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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:56 pm

A group of colleagues takes part in a race. The worst of their single results is taken into account to get their joint final result. Because of this, they end up at a better rank than they would have achieved, had only the best results been counted. Please explain.
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:32 pm

Is it a physical race? Are the 'results' the time taken?

Are the colleagues competing against each other? Are they competing as one against other groups? Is every group subject to this same condition (i.e. that their total score is determined by the sum of their worst results)?

Were their worst results fairly comparable to the worst results of other teams, but their best results would have been considerably worse than those of other teams (so they were advantaged by the worst score being the metric by which their performance was measured)?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:52 pm

Is it a charity race? Do the participants raise money for a cause? If so, is the rank determined by how much money they raised? Did the person with the worst result raise more money than the person with the best result?
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Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:31 am

WiZ:

Is it a physical race? Yes. Are the 'results' the time taken? Yes.

Are the colleagues competing against each other? No. Are they competing as one against other groups? Yes.
Is every group subject to this same condition Yes and no. (i.e. that their total score is determined by the sum of their worst results)? But this is not true.

Were their worst results fairly comparable to the worst results of other teams, but their best results would have been considerably worse than those of other teams (so they were advantaged by the worst score being the metric by which their performance was measured)? No. The best result in the group was fairly above average, the worst was well below average, the rest were more or less average.

Doriana:

Is it a charity race? No. Do the participants raise money for a cause? No. If so, is the rank determined by how much money they raised? No. Did the person with the worst result raise more money than the person with the best result? Good idea, but no.
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Postby Doriana » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:22 am

Is the race on foot? a bike race? a horse race? a car race?

Is it relevant that they're colleagues? Would it work if they were friends? family? Are the other groups that they're competing against also groups of colleagues?

Are they all H/A/M? H/A/F? mixed? Are all of them human? (thinking about police dogs or something like that)

Relevant how many of them there are in the group? If so, 2-5? 6-10? more than 10?

Is it relevant why the best result was fairly above average? Why the worst result was fairly below average?
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Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:30 am

Doriana:

Is the race on foot? This. a bike race? a horse race? a car race?

Is it relevant that they're colleagues? No. Would it work if they were friends? Yes. family? Yes. Are the other groups that they're competing against also groups of colleagues? Yes, most of them.

Are they all H/A/M? H/A/F? mixed? H, A, Mixed. Are all of them human? Yes. (thinking about police dogs or something like that)

Relevant how many of them there are in the group? Somewhat. If so, 2-5? 6-10? more than 10? Their group consist of 5 people.

Is it relevant why the best result was fairly above average? No, it's just how the competitors performed. Why the worst result was fairly below average? Noish.
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Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:45 am

Was anything taken into account as to why their worst result was what it was? For instance, the walker (or were they runners?) was injured either before or during the race?
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Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:52 pm

Lynne:

Was anything taken into account as to why their worst result was what it was? No, they were subject to equal rules as other competitors. For instance, the walker (or were they runners? They were indeed, but walking was possible as well.) was injured either before or during the race no, many people got injured and it did not influence the fact that only times were taken into account.?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:16 pm

Was there a math error? Or wrong use of math? Decimals relevant? Did they get a better ranking relative to other groups, than they would if only the best times were tanken into account? Size of other groups relevant?
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Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:54 pm

GalFisk:

Was there a math error? No. Or wrong use of math? No. Decimals relevant? No.
Did they get a better ranking relative to other groups, than they would if only the best times were tanken into account? Yes.
Size of other groups relevant? Noish.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:02 am

Did any other groups have slow members? If they did, would they also benefit? Midnight relevant?
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Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:12 am

GalFisk:

Did any other groups have slow members? Yes, many. If they did, would they also benefit? Not necessarily. There was no "handicap" for having an extremely slow member. Midnight relevant? No, but I'd love to know the thought behind this question.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:19 pm

Midnight: if someone was so slow they arrived early instead of late (albeit the next day). Are they running? Walking? Climbing? Do all group members run simultaneously? One after another? Is it a relay race? Is there a benefit to having very fast members of the group? Relevant how the groups were created?
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Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:02 pm

GalFisk:

