[antesse] Just Can't Win

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[antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:10 pm

There is a certain activity that I do fairly often. But if I do the activity the Morp way, the Glorps get angry at me. If I do the activity the Glorp way, the Morps get angry at me. This is justified as both Glorps and Morps are worried about their money. I personally think that the Glorps are right even though I am a Morp. What is the activity and who are the Morps and the Glorps?

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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:23 pm

Do you do this activity as a part of your job? Are Morps and Glorps defined by profession? Is location relevant? Can anyone do the activity? Does the activity require a tool?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:45 pm

Do you do this activity as a part of your job? No Are Morps and Glorps defined by profession? Noish and Noish, not usually considered a profession but there are some that do. Is location relevant? Yesish Can anyone do the activity? Yes Does the activity require a tool? No
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:08 pm

Are both Morps and Glorps human? adult? Is their gender relevant? Are Morps and Glorps defined by gender? age? ethnicity? religion? hobby? political views? physical trait?
If you do the activity the Morp way, do Glorps lose money? Do Glorps need to pay the money? Do Glorps not get money they would have gotten otherwise?
If you do the activity the Glorp way, do Morps lose money? Do Morps need to pay the money? Do Morps not get money they would have gotten otherwise?
Do you get money for doing the activity? Do you need to pay to do this activity? Does the activity require special training?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:21 pm

Are both Morps and Glorps human? yes adult? Glorps, yes. Morps, usually but not required. Is their gender relevant? No Are Morps and Glorps defined by gender? age? ethnicity? religion? hobby? Yes to this one. No to others. political views? physical trait?
If you do the activity the Morp way, do Glorps lose money? No. But they might claim they do. Do Glorps need to pay the money? Yes but possible FA Do Glorps not get money they would have gotten otherwise? No. But they may claim they would have.
If you do the activity the Glorp way, do Morps lose money? Yes, possible FA Do Morps need to pay the money? No Do Morps not get money they would have gotten otherwise? No
Do you get money for doing the activity? No Do you need to pay to do this activity? No, not for the activity itself. Does the activity require special training? Training yes, but not special.
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:24 pm

Could the activity be called a game? Are Morps students? Do Morps do this activity? Do Glorps do the activity? Is betting relevant?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:32 pm

Are we dealing with money in real terms, or perhaps 'money' in-universe, such as in Monopoly or similar?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:36 pm

Are we dealing with money in real terms Glorps, yes. Morps, no., or perhaps 'money' in-universe, such as in Monopoly or similar? Glorps, no. Morps, no.

Could the activity be called a game? No Are Morps students? They can be Do Morps do this activity? Yes Do Glorps do the activity? Yes Is betting relevant? Yes
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:41 pm

Do Morps bet against Glorps? Are Morps and Glorps groups with a defined number of members? Do you know Morps personally? Do you know Glorps personally?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:44 pm

Do Morps bet against Glorps? No Are Morps and Glorps groups with a defined number of members? No Do you know Morps personally? Yes for I am a Morp Do you know Glorps personally? Yes
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:46 pm

Do you know all of Morps personally? All of Glorps? Is sport relevant? Is someone betting on Glorps? On Morps? Are you betting on someone/something?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:48 pm

Do you know all of Morps personally? No All of Glorps? No Is sport relevant? No Is someone betting on Glorps? No On Morps? No Are you betting on someone/something? As a Morp, no
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:15 pm

Is Morps' hobby connected with computers? social media? music? arts? education? internationality? travelling? environment?
Is Glorps' hobby connected with computers? social media? music? arts? education? internationality? travelling? environment?
Is the activity performed indoors? Outdoors? In urban area? In rural area? Next to the body of water?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:18 pm

Is Morps' hobby connected with computers? social media? music? arts? education? internationality? travelling? environment? No to all
Is Glorps' hobby connected with computers? social media? music? arts? education? internationality? travelling? environment? No to all
Is the activity performed indoors? Yes Outdoors? In urban area? Possibly In rural area? Possibly this too Next to the body of water?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:22 pm

Is this activity usually performed alone? In pairs? In groups? Does it require talking?
Does either Morps' or Glorps' hobby involve collecting something?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:35 pm

Is this activity usually performed alone? The activity is performed alone but in the presence of others. In pairs? In groups? Does it require talking? No
Does either Morps' or Glorps' hobby involve collecting something? Yes, Morps collect. Glorps do not.
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:37 pm

Would it be correct to say that the activity require audience? Are either Morps or Glorps the audience? Do Morps collect tangible items? Like coins? Or post stamps?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:43 pm

Would it be correct to say that the activity require audience? Yes. Are either Morps or Glorps the audience? Yes, both would be the audience for the activitiy. Do Morps collect tangible items? Yes...Like coins? Or post stamps? ...but not these.
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:52 pm

