever increased the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack caused by He1? no Did He1 know about the event that increased the possibility of He2 getting the heart attack? it wasn't an event that caused the heart attack If He2 was pulled back by He1, would it be after getting the heart attack but before death? no... Before getting the heart attack? no Would it increase the possibility of heart attack? no Would it frighten He2? no Get rid of a huge FA and you're there
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby RedWine » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:14 pm

Was the situation planned by He1? Would He2 have gotten heart attack independently of the actions of He1? Is the cause of the heart attack relevant at all? Would pulling back make sure that He2 dies? that He1 gets the insurance money?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:34 pm

Was the situation planned by He1? no Would He2 have gotten heart attack independently of the actions of He1? yes Is the cause of the heart attack relevant at all? no Would pulling back make sure that He2 dies? no that He1 gets the insurance money? yes
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby trebor » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:17 pm

Would the heart attack cause an event? Would He2 be pulled back after dying?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:23 pm

Would the heart attack cause an event? in a manner of speaking yes Would He2 be pulled back after dying? YES
Why would he pulled back and from where?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby GalFisk » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:13 am

Borders relevant? Jurisdictions? Would he be pulled back into the airport?
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Postby Lynne » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:22 am

Borders relevant? no Jurisdictions? no Would he be pulled back into the airport? YES
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Postby RedWine » Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:09 pm

Is it important for the insurance that he dies in a building? In an airport? Would the insurance cover travel accidents only? Only events that happen between departure and arrival?
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free RECAP

Postby Lynne » Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:43 pm

Is it important for the insurance that he dies in a building? [b]no[/b] In an airport? [b]yes[/b] or Would the insurance cover travel accidents only? [b]no[/b] Only events that happen between departure and arrival? [b]no[/b]

I think this has dragged out long enough. The basics are there.

************* SPOILER *******************

HE1 took out travel insurance on HE2. In actual fact HE2 could have bought it himself and named HE1 as the beneficiary. My husband did this in the days when you could buy life insurance from a vending machine (just like Wiz's scenario - I had so hoped he might still be around for the duration of this puzzle!). The terms stipulated that any death on the flights itself (outward and return) or within the airport boundaries would ensure a payout. HE1 came to the airport to see the return of HE2 and followed him out of the airport. If HE2 had a fatal heart attack just outside of the airport boundaries, he 'would pull him back if necessary'. That's what I told my husband when I received the document outlining the terms of the insurance.


Thank you one and all for sticking with this!
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Re: [Lynne] A means to an end - now with free SPOILER

Postby Grip » Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:56 pm

Good puzzle, and very interesting connection to Wiz and his earlier puzzle!
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