[Hobbsicle] F for Effort

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[Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:28 am

A teacher gave one of her students a C on his paper, and in so doing, she helped win a centuries old battle in the war against corruption. So she changed it to an A+.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Doriana » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:41 am

Is the student a child? teeanger? adult?
Relevant what the paper was about?
Relevant where this happened?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:10 pm

Is the student a child? teeanger? adult? College age
Relevant what the paper was about? Yes
Relevant where this happened? Yes, to a degree
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby biograd » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:20 pm

Did receiving the C prompt the student to redo the paper? Did it lead the student to research something he would not have otherwise researched? or in more depth than he would have otherwise? If so, did the student uncover some instance of corruption in the process?

Was the paper about something political? something financial/business related?

Along a different line of thinking, was there corruption within the university at which the professor was teaching (and at which the student was studying)? Did the poor grade prompt the student to negatively evaluate the professor? which then caused someone higher up in the department to take an action?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:59 pm

Did receiving the C prompt the student to redo the paper? Did it lead the student to research something he would not have otherwise researched? or in more depth than he would have otherwise? This is closest
If so, did the student uncover some instance of corruption in the process? No

Was the paper about something political? This something financial/business related? money is involved

Along a different line of thinking, was there corruption within the university at which the professor was teaching (and at which the student was studying)? Did the poor grade prompt the student to negatively evaluate the professor? which then caused someone higher up in the department to take an action? No to these, but I like the thinking
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Grip » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:00 pm

Did the student (may I call him Vernon?) after getting the C try to prove to the teacher (April?) he deserved a higher score? if so, by doing research? looking for more info on the subject of the paper?

Was the subject of the class literature? one of the sciences? math? politics? history?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:56 am

Did the student (may I call him Vernon? But of course) after getting the C try to prove to the teacher (April? Sure) he deserved a higher score? YES ... slight ish, but that's mostly correct if so, by doing research? Some was involved, but not the primary thing looking for more info on the subject of the paper? some of this as well, but again, there is more to it

Was the subject of the class literature? one of the sciences? math? politics? This (a Government class of some kind) history?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Doriana » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:20 pm

Was the paper about corruption?

Did he relevantly show the paper to anyone else besides the teacher? If so, before receiving a C? After receiving a C?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:37 pm

Was the paper about corruption? Not about corruption per se, but the concept is involved

Did he relevantly show the paper to anyone else besides the teacher? If so, before receiving a C? After receiving a C? No one relevantly saw the paper before or after turning it in
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:35 pm

PM sent.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:51 am

Sent reply

Balin asked whether this was the story about the FedEx founder who submitted his corporation idea as an assignment, got a bad grade, but proceeded to start the company. It is not that, though there are similarities.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Doriana » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:13 pm

Does this take place in the US? Is the paper about something US-related?

Is the paper about a specific government institution? about the history of something? about a specific person? about a policy?
Does the paper relevantly critisize an institution? a person? a policy? Does it involve ideas how to improve something?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Balin » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:59 pm

Is the length of the paper relevant? Is it particularly long? Short?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:12 pm

Doriana

Does this take place in the US? Is the paper about something US-related? Yes to both

Is the paper about a specific government institution? Yes-ish about the history of something? Yes-ish about a specific person? No about a policy? Yes
Does the paper relevantly critisize an institution? a person? a policy? No to these Does it involve ideas how to improve something? YES

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Is the length of the paper relevant? No Is it particularly long? Short?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Grip » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:05 pm

Is the papers ideas on improvement related to the postal service?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:25 am

Is the papers ideas on improvement related to the postal service? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Grip » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:36 am

Is the paper about taxation? law enforcement?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:41 am

Is the paper about taxation? law enforcement? No to both
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Grip » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:56 pm

Is the paper about the military?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:27 am

Is the paper about the military? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Grip » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:51 am

The yesish specific government institution - local? state? federal?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:24 pm

The yesish specific government institution - local? state? federal? This, I'll say that it was about congress. I won't make you guess all the details, but just the gist of what he wrote about, particularly what he suggested could be done.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Grip » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:53 pm

Are term limits relevant?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:38 pm

Are term limits relevant? Yes, terms are one of the two things that are relevant about congress.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:46 am

Are term lengths also relevant?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:46 pm

Are term lengths also relevant? Not really, only that there are limited terms. He wasn't hoping to change anything about the terms themselves.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:26 am

HINT: The other thing about Congress is their pay. It had to do with members of congress giving themselves raises. So, without needing to go into specifics about what changes he was suggesting in Congress, what was his overall approach that the teacher found not seaworthy, but C-worthy? (Sorry for that...)
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Balin » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:31 pm

The Languishing Amendment?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:42 pm

The Languishing Amendment? Yes

******************SPOILER***********************

This is the story of Gregory Watson, the student at the University of Texas in Austin who, during a government class in 1982, received the assignment to write about a government process. After doing some research, he discovered that there was an amendment to the Constitution that was proposed 200 years ago, around the same time as the Bill of Rights, that was never ratified. It was proposed by James Madison, and set the rule that no change to the compensation of members of Congress could take place until the following term (so that they couldn't give themselves raises). Only a handful of states approved the measure, so it never became law.

Well, Gregory Watson realizes that there is no particular expiration date on the measure, so he hatches a plan to get it ratified, centuries later. He writes his plan in his paper, and turns it in. Unfortunately, his teacher is not too impressed, and isn't convinced that Gregory is correct about his assumptions, so she gives him a C. "So I thought right then and there," says Gregory, "I'm going to get that thing ratified."

Fast forward 10 years and a lot of letter writing and lobbying later, and he is able to get the required 38 states to pass the legislation, getting the 27th amendment into the Constitution, the most recent amendment to date. So a few weeks ago, the teacher (now retired) and others at the University of Texas found a way to change Gregory's grade to an A, and presented it to him. It was, I suppose, the least they could do.

You can read an article about it here: http://kut.org/post/he-got-bad-grade-so ... e-deserves
It's filled with all kinds of fun irony, and even the headline reads like a lateral puzzle.


Thanks for playing! The puzzle maybe didn't work all that well in my mind, as you either know the story (GalFisk guessed it first through PM), or there is too much guesswork about specific political details after the basic situation has been discovered. Thanks Balin, for the final question to put it to an end.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] F for Effort (RATIFIED)

Postby Balin » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:28 pm

I had heard the story behind the amendment and that its languishing had been discovered by a student, but I didn't know about the grade change. Thanks for the new info!
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