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[Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:40 am

A man was arrested because he looked at the traffic light. Why?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Grip » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:56 am

Funny you should name this puzzle "Streetlight people" when earlier today on Sporcle I played a lyrics quiz for the song "Don't Stop Believing" where that phrase comes up numerous times!

Man = HAM?

Was the light broken?

Was the man driving a car?

The cameras that are on some traffic lights relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:30 pm

Did looking at the traffic light get him relevantly distracted? Was the traffic light red? green? yellow? Was it a light for cars? for pedestrians? for trams? for trains? Was the light on a street (as opposed to spare traffic light in a magasin)?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:33 pm

Did he miss seeing something else relevant? Did he break a traffic law?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:59 pm

Funny you should name this puzzle "Streetlight people" when earlier today on Sporcle I played a lyrics quiz for the song "Don't Stop Believing" where that phrase comes up numerous times! Ha!

Man = HAM? Yes

Was the light broken? No

Was the man driving a car? Yes

The cameras that are on some traffic lights relevant? Yes

Did looking at the traffic light get him relevantly distracted? No Was the traffic light red? green? yellow? Relevantly yellow and red Was it a light for cars? This for pedestrians? for trams? for trains? Was the light on a street Yes (as opposed to spare traffic light in a magasin)?

Did he miss seeing something else relevant? No Did he break a traffic law? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:02 pm

Was he arrested for breaking the traffic law? for breaking another law?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:05 pm

When the man looked at the light, was it going red to yellow? Yellow to red? Was he not supposed to look at the traffic light?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:06 pm

Was he arrested for breaking the traffic law? No for breaking another law? Yes

When the man looked at the light, was it going red to yellow? Yellow to red? This Was he not supposed to look at the traffic light? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:07 pm

Had he committed a crime prior to looking at the traffic light? If so, were the police looking for him? was he fleeing the crime scene?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:13 pm

Had he committed a crime prior to looking at the traffic light? Yes If so, were the police looking for him? No was he fleeing the crime scene? Yope
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:15 pm

Was he caught at the traffic light camera? Was he recognizable because he looked at the light?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:18 pm

Was he caught at the traffic light camera? No (the camera photographed him, but the police did not catch him there) Was he recognizable because he looked at the light? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:25 pm

Did the man stop at the traffic light? If not, did he run the red light? Did he make it while the light was still yellow?

Relevant what crime he had committed? If so, personal crime? Property crime?

Relevant how much time elapsed between the man committing the crime and the traffic light situation? If so, minutes? hours? days? weeks? longer?

Relevant how much time elapsed between the traffic light situation and the man getting caught? If so, minutes? hours? days? weeks? longer?

Does the man have any relevant physical features? If so, were they visible on the photograph?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:27 pm

Did the man stop at the traffic light? No If not, did he run the red light? Yes Did he make it while the light was still yellow? No

Relevant what crime he had committed? Yes If so, personal crime? This Property crime?

Relevant how much time elapsed between the man committing the crime and the traffic light situation? Yes If so, minutes? This hours? days? weeks? longer?

Relevant how much time elapsed between the traffic light situation and the man getting caught? If so, minutes? hours? days? Assume less than a day weeks? longer?

Does the man have any relevant physical features? No If so, were they visible on the photograph? I'll say that the photograph was easily identifiable as him
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:30 pm

Was the crime murder? manslaughter? vehicular manslaughter? assault? battery? rape? kidnapping?

Did the man wear anything relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:32 pm

Was the crime murder? This (given that this is one of my puzzles, that should not be a surprise) manslaughter? vehicular manslaughter? assault? battery? rape? kidnapping?

Did the man wear anything relevant? Yes, his attire is relevant
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:35 pm

Was the man relevantly wearing a hat? glasses? a scarf? contact lenses?

Do we have to find out anything about the victim? Relevant how he murdered the victim?

Was he transporting the dead body in the car?

Was he driving his car? the victim's car? a stolen car?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:37 pm

Was the man relevantly wearing a hat? glasses? a scarf? contact lenses? None of these are relevant

Do we have to find out anything about the victim? It's his wife Relevant how he murdered the victim? Only a little bit. Assume he shot her

Was he transporting the dead body in the car? No

Was he driving his car? This the victim's car? a stolen car?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:11 pm

Did anyone witness the crime?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:11 pm

Was he wearing anything that obscured his face when he was looking downwards? Did anyone witness him running the red light? Was he chased when he ran the red light?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:15 am

Did anyone witness the crime? No

Was he wearing anything that obscured his face when he was looking downwards? No Did anyone witness him running the red light? Probably, but other than the camera, none are relevant Was he chased when he ran the red light? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:23 am

So, the man was photographed on the traffic camera while running the red light, what enabled his identification as murderer later, correct? Was the license plate relevant for the identification? Were all traffic cams near the place of murder checked? Did he kill his wife in their home? Did he have anything murder-related in the car?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:26 pm

