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[Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:27 pm

Hermione (H/A/F) was able to get her suitcase back because Neville (H/A/M) didn't have a ticket.

True story, slightly embellished. Harry Potter is not relevant.
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:21 pm

Back: from being lost? Stolen? Misrouted? Hidden? Mistaken for another?
Ticket: to a bus? Train? Airplane? Subway? Tram?
Did Neville travel without a ticket? Or attempt to do so?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:32 pm

Back: from being lost? Thisish Stolen? Misrouted? Hidden? Mistaken for another?
Ticket: to a bus? Train? This Airplane? Subway? Tram?
Did Neville travel without a ticket? Yes Or attempt to do so? No, he was successful
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:46 pm

Lostish: forgotten somewhere? Accidentally taken by someone else? Fallen off a transport?
Did Neville get away scot free?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:51 pm

Lostish: forgotten somewhere? This Accidentally taken by someone else? Fallen off a transport?
Did Neville get away scot free? Assume yes
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:00 pm

Forgotten: at home? At a station? On a train? Did Hermione ride on a train? If so, the same train as Neville?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:04 pm

Forgotten: at home? At a station? On a train? This Did Hermione ride on a train? Yes If so, the same train as Neville? Yes
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:12 pm

Did she get on where Neville did? Get off where he did? Get on where he got off? Get off where he got on? Did she get off without her suitcase? Or was she about to, but didn't? Did Neville do something specific in order not to get caught?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:17 pm

Did she get on where Neville did? Irrel Get off where he did? Irrel Get on where he got off? No Get off where he got on? No Did she get off without her suitcase? Yes Or was she about to, but didn't? No Did Neville do something specific in order not to get caught? YES
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Zanreo » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:50 pm

Did Neville pretend to have a ticket? Say he left his ticket in his (actually Hermione's) suitcase?
Did Neville and Hermione know each other?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:25 am

Did Neville pretend to have a ticket? Say he left his ticket in his (actually Hermione's) suitcase? No to both
Did Neville and Hermione know each other? No
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:38 am

Did the train stop longer because of Neville's action? So that Hermione could realize her suitcase was still on the train?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:28 am

Did Neville: hide? Change seats? Disguise himself? Get off amd then on again? Did she see him? Did she know he had no ticket? Did he do something she found odd or suspicious?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:04 pm

Did the train stop longer because of Neville's action? So that Hermione could realize her suitcase was still on the train? No to both

Did Neville: hide? Yes Change seats? Disguise himself? Get off amd then on again? Did she see him? Did she know he had no ticket? Did he do something she found odd or suspicious? No to rest
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:23 am

Did he touch her luggage? Did she go back on the train to retrieve it? Were any other people involved?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:27 pm

Did he touch her luggage? No Did she go back on the train to retrieve it? No Were any other people involved? Yes, indirectly
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:34 am

Relevant where Neville was hiding? In the toilet? In the restaurant car? Crouching behind suitcases? Was he hiding before Hermione got off the train?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:41 am

Relevant where Neville was hiding? yes In the toilet? THIS In the restaurant car? Crouching behind suitcases? Was he hiding before Hermione got off the train? yes
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:56 am

Oh, I hope the joke about mathematicians and physicists (or economists and engineers) hiding in the toilet is not relevant?
Did Hermione want to use the restroom when it was busy because Neville was hiding there? Someone else?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:01 am

Oh, I hope the joke about mathematicians and physicists (or economists and engineers) hiding in the toilet is not relevant? No (Although the "slightly embellished" part of the puzzle was inspired by it)
Did Hermione want to use the restroom when it was busy because Neville was hiding there? yes Someone else? no
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:07 am

Did Hermione relevantly use the same restroom on the train later? Another restroom on the train? A restroom on the station? Somewhere else?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:28 am

Did Hermione relevantly use the same restroom on the train later? No Another restroom on the train? A restroom on the station? Somewhere else? The rest is irrel
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:31 am

Would Hermione have gone to the restroom with her suitcase? Would someone have stolen her suitcase had she gone to the restroom?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:44 am