Are they running? Walking? Climbing? All three and more.
Do all group members run simultaneously? The competitors run in waves, approx. 50 people each wave. Waves start in 15-minutes intervals. Members of a group run all in the same wave.
One after another? No. Is it a relay race? No. Is there a benefit to having very fast members of the group? Yes.
Relevant how the groups were created? Noish, people just signed up as a group, everybody could sign up with a group of family, friends, coworkers etc.
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:43 am

Is anyone relevant disqualified? Injured? Does being slow mean you avoided being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:12 am

GalFisk:

Is anyone relevant disqualified? No. Injured? No. Does being slow mean you avoided being in the wrong place at the wrong time? No.
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Postby peter365 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:46 pm

Are the penalty points deducted for infringing rules ? Are there bonus points awarded?
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Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:48 pm

Peter365:

Are the penalty points deducted for infringing rules ? No. Are there bonus points awarded? No.
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:33 am

Could we get a hint, please? :)
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:37 pm

HINTS: According to the rules of the race, the result of a group was the sum of three best individual results of its members. Groups were classified in three categories. A typical opening LTPF question that has already been asked and answered can be elaborated on and it would be of much help. Also, this answer from Jan 25 is significant:
Is every group subject to this same condition? Yes and no.
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:52 pm

Is it relevant how many men / women were in the group? Is it relevant how old the group members were?
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:21 pm

Doriana:

Is it relevant how many men / women were in the group? YES. Is it relevant how old the group members were? No.
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:22 pm

Were there 5 women, 0 men? 4/1? 3/2? 2/3? 1/4? 0/5?
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:07 pm

Doriana:

Were there 5 women, 0 men? 4/1? 3/2? 2/3? 1/4? This. 0/5?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:19 pm

Did the woman have the worst individual result of the group?
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:32 pm

Doriana:

Did the woman have the worst individual result of the group? Yes.
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:35 pm

Was her result compared to that of other women? Was she above average for women?
Was the result of the men compared to other men? Were they below average for men?
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Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:06 pm

Doriana:

Was her result compared to that of other women? Sort of, explore. Was she above average for women? No, she was average or little below average among women.
Was the result of the men compared to other men? Sort of, explore. Were they below average for men? One was above average, others were average among men.
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Postby RedWine » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:17 am

RECAP:

A group of colleagues, consisting of 4 men and 1 woman, takes part in a race. Group results are counted as the sum of three best individual results. The groups are classified in three categories.
In our group, the result of the woman, which is the worst of single results, is taken into account to get the joint final result of the group. Other two results taken into account are two best results of the men.
Because of taking into account the result of the woman, the group ends up at a better rank than they would have achieved, had only the best (men's) results been counted. Please explain.
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Postby Balin » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:33 am

Would the group have been considered to have competed in a different class or category had only the best results been counted?
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Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:41 am

Balin:

Would the group have been considered to have competed in a different class or category had only the best results been counted? Yes.
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Postby Doriana » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:38 pm

Were the categories determined by the number of women on the team?
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Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:44 am

Doriana:

Were the categories determined by the number of women on the team? Noish.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:48 pm

Were they determined by whether there were any women on a team? Any men?
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Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:23 pm

GalFisk:

Were they determined by whether there were any women on a team? Yes... Any men? ...yes...
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:51 pm

Were there two categories? Three? More? Could a team be in more than one category at once?
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Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:37 pm

GalFisk:

Were there two categories? Three? This. More?
Could a team be in more than one category at once? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:36 pm

Were the categories men only, women only, and mixed? Did they end up with a better ranking in the mixed category, than they would've gotten in the men only category?
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Postby RedWine » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:02 pm

GalFisk:

Were the categories men only, women only, and mixed? Yes.
Did they end up with a better ranking in the mixed category, than they would've gotten in the men only category? Yes.


************SPOILER*****************
In September I took part in a 5km obstacle course. I was a fifth participant in a group of young male students (groups consisting of 5 members or more got extra items at the start, that's why I was accepted.) Guys wanted good results, I just wanted to survive the race. That's why I was surprised to see that my humble result was taken into account to get the group's result! Because of this, however, our group was classified among "mixed", getting fairly high ranking due to boys' good results. Had the group been classified among men only, the ranking would be lower as boys' results were not outstanding among men.
Generally, three best results were summed up to get the group result. In mixed groups, the counted results must have included both sexes.
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Postby Balin » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:05 pm

That's a good one!
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