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[JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:04 pm

A brave fighter pilot attacks and shoots down an enemy plane. After he lands, he is reprimanded by his commanding officer. Why?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby Grip » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:13 pm

Is the pilot's name Brownie? (If not, can I call him that, anyway?)

Relevant what type of planes were involved?

Does Brownie feel the reprimand is unfair?

Was Brownie hot dogging?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby GalFisk » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:29 pm

Was he reprimanded for shooting? Flying? Landing? Disobeying? Was his plane damaged? Did the enemy pilot die? Relevant? Relevant who the enemy was? What he did? What war they were in? What kind of plane the hero flew? The enemy flew? What kind of weapon was used for shooting down the enemy?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:21 am

Is the pilot's name Brownie? No. (If not, can I call him that, anyway?) Sure.

Relevant what type of planes were involved? Not especially - assume fighter vs. transport.

Does Brownie feel the reprimand is unfair? Possibly not.

Was Brownie hot dogging? In the sense of showing off or doing stunts? No.

Was he reprimanded for shooting? Flying? Landing? Disobeying? None of these. Was his plane damaged? Assume no. Did the enemy pilot die? Assume yes. Relevant? Yes. Relevant who the enemy was? In a general sense; there are several possibilities. What he did? No. What war they were in? Yes. What kind of plane the hero flew? Mildly, assume a fighter. The enemy flew? Mildly, assume a transport. What kind of weapon was used for shooting down the enemy? Mildly, assume machine guns.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby trebor » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:45 am

Is this in WWl? WWll? The Vietnam War? Korean War? Gulf War?

Was he reprimanded for something he did before taking off that particular time? Between taking off and shooting down the enemy plane? After landing?

Does it matter what country he's fighting for?

Is Brownie someone who actually might be known to us? Was he reprimanded in jest? Was there anyone of relevance on the enemy plane other than the pilot?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:30 am

Did the pilot have an order to attack the transport plane? Did the pilot have an order to shoot it down? Did the transport plane serve military purpose at the time it was attacked (as opposed to evacuating civilians etc.)? Did the attack put the pilot's side in danger?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:48 pm

Is this in WWl? WWll? This. The Vietnam War? Korean War? Gulf War?

Was he reprimanded for something he did before taking off that particular time? Between taking off and shooting down the enemy plane? After landing? No to all.

Does it matter what country he's fighting for? Mildly; It was Slovakia, though much of Central Europe would work depending on period.

Is Brownie someone who actually might be known to us? No. Was he reprimanded in jest? No. Was there anyone of relevance on the enemy plane other than the pilot? No.

Did the pilot have an order to attack the transport plane? No. Did the pilot have an order to shoot it down? No. Did the transport plane serve military purpose at the time it was attacked (as opposed to evacuating civilians etc.)? Yes. Did the attack put the pilot's side in danger? No, but...
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby Grip » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:56 pm

Is the age of the respective aircraft relevant?

Was what Brownie did an honest mistake? reckless?

Were there any civilians in the transport? important documents? had the Slovakians or their allies wanted to capture a transport?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:33 pm

Is the age of the respective aircraft relevant? Mildly; both were obsolete.

Was what Brownie did an honest mistake? Yes. reckless? No.

Were there any civilians in the transport? important documents? Irr to both. had the Slovakians or their allies wanted to capture a transport? Yes!
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby Grip » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:32 pm

So he was reprimanded for not capturing the transport instead of shooting it down? not allowing the transport to be captured? did Brownie know that a transport was wanted for capturing?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:08 pm

So he was reprimanded for not capturing the transport instead of shooting it down? Correct. not allowing the transport to be captured? did Brownie know that a transport was wanted for capturing? No, but there are good reasons to think he should have.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby Grip » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:40 pm

Was an enemy transport wanted for the purposes of using it as a disguise? as a trojan horse?

Is reverse engineering relevant??
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:10 am

Was an enemy transport wanted for the purposes of using it as a disguise? as a trojan horse?

Is reverse engineering relevant??

No to all.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby trebor » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:21 am

Did they want it captured specifically because it was an obsolete transport? Did it have a part/parts they could use?

Is the Slovak National Uprising relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:34 am

Did they want it captured specifically because it was an obsolete transport? No. Did it have a part/parts they could use? For SVV...

Is the Slovak National Uprising relevant? Yes.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby Balin » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:13 pm

Hmm... is the country's flag or other insignia somehow relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:11 pm

Did they want the cargo? Did they want to capture the crew?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:36 am

Hmm... is the country's flag or other insignia somehow relevant?

Did they want the cargo? Did they want to capture the crew?

No to all - though the cargo at least would probably have come in handy.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:42 am

Did they need the plane's radio? Cipher book? Was there anyone else in the plane besides crew members?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:31 pm

Did they need the plane's radio? Cipher book? No to both. Think bigger, and simpler. Was there anyone else in the plane besides crew members? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby Grip » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:35 pm

Did the Slovakians want to use parts of the transport on their own aircraft?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:00 pm

Did they just need an aircraft? Any aircraft?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:40 pm

Did they want the fuel?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Heckuva job, Brownie

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:27 pm

Did the Slovakians want to use parts of the transport on their own aircraft?
Did they just need an aircraft? Any aircraft? This, none of the others.
Did they want the fuel?

Spoiler:

The Slovaks had very few aircraft available for the Slovak National Uprising in late 1944. Sergeant Frantisek Cyprich shot down a Hungarian transport (in the process scoring the last biplane victory in history). When he landed, his commander derided him for not attempting to force down and capture the enemy aircraft, as their side having an extra plane would have been much more useful than the enemy just losing one.
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