Would Hermione have gone to the restroom with her suitcase? Would someone have stolen her suitcase had she gone to the restroom? No to both
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:01 am

Did Hermione have to provide evidence when retrieving the suitcase that it was actually hers? Such as her reservation ticket? Would she not have this anymore had she used the toilet? Maybe because the toilet was out of paper and poor Hermione had to use the ticket in desperation for...this purpose?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:08 am

Did Hermione have to provide evidence when retrieving the suitcase that it was actually hers? No, but explore Such as her reservation ticket? She did not have a reservation, which might be relevant/helpful to know Would she not have this anymore had she used the toilet? Maybe because the toilet was out of paper and poor Hermione had to use the ticket in desperation for...this purpose? No to rest
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:19 pm

Did Hermione retrieve the suitcase on the train going the way back? At some station's lost and found? With the help of another Person?
Had she complained about the busy restroom to someone? Was she (and/or her luggage) recognized because of this?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:19 pm

Did Hermione retrieve the suitcase on the train going the way back? No At some station's lost and found? Yes With the help of another Person? Yes
Had she complained about the busy restroom to someone? Was she (and/or her luggage) recognized because of this? No to both
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:44 pm

Was the other person (M?F?) on the train at the time? a conductor? a passenger?
Has he or she seen Hermione with the suitcase? Would they have not seen Hermione with the suitcase if he had been to the restroom?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Was the other person (M?F? irrel) on the train at the time? a conductor? a passenger? No to all
Has he or she seen Hermione with the suitcase? No Would they have not seen Hermione with the suitcase if he had been to the restroom? Not applicable
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Does Hermione know the other person? (Ron?) Has Ron picked up the suitcase for her? Has she called Ron on her mobile phone? Would she be unable to call Ron had she been on the toilet?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:16 pm

Does Hermione know the other person? No (Ron? Sure, why not) Has Ron picked up the suitcase for her? Has she called Ron on her mobile phone? Would she be unable to call Ron had she been on the toilet? No to all. There might be some confusion about the timeline of events.
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:41 pm

If Neville hadn't hidden, would Hermione never have gotten the suitcase back? Possibly gotten it back, but not for certain? Did it end up at lost&found because of Neville? End up at a different lost&found than it would otherwise have?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:46 pm

If Neville hadn't hidden, would Hermione never have gotten the suitcase back? See next answer Possibly gotten it back, but not for certain? This, and/or it might have taken longer Did it end up at lost&found because of Neville? No End up at a different lost&found than it would otherwise have? Probably
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:31 pm

Was the suitcase brought to the lost&found at one terminal stop of the train? If it weren't fir Neville, would the suitcase have been arrived at the other terminal stop of the train? Has Hermione traveled too far by accident, and had to get part of the way back?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:03 pm

Was the suitcase brought to the lost&found at one terminal stop of the train? No, it was brought to the lost&found at the stop after the one where Hermione got off If it weren't fir Neville, would the suitcase have been arrived at the other terminal stop of the train? No, it would (probably) have arrived at the terminal stop that it was headed to Has Hermione traveled too far by accident, and had to get part of the way back? No
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:20 pm

Do we need to know more about the suitcase? Dif it have a name tag on it? An address?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:37 pm

Do we need to know more about the suitcase? Not really... Dif it have a name tag on it? An address? ... but no to both, which might be helpful
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:07 pm

Was Ron on the train at any time? Has Hermione met him on the platform? Did she talk to him about the lost suitcase?

Was there anything on the suitcase that helped recognize Hermione's suitcase? Had Hermione planned to wash it off? With water from the toilet?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:34 pm

Was Ron on the train at any time? Has Hermione met him on the platform? No to these, but I just realized that there is a second relevant person who was at the train at some point. Did she talk to him about the lost suitcase? Yes

Was there anything on the suitcase that helped recognize Hermione's suitcase? Had Hermione planned to wash it off? With water from the toilet? No to all
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:41 pm

Are any details relevant how Hermione claimed the luggage at the lost & found? Does Hermione talk to Ron in Person? or on the phone? Does Ron work at the Station? At the lost & found? Does Ron tell Hermione where the luggage went?

