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by **Balin** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:19 pm

A man was arrested because he took a bag from his neighbor's house. Why?

by **GalFisk** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:32 pm

Bag: plastic? Paper? Fabric? Shopping bag? From inside the house? Outside? Was the taking of the bag a crime? Was he arrested solely for taking this bag? Did taking the bag make him the suspect of another crime? Had he actually done anything wrong, apart from taking the bag? Was he arrested on false premises? Did he intend to get arrested? Did the neighbor know he took the bag? Accuse him of taking the bag? Was the man framed? Did the man try to frame someone? To obstruct justice? To mislead someone?

by **Balin** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:58 pm

Bag: plastic? This Paper? Fabric?
Shopping bag? No
From inside the house? This Outside?
Was the taking of the bag a crime? Technically Was he arrested solely for taking this bag? No Did taking the bag make him the suspect of another crime? Yes Had he actually done anything wrong, apart from taking the bag? Yes Was he arrested on false premises? No Did he intend to get arrested? No
Did the neighbor know he took the bag? No Accuse him of taking the bag? No Was the man framed? No
Did the man try to frame someone? No To obstruct justice? Yes To mislead someone? No

by **GalFisk** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:28 pm

Was the bag taken before the other crime was committed? Was it involved in the crime? Did it have relevant fingerprints? Traces of other relevant things? Is a murder relevant?

by **Grip** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:57 pm

Did the bag contain food? money?

by **Balin** » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:34 am

Was the bag taken before the other crime was committed? No Was it involved in the crime? In a part of the crime, Yes Did it have relevant fingerprints? No Traces of other relevant things? No Is a murder relevant? Oh yes.

Did the bag contain food? At some point money? No

by **Hobbsicle** » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:47 am

Does he take the bag because he knows it will point to his crime? Is it his bag? The neighbor's bag? If not his, was it in his possession at some point?
Is what is currently in the bag relevant?
Did he murder his neighbor? Someone in his household?

by **Balin** » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:56 am

Does he take the bag because he knows it will point to his crime? No Is it his bag? No The neighbor's bag? Yes If not his, was it in his possession at some point? Yes
Is what is currently in the bag relevant? Somewhat
Did he murder his neighbor? Yes Someone in his household? No

by **Hobbsicle** » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:24 pm

Did he murder the neighbor while in the neighbor's house? Did he take the bag with him when he left? Or return to get it later?

Was the bag a trash bag? Did he use it to kill? Is robbery also involved?

by **Balin** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:20 am

Did he murder the neighbor while in the neighbor's house? Yes Did he take the bag with him when he left? Yes Or return to get it later? No

Was the bag a trash bag? No Did he use it to kill? No Is robbery also involved? No

by **GalFisk** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:27 am

Did eh take the bag before the murder? During? After? Had he not taken the bag, would he still have been arrested? Did the bag tie him to the crime?

by **Balin** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:27 pm

Did he take the bag before the murder? During? After? This
Had he not taken the bag, would he still have been arrested? Assume No Did the bag tie him to the crime? Indirectly

by **Hobbsicle** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:05 am

Was it a grocery sack? A fast food bag? Did he use the bag for anything other a bag's usual purpose of containing things?

Did he want what was in the bag? Did he know what was in the bag? Did he think something else was in the bag? Was anything in the bag at all?

If he had left the bag, would it have been less likely that he would have been caught? Is the bag's absence what leads to the arrest? Or the bag's presence elsewhere?

by **Balin** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:41 am

Was it a grocery sack? A fast food bag? Neither Did he use the bag for anything other a bag's usual purpose of containing things? No

Did he want what was in the bag? No Did he know what was in the bag? Yes Did he think something else was in the bag? No Was anything in the bag at all? Yes

If he had left the bag, would it have been less likely that he would have been caught? Assume Yes Is the bag's absence what leads to the arrest? No Or the bag's presence elsewhere? No

by **Hobbsicle** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:19 am

Was it a ziploc bag or something similar?

Is the method of murder relevant?
The motive?

Did the bag