So, the man was photographed on the traffic camera while running the red light, what enabled his identification as murderer later, correct? Yes Was the license plate relevant for the identification? It was identified, but his face was more relevant Were all traffic cams near the place of murder checked? Assume there weren't many others nearby. Also, possible FA Did he kill his wife in their home? Yes Did he have anything murder-related in the car? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:43 pm

Did his face have any specific visual trait? Was the photo compared with another photo of him? Was he previously arrested? Was the photo compared with him in person? Was the photo relevantly published?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:18 pm

Were the police aware of the murder prior to seeing the photo? Upon seeing the photo? Later?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:02 am

Did his face have any specific visual trait? Not any relevant one Was the photo compared with another photo of him? No Was he previously arrested? No Was the photo compared with him in person? Yes Was the photo relevantly published? No

Were the police aware of the murder prior to seeing the photo? This Upon seeing the photo? Later?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:04 am

Going to edit an earlier answer:

Relevant how much time elapsed between the traffic light situation and the man getting caught? If so, minutes? hours? days? Yes, relevant. Assume about two or three days.
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:23 am

Did the police know he was guilty of murder before they saw the photo? Upon seeing the photo? Later? Was his face dirty? Did his face reveal any relevant emotion when he got caught at the traffic camera? Did the police try to fine him for running the red light? Did they get his address from the license plate database?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:59 pm

Did the police know he was guilty of murder before they saw the photo? Upon seeing the photo? This, or at least they strongly suspected so Later?
Was his face dirty? No Did his face reveal any relevant emotion when he got caught at the traffic camera? No
Did the police try to fine him for running the red light? Yes, beware FA Did they get his address from the license plate database? Yes, beware FA
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:10 pm

He did run the red light after murder, correct?
Did the police suspect the husband from the beginning? Was the man under suspicion before he was caught on the camera? Did the police find something at the place of murder that told the police how murderer looked like?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:33 pm

He did run the red light after murder, correct? EDIT: Yes
Did the police suspect the husband from the beginning? Assume not seriously Was the man under suspicion before he was caught on the camera? No Did the police find something at the place of murder that told the police how murderer looked like? They spoke to him before they realized he was the killer
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:36 pm

Is there a contradiction here? You said "no" to him running the red light after the murder, but earlier you said "yes" to him committing a crime prior to running the light. Is there another crime involved?

Did he report the murder to the police?
With a made-up alibi of some kind?
That the photo contradicted?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:13 am

Is there a contradiction here? You said "no" to him running the red light after the murder, but earlier you said "yes" to him committing a crime prior to running the light. Is there another crime involved? That's a mistake on my part; he did run the red light after the murder. I'll edit that answer; thanks for pointing that out.

Did he report the murder to the police? No
With a made-up alibi of some kind? YESISH
That the photo contradicted? Yes!

I could call the puzzle solved here, but I wonder if you'd all like to take a crack at how he attempted to establish an alibi.
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:29 pm

Sure, did he say that he was at a particular location all day that day, such as work?
And the picture proved that he was not at that location around that time?
Is his clothing somehow relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:26 am

Sure, did he say that he was at a particular location all day that day, such as work? Yes, keep exploring this
And the picture proved that he was not at that location around that time? Yes
Is his clothing somehow relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Grip » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:51 pm

Is facial hair relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:21 pm

Is facial hair relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:21 pm

Did he give evidence beyond just his word that he was somewhere else?
Did anything they see in the picture give them further clues, or is it just relevant that it was him in the picture, and that he was not where he said he was?
Did he say he was somewhere else within the general area? Or that he was in a different city/region/state/country?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:27 pm

Did he give evidence beyond just his word that he was somewhere else? Yope, explore
Did anything they see in the picture give them further clues, or is it just relevant that it was him in the picture, and that he was not where he said he was? The latter
Did he say he was somewhere else within the general area? Or that he was in a different city/region/state/country? He said he was about 30 minutes away
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:32 pm

Did his alibi somehow imply that he couldn't have been driving?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:18 am

Did his alibi somehow imply that he couldn't have been driving? If I understand the question right, Yes
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:19 am

Ok, I'll clarify. I meant if his alibi was something along the lines of "I had my eyes dilated that morning". Did his alibi involve anything that would physically and/or legally have prevented him from driving?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:04 pm

Ok, I'll clarify. I meant if his alibi was something along the lines of "I had my eyes dilated that morning". Did his alibi involve anything that would physically and/or legally have prevented him from driving? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:31 pm

Did he say that he was at the same place all day long? If so, a private residence? his workplace? a public place?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:32 pm

Did he say that he was at the same place all day long? Yes (specifically, during the period the murder took place) If so, a private residence? his workplace? This a public place?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:00 am

Are the specifics of his job relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:47 pm

Are the specifics of his job relevant? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:59 pm

Relevant how he usually goes to work? If so, by car?
Does he work indoors? Outdoors?
Does he work in a publicly accessible place? an office? a factory? a shop? a restaurant? other food/drink related establishment? education? media? healthcare?
Does he relevantly interact with people at his job? If so, co-workers? customers? patients?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:28 pm