Does anyone on the train recognize Hermione's luggage? Realize that the luggage is unattended? Does he or she realize that the luggage is unattended because Hermione was not in the restroom?

Did Hermione plan to use the restroom for its usual purpose? Or do something else there?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:52 pm

Are any details relevant how Hermione claimed the luggage at the lost & found? Yes Does Hermione talk to Ron in Person? Yes or on the phone? Does Ron work at the Station? Yes, but not at the station where she got her suitcase back At the lost & found? No, he works at the information desk Does Ron tell Hermione where the luggage went? Yope, explore

Does anyone on the train recognize Hermione's luggage? Yesish Realize that the luggage is unattended? Yes Does he or she realize that the luggage is unattended because Hermione was not in the restroom? No

Did Hermione plan to use the restroom for its usual purpose? This Or do something else there?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:29 pm

Did Ron call someone on the train to take care if Hermione's suitcase?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:35 pm

Did Ron call someone on the train to take care if Hermione's suitcase? Yes

To help you figure out what's missing, here's a timeline of events

- Hermione and Neville are on a train
- Hermione wants to use the restroom, but it is occupied by Neville (who is hiding in there because he does not have a ticket)
- ???
- Hermione goes back to her seat
- Hermione gets off at station A, realizes that she has forgotten her suitcase, and goes to the information desk
- Ron, an information desk clerk at station A, calls someone on the train to take care of her suitcase, which has no tag (or any other way to identify the owner) on it
- The suitcase is brought to the lost&found at station B, where Hermione is eventually able to retrieve it
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Grip » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:51 pm

Does Hermione speak to Neville before she goes back to her seat? does she come into physical contact with him?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:01 pm

Does Hermione speak to Neville before she goes back to her seat? does she come into physical contact with him? No to both
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Grip » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:06 pm

Before Hermione goes back to her seat, does she end up using the restroom?

Is hand washing relevant?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:40 am

Is identifying the suitcase relevant? Does she do something with the suitcase at "???"?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:44 pm

Before Hermione goes back to her seat, does she end up using the restroom? Assume no

Is hand washing relevant? No

Is identifying the suitcase relevant? Yes Does she do something with the suitcase at "???"? No. Assume she never touches the suitcase between getting on the train and retrieving it at the lost&found
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:03 pm

Is anyone sending photos of the suitcase?

When Hermione was not in the restroom: Had she met a conductor? Had she her ticket checked?
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Postby Doriana » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:15 pm

Is anyone sending photos of the suitcase? No

When Hermione was not in the restroom: Had she met a conductor? Had she her ticket checked? Irrel to both
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Postby Grip » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:05 pm

Was anything illegal in the suitcase? that was put there by Neville?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:24 pm

Was anything illegal in the suitcase? that was put there by Neville? No to both. Neville did not interact with the suitcase at all.

HINT: What are some questions Ron (the information desk clerk) might have asked her in order to identify the suitcase?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:14 am

What it looked like? Where on the train it was placed? What was inside? Did she have more information to give because of not getting to use the bathroom? Did she get to use another bathroom in the train? Did she relevantly wait near the bathroom? Look at a bathroom busy indicator?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:07 am

What it looked like? Where on the train it was placed? This is relevant What was inside? Did she have more information to give because of not getting to use the bathroom? Yes Did she get to use another bathroom in the train? Irrel Did she relevantly wait near the bathroom? Yes! Look at a bathroom busy indicator? No, but she did look somewhere relevant
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:24 am

Did she read the car number while waiting in front of the restroom?
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Re: [Doriana] Accio

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:33 am

Did she read the car number while waiting in front of the restroom? YES

********SPOILER********

Hermione is waiting to use the restroom on a train. It's occupied for an unusually long time because No-ticket-Neville is hiding in there, so Hermione gets bored and ends up reading the signs around her, including one with the car number.

She gets off the train, but forgets her suitcase, so she heads to the information desk at the train station. The clerk asks her for a description of the suitcase including its location on the train, which Hermione only knows because she read it earlier. Someone on the train is then able to identify the suitcase based on her information and unload it at the next station, where Hermione happily retrieves it from the Lost & Found.
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