Do Glorps oppose collecting items? Is the activity a sort of performance? Is it recorded in a way? Youtube relevant?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:54 pm

Do Glorps oppose collecting items? No Is the activity a sort of performance? No, actually boring to watch Is it recorded in a way? No Youtube relevant? No
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:01 pm

Does the audience play a role besides only watching? Do they interact with the performer in any way? Does the activity require physical strenght? Good eyesight? Good hearing? Stamina? Sharp brain?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:10 pm

Does the audience play a role besides only watching? Yope Do they interact with the performer in any way? Yes but see below... Does the activity require physical strenght? Good eyesight? Good hearing? Stamina? Sharp brain? None of those

It would be very misleading to consider this a performer and an audience. There is no interaction between the activity-doer and the activity-watching while the activity is being done but there is a great deal of interaction between the doer and the watcher when the activity is not being done.
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:43 pm

You said betting is relevant. Is this a method of gambling? A method of wagering? Is this done at casinos? Anywhere else?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:00 pm

You said betting is relevant. Is this a method of gambling? The activity is not. A method of wagering? No Is this done at casinos? Yes Anywhere else? Yes
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:42 am

Does the activity involve cards? Are Glorps gamblers?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:13 pm

Does the activity involve cards? Yes Are Glorps gamblers? Yes...or rather a specific subset of gamblers...but close enough
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby Doriana » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:30 pm

Card counting relevant?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:05 pm

Do you manage a poker table or some such? Are you handling cards? Shuffling them? Poker chips? Dice? Other accoutrements?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:42 pm

Is solitaire relevant? Building houses of cards? Do Morps collect playing cards?
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:35 am

Card counting relevant? No

Do you manage a poker table or some such? Me, no. A Glorp, maybe. Are you handling cards? Yes Shuffling them? YES, PRECISELY Poker chips? Me, no. A Glorp, maybe. Dice? Me, Sometimes. Morps, sometimes. Other accoutrements?

Is solitaire relevant? No Building houses of cards? No Do Morps collect playing cards? Yes
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:55 am

Different methods of shuffling cards relevant? Do Glorps, as players, prefer the method which is more effective and Morps, as collectors, prefer the method which results in less damage to cards?

I'm thinking about two real methods, but have difficulty to name or describe them accurately. One involves dividing the deck into two halves and mixing them up with a single hands movement - it's effective, but it's said to damage the cards. The other one, much less effective, involves getting the deck of cards from one hand to another with a series of repeatable movements, mixing the cards in between.
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Re: [antesse] Just Can't Win

Postby antesse » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:04 pm

Different methods of shuffling cards relevant? YES Do Glorps, as players, prefer the method which is more effective YES and Morps, as collectors, prefer the method which results in less damage to cards? YES

I'm thinking about two real methods, but have difficulty to name or describe them accurately. One involves dividing the deck into two halves and mixing them up with a single hands movement - it's effective, but it's said to damage the cards. The other one, much less effective, involves getting the deck of cards from one hand to another with a series of repeatable movements, mixing the cards in between.

That looks about wrapped up.

SPOILER

As a player of a collectible card game (CCG) called Magic the Gathering (MtG) and a lot of other card games and board games, I find myself doing a lot of shuffling of cards. Since serious MtG players (Morps) are often playing with decks worth hundreds of dollars, if not much more, they want to keep their cards in as good condition as possible which has led to the rise of some interesting shuffling methods...with questionable effectiveness. The most effective of which is basically grabbing two halves of your deck in a sort of fan formation and sliding the two halves together. Statistically speaking, this might truly randomize your deck after an astronomical number of shuffles. The less effective methods include "randomly" putting your deck in N piles one card at a time and then stacking the piles together or smushing your cards together in a big pile and then restacking them.

If you were to sit down at a poker table or at a casino with some serious gamblers (Glorps) and did that sort of shuffle on your deck of standard playing cards, someone would probably call you out on it and accuse you of cheating or stacking the deck. You would be expected to do something like a riffle shuffle which, when done correctly, randomizes in a very low number of shuffles (I believe around seven or so).

And so, if you shuffled like a Glorp at a Morp table, you risk damaging the expensive cards. If you shuffled like a Morp at a Glorp table, you're not randomizing properly and might be accused of cheating when people are betting money on the game.

Personally, I shuffle like a Glorp because I think my MtG deck should be properly randomized when I play. Plus, the "damage" that people usually quote for the method is giving the cards a very slight backwards bend which seems to help with picking up and moving cards around the table (because the center of the card sits a very slight bit off the table). Besides, the damage happens to my cards in my deck and the damage should be uniform among the cards. And those cards are probably never going to be traded to other people. But, if I am borrowing a deck or handling someone else's expensive cards or playing in a draft, I will often try the other shuffling methods or just let someone else do it for me.
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