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[WiZ] 75th percentile for Lateral Puzzle lethality

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:27 pm

An athlete is alone in a field when they suffer a series of savage animal attacks. They are found unconscious and severely wounded, several hours after they entered the field. Later, doctors credit the animal attacks for saving their life. Why?

Athlete = all 'they's = their, not that I ever bother with this trope.
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Re: [WiZ] 75th percentile for Lateral Puzzle lethality

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:52 pm

In the attack did the animals fend off greater predators? Did anything in their saliva protect them from something?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:14 pm

Was the athlete attacked by multiple animals, or just one? If multiple, all the same species? Were the animals insects? reptiles? birds? mammals? carnivores? herbivores? omnivores?

Were they made unconscious and severely wounded by the animal attack? Were they delayed from meeting an appointment that would have killed them? Is their profession or physique relevant? Was an unrelated ailment discovered while they were treated for their injuries?
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Re: [WiZ] 75th percentile for Lateral Puzzle lethality

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:01 pm

Lynne

In the attack did the animals fend off greater predators? no Did anything in their saliva protect them from something? no

JenBurdoo

Was the athlete attacked by multiple animals this, or just one? If multiple, all the same species? yes Were the animals insects? this reptiles? birds? mammals? carnivores? herbivores? omnivores?

Were they made unconscious and severely wounded by the animal attack? not solely Were they delayed from meeting an appointment that would have killed them? no Is their profession yesish or physique no relevant? Was an unrelated ailment discovered while they were treated for their injuries? no
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Re: [WiZ] 75th percentile for Lateral Puzzle lethality

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:03 pm

Were they attacked by a swarm of bees, killer or otherwise?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:05 pm

Were they attacked by a swarm of bees, killer or otherwise? no
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:09 pm

Anaphylactic shock from too many insect bites?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:11 pm

Anaphylactic shock from too many insect bites? no
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:14 pm

Was the type of insect relevant? Was he investigating them?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Was the type of insect relevant? Yes (or useful to know, at least) Was he investigating them? no
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:22 pm

Were they scorpions, mites, ticks?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:27 pm

Were they scorpions, mites, ticks? no to all
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:30 pm

Any of these (invoking my own list)
Alderflies
Ants
Antlions
Archaeognatha
Barklice
Bees
Beetles
Biting lice
Booklice
Butterflies
Bugs
Caddisflies
Cockroaches
Crickets
Damselflies
Dobsonflies
Dragonflies
Earwigs
Fleas
Flies
Grasshoppers
Lacewings
Leaf insects
Lice
Mantids
Mayflies
Moths
Praying Mantids
Scorpionflies
Snakeflies
Stick insects
Stoneflies
Strepsipterans
Sucking lice
Termites
Three-pronged bristletails
Thrips
True Bugs
Wasps
Web-spinners
Zorapterans
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:36 pm

Any of these (invoking my own list)
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Ants yes
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Is there an <ltpf list of insects>? It's been a while since I've seen a list of any description invoked.
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:41 pm

Was it a fire ant or regular ant? Did he suffer from their venom?
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:43 pm

I've not seen lists for years so I don't know.

I'm Splash at the moment i.e. latest poster in top five puzzles.
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:48 pm

Was it a fire ant this or regular ant? Did he suffer from their venom? He certainly suffered... FA lurking, though
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:50 pm

Was it the venom that caused him to be badly wounded? Or did they attack in such numbers that he was in danger of being asphyxiated?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:52 pm

Was it the venom that caused him to be badly wounded? no! Or did they attack in such numbers that he was in danger of being asphyxiated? no
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:55 pm

Which part of his body was savagely attacked? His head, torso, arms, legs, feet, hands?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:57 pm

Which part of his body was savagely attacked? His head, torso, arms, legs, feet, hands? Assume all over
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:02 pm

Was he knocked unconscious before the insect attack? Did they keep his body warm?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:09 pm

Was he knocked unconscious before the insect attack? yes Did they keep his body warm? no
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:13 pm

