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[IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:34 pm

I am watching a group of people, let's call them Group A. Group A is pretending to be Group B pretending to be Group C. To to so, Group A does something that neither Group B or C could have possibly done.

Where am I?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:00 pm

Are you watching a play? a movie? some sort of performance?

Does group A consist of adults? does group B? does group C? Are their genders relevant?

Does group A do this as part of their job?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:05 pm

Is a reenactment relevant? If so, a war reenactment? Is technology relevantly used?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:48 pm

Doriana

Are you watching a play? Yes, well done! a movie? some sort of performance?

Does group A consist of adults? Yes. does group B? I believe mostly. does group C? Mostly. Are their genders relevant? It could help.

Does group A do this as part of their job? Yes.


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Is a reenactment relevant? In a sense. If so, a war reenactment? No. Is technology relevantly used? Not relevantly.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Westing1992 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:23 pm

So... group A is a group of actors? B is characters in a play? C is group characters pretend to be?
Was it Shakespeare? Relevant that only male actors were allowed during the Elizabethan era? Were group B crossdressing? A?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:10 pm

Westing1992

So... group A is a group of actors? Yes. B is characters in a play? No. C is group characters pretend to be? No.
Was it Shakespeare? The play is by Shakespeare, yes. Relevant that only male actors were allowed during the Elizabethan era? Not especially, it was just to help you get to Shakespeare. :) . Were group B crossdressing? Sometimes, irr. A? Sometimes, irr.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby GalFisk » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:52 pm

Is B other actors? Are the actors pretending to be other actors doing a Shakespeare play? Is C characters in the play? Are they making a film about the making of a play?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Westing1992 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:43 pm

Relevant which Shakespeare play? One based on history?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:07 pm

GalFisk

Is B other actors? Yes. Are the actors pretending to be other actors doing a Shakespeare play? Yes! Is C characters in the play? Yes indeed. Are they making a film about the making of a play? No.


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Relevant which Shakespeare play? Not really. One based on history? Could be.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Balin » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:20 pm

Were you watching:
The Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Abridged)?
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead?
Kiss Me, Kate?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Grip » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:10 pm

Is a anachronism relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:01 pm

Balin

Were you watching:
The Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Abridged)?
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead?
Kiss Me, Kate? No, it is an actual Shakespeare play, not relevant which.


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Is a anachronism relevant? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Grip » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:49 am

Is the relevant anachronism in the source material? or was it added/improvised by the actors or other members of the production?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Westing1992 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:20 pm

Did they use common stage equipment? Lights?
Did they use an anachronistic prop? Costume?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:07 pm

Grip

Is the relevant anachronism in the source material? No. or was it added/improvised by the actors or other members of the production? Yes. Typically it is planned, but it could conceivably be improv-ed.


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Did they use common stage equipment? Lights? Irr.
Did they use an anachronistic prop? No. Costume? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Grip » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:19 pm

is singing and/or dancing relevant? music?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:26 pm

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is singing and/or dancing relevant? music? No, though singing could be tangentially involved.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:01 am

Could B and C have done it physically? Or is it more that they wouldn't have had the knowledge to do it? Knowledge of future events?

Is the location relevant? Aspects of the set?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Westing1992 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:08 pm

Is group A using sign language? Some other modern means of communicating with the audience?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:24 pm

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Could B and C have done it physically? Interesting question. I'll say yes, physically. Or is it more that they wouldn't have had the knowledge to do it? Yes. Knowledge of future events? Not exactly, but along those lines.

Is the location relevant? Yes. Aspects of the set? No.

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Is group A using sign language? No. Some other modern means of communicating with the audience? Yesish.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Westing1992 » Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:49 pm

Semaphore? A non-English language?
Is who the audience is relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:53 pm

Westing1992

Semaphore? No. A non-English language? Nope, very much English.
Is who the audience is relevant? Not really, but might help.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Westing1992 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:55 pm

Is the audience very young? Very old (hard-of-hearing, poor vision)?
Is this being broadcast on television? Radio? Are subtitles relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:57 pm

Westing1992

Is the audience very young? Very old (hard-of-hearing, poor vision)? Irr.
Is this being broadcast on television? Radio? Are subtitles relevant? No to all.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:08 pm

Is it done in modern slang or other colloquial speech?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:41 am

Hobbsicle

Is it done in modern slang or other colloquial speech? No, but OTRT!
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Doriana » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:51 pm

American English vs. British English relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:11 am

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American English vs. British English relevant? Not exactly, explore.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Grip » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:39 pm

Accents relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Doriana » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:44 am

Shakesperean English vs. modern English relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:38 pm

Grip

Accents relevant? Yes, very much so.


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Shakesperean English vs. modern English relevant? Yesish.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Grip » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:56 pm

Does Group A speak/sing in an American accent (for instance Southern or New York) that of course didn't exist in Shakespearean/pre Shakespearean times?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:41 pm

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Does Group A speak/sing in an American accent (for instance Southern or New York) that of course didn't exist in Shakespearean/pre Shakespearean times? No, but you're very very close.
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Grip » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:32 pm

No, but you're very very close. Story of my life!

Just to check: this is an American production?

Are the actors trying to imitate British accents?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sat May 06, 2017 12:09 pm

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No, but you're very very close. Story of my life! :mrgreen:

Just to check: this is an American production? Yes.

Are the actors trying to imitate British accents? YES. Which is problematic...why?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby Westing1992 » Sat May 06, 2017 1:01 pm

Because Elizabethan accents were closer to American accents than modern British ones?
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Re: [IrishElk] West Side Story

Postby irishelk » Sat May 06, 2017 1:09 pm

Westing1992

Because Elizabethan accents were closer to American accents than modern British ones? Yes indeed. Nice group solve.


************************SPOILER

I am at an American theater that tries to faithfully recreate Shakespearean productions. Invariably to do this, Group A--the American actors--put on British accents to pretend to be Group B--a Shakespeare-era theatre troupe--in order to pose as Group C--the characters in the play.

The only problem, of course, is that the British accent we know was an invention of the 19th century. As Westing points out, the Age of Exploration British accent was probably closer to modern American accents (I've read it was probably most like a Georgia accent, bizarrely). Alas for our players, neither Shakespeare's troupe, nor the older European characters they portray, could have possibly spoken in a modern British accent. Still a good time, though.
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Re: [IrishElk] {YE OLDE SOLVED} West Side Story

Postby Grip » Sat May 06, 2017 1:16 pm

Nice!
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Re: [IrishElk] {YE OLDE SOLVED} West Side Story

Postby Balin » Sun May 07, 2017 11:43 am

Splendid!
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