Relevant how he usually goes to work? Yes If so, by car? Yes
Does he work indoors? Yes Outdoors?
Does he work in a publicly accessible place? Yes an office? a factory? a shop? a restaurant? other food/drink related establishment? education? This media? healthcare?
Does he relevantly interact with people at his job? Yes If so, co-workers? Yes, but more relevantly... customers? patients? ...something that isn't either of these
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:14 am

So does he teach students? Was he supposedly teaching a class at the time?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:00 pm

So does he teach students? Was he supposedly teaching a class at the time? Yes to both...
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:14 pm

Relevant what age he teaches? If so, kindergarten or younger? elementary school? middle school? high school? college? adult education?
Was the school actually open that day?
Did the police ask students to confirm his alibi?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:37 pm

Relevant what age he teaches? It could help, yes If so, kindergarten or younger? elementary school? middle school? high school? college? This adult education?
Was the school actually open that day? Yes
Did the police ask students to confirm his alibi? Yes, and they did confirm it
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:05 pm

Is his eye colour relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:24 am

Is his eye colour relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:00 pm

What a bummer. I was going to suggest the following scenario: He has a twin brother with a different eye colour whom he told to teach his class that day. The students didn't notice and confirmed his alibi, but the photo revealed his true eye colour.

In any case, twins relevant? doppelgangers?

Did he actually teach his class that day? Did someone else teach his class? Was the class cancelled?
Relevant what subject he teaches?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:50 pm

What a bummer. I was going to suggest the following scenario: He has a twin brother with a different eye colour whom he told to teach his class that day. The students didn't notice and confirmed his alibi, but the photo revealed his true eye colour. I like this scenario more than my actual solution.

In any case, twins relevant? doppelgangers? Neither

Did he actually teach his class that day? Yes, technically Did someone else teach his class? No Was the class cancelled? No
Relevant what subject he teaches? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:01 pm

Does he teach at a brick-and-mortar college? an online college?

Was he physically present at school that day? In his classroom? Were the students presents in the classroom?
Did he teach his class via skype or similar?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:40 pm

Does he teach at a brick-and-mortar college? This an online college?

Was he physically present at school that day? At some point, Yes In his classroom? At some point, Yes Were the students presents in the classroom? Yes
Did he teach his class via skype or similar? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:46 pm

Did he set them to a test or other activity, then leave for a time, returning at the end?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:56 pm

Did he set them to a test or other activity Noish then leave for a time, returning at the end? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:51 am

Ok, so he goes to class, leaves to kill his wife, and returns before the end of the lesson, right?

Do the students notice that he's gone? Is it unusual for him to leave the class? Or has he done this before? Does he pretend he has an errand to run or a meeting to go to?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:19 am

Ok, so he goes to class, leaves to kill his wife, and returns before the end of the lesson, right? Right

Do the students notice that he's gone? No Is it unusual for him to leave the class? Yes Or has he done this before? No Does he pretend he has an errand to run or a meeting to go to? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:20 am

Did the students stay in the classroom the whole time? If not, did he instruct them to leave the classroom?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:12 pm

Did the students stay in the classroom the whole time? Yes If not, did he instruct them to leave the classroom? No
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Doriana » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:26 pm

Do the students have a relevant disability because of which they do not notice that he's gone? Are they blind?

Relevant how many students are in the class?
Relevant what kind of class it is? If so, a lecture? a seminar? a lab?

Are the physical properties of the classroom relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:21 am

Do the students have a relevant disability because of which they do not notice that he's gone? No Are they blind? No

Relevant how many students are in the class? No. Assume it is a large class
Relevant what kind of class it is? Yes, very If so, a lecture? This a seminar? a lab?

Are the physical properties of the classroom relevant? As in the size? Not really. As in something else? Yes.
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:25 am

Are video/projectors relevant? Does he pre-record his lecture?
Do they think they are seeing him directly?
"Relevant what kind of class": as in subject?
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Re: [Balin] Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:34 pm

Does he pre-record his lecture? This.

****SPOILER****

The man, a college professor, was scheduled to give a 90-minute lecture. The night before, he pre-recorded his lecture and put his presentation (PowerPoint or something similar) on a timer. At the lecture, he turned off the lights at the front of the room before starting the recording and presentation, giving the impression he was still in the room. He left, drove back to his house, and killed his wife. The man sped back to the college because he feared he would arrive after the lecture's end, uncovering his ruse. In his hurry to beat a yellow traffic light, he saw the light turn red but ran it anyway. The camera on the light got a perfect photo of his face and his car, proving that he was not delivering the lecture at the time he'd claimed.

Well done Hobbs, well done everyone.
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Re: [Balin] (*CAPTURED*) Streetlight people

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:07 pm

Nice. I guess it's a good thing no one tried to interrupt with a question... But he dimmed the lights, so if they were anything like I was, they were asleep within ten minutes.
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Re: [Balin] (*CAPTURED*) Streetlight people

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:28 pm

For that reason, I realized about a quarter of the way into the puzzle that it had to be a lecture.
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