So even though the ants had a good nibble at him the injuries they caused didn't cause the initial unconsciousness? Is it relevant how he was knocked unconscious?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:29 pm

So even though the ants had a good nibble at him the injuries they caused didn't cause the initial unconsciousness? Correct Is it relevant how he was knocked unconscious? yes
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:30 pm

Did he trip over an ant hill? Annoyed them?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:36 pm

Did he trip over an ant hill? no Annoyed them? This is probably what provoked the attack, but it's not really pivotal to the solution
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Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:52 pm

Was a bull in the field? Had he been knocked unconscious by him? And the ants came out to investigate having been disturbed?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:15 am

Was a bull in the field? ad he been knocked unconscious by him? And the ants came out to investigate having been disturbed? no to all
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Postby trebor » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:46 am

You said their yesish profession is relevant. Are they a professional athlete? Amateur? Is it relevant what their sport is? Are they actively participating in their sport when this happens? Are they perhaps training instead? Or is it somehow relevant that they're an athlete, but at the time of their being knocked unconscious and then attacked they're not actually doing anything related to their sport? (I just had an idea of a celebrity athlete being out for ice cream, getting mobbed by rabid fans who accidentally knock them unconscious, drag them to a field, and leave them there in a fit of shame and guilt. Although I suspect this isn't what's happened.)

Is the field an actual dirt/grass/field-y sort of field? Or is it a sports field?
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Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:36 am

Does the puzzle happen in modern times and surrounding? Is there an audience? When the athlete was knocked unconscious, were they bleeding?
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Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:41 am

Did the ants effectively cauterize any bleeding?
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Postby Balin » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:16 am

Athlete: H/A/M?
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Postby Lynne » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:17 pm

Was he on a sports field? Was he a footballer or anyone who kicks, hits or throws a ball? Was he a jumper (long, pole, high etc) Did he throw anything (javelin, shot put, caber etc)
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:44 pm

Trebor

Hello, by the way!

You said their yesish profession is relevant. Are they a professional athlete? Amateur? irrelevant Is it relevant what their sport is? yes Are they actively participating in their sport when this happens? yes Are they perhaps training instead? no Or is it somehow relevant that they're an athlete, but at the time of their being knocked unconscious and then attacked they're not actually doing anything related to their sport? (I just had an idea of a celebrity athlete being out for ice cream, getting mobbed by rabid fans who accidentally knock them unconscious, drag them to a field, and leave them there in a fit of shame and guilt. Although I suspect this isn't what's happened.) A most lateral example, but the answer is no

Is the field an actual dirt/grass/field-y sort of field? yes Or is it a sports field? no

Redwine

Welcome back. Nice to see you again.

Does the puzzle happen in modern times and surrounding? yes Is there an audience? no; nobody is around When the athlete was knocked unconscious, were they bleeding? Most probably; not relevant, though

Lynne

Did the ants effectively cauterize any bleeding? no

Balin

Athlete: H/A/M? yes/yes/irrel
(I have an idea and am sending a PM.) You are correct!

Lynne Redux

Was he on a sports field? no Was he a footballer or anyone who kicks, hits or throws a ball? no Was he a jumper yes (long, pole, high etc) but nothing like this Did he throw anything (javelin, shot put, caber etc) no
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Postby Lynne » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:08 pm

Was he a bungee jumper?
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Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:56 am

Was he jumping with a parachute? Was he flying with a paragliding? Did the ants' venom make him feel less pain?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:49 pm

Lynne

Was he a bungee jumper? No - but, in principle, this could have given rise to the same circumstances. ORT.

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Was he jumping with a parachute? yes! Was he flying with a paragliding? no Did the ants' venom make him feel less pain? No - but the effect of the biting is worth exploring
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Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:24 pm

Did he fall for some reason? If yes, is the reason relevant? Would he have died from the results of the fall, had there been no ants?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:46 pm

Did he fall for some reason? yes If yes, is the reason relevant? no (parachute failure) Would he have died from the results of the fall, had there been no ants? yes
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Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:51 pm

Did the effects of the biting affect his pain? His bleeding? Did he have his bones broken? Had there been no ants, would the blood attract more dangerous creatures?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:57 pm

Did the effects of the biting affect his pain? His bleeding? no to these Did he have his bones broken? yes Had there been no ants, would the blood attract more dangerous creatures? no/not relevantly
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Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:01 pm

Did he loose consciousness as the result of the fall? As a result of the biting? Did the venom work as a disinfectant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:07 pm

Did he loose consciousness as the result of the fall? yes As a result of the biting? no Did the venom work as a disinfectant? no
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:15 pm

Aside from the bites, did he fall on one of those giant anthills and it helped cushion the blow?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:22 pm

Aside from the bites, did he fall on one of those giant anthills yes and it helped cushion the blow? not in the slightest
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Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:44 pm

Did the ants help in the healing of his broken bones?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:14 am

Have the ants eaten necrotic tissue or the like?
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:45 am

Did the anthill give him relevant warmth? Did the bites raise the temperature of his body? Did the bites directly save his life? Or was it more like the reaction of the body to the bites saved his life?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:47 pm

Lynne

Did the ants help in the healing of his broken bones? no

LemonCurry

Have the ants eaten necrotic tissue or the like? no

Redwine

Did the anthill give him relevant warmth? no Did the bites raise the temperature of his body? not relevantly Did the bites directly save his life? no Or was it more like the reaction of the body to the bites saved his life? this, very much - good question
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:20 pm

Did the body raise the temperature as a reaction to the bites? Did the body produce a relevant kind of antibodies? Did the body treat the bites like an allergy? White blood cells relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:21 pm

Did the body raise the temperature as a reaction to the bites? no Did the body produce a relevant kind of antibodies? no Did the body treat the bites like an allergy? no White blood cells relevant? no
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:36 pm

Did the body fall into coma? Did the heart slow down? Did the blood pressure decrease? Did the venom stop the bleeding?
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Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:41 pm

Did the bites cause a rush of adrenaline, thus causing his heart to re-start?

Did the ants eat tissue that was bleeding out or damaged, thus keeping him from bleeding out?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:46 pm

Did the body fall into coma? I'm not a doctor, so I'm not completely sure - but vital signs are relevant Did the heart slow down? More than that Did the blood pressure decrease? irrel Did the venom stop the bleeding? no
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Postby trebor » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:42 pm

Did his heart completely stop, then? Did whatever the ants did to him help only briefly until aid arrived, or is this some result of their venom that would last a while?
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Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:43 am

Had there not been ants, would the man have died of hypothermia? organ failure? shock? bleeding out? exposure?
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Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:15 am

Did his body produce antibodies against the ant bites and that also helped his wounds and broken bones?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:04 pm

Trebor

Did his heart completely stop, then? yes Did whatever the ants did to him help only briefly until aid arrived, this is what is important or is this some result of their venom that would last a while? irrel

Redwine

Had there not been ants, would the man have died of hypothermia? organ failure? this shock? bleeding out? exposure?

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Did his body produce antibodies against the ant bites and that also helped his wounds and broken bones? No - but his body did produce a natural reaction to the ant bites that kept him alive.
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Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:10 pm

Did his body twitch because of the ants biting even though he was unconscious and that kept the blood flowing?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:22 pm

Did his body twitch because of the ants biting even though he was unconscious and that kept the blood flowing? You are very close. Something akin to this happened, even though there would be no discernible movement in the athlete's body.
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Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:26 pm

Did the ant bites set off movement inside his body which kept his body alive?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:50 pm

Did the ant bites set off movement inside his body which kept his body alive? yes
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Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:56 pm

They effectively got his heart going again?
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Re: [WiZ] 75th percentile for Lateral Puzzle lethality

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:07 am

They effectively got his heart going again? yes

***** SPOILER *****

The athlete was a skydiver whose parachute failed to open. He landed on a mound of fire ants, which stung him in excess of 200 times. Doctors believe that the shock of being stung over 200 times by the ants released a surge of adrenaline which kept his heart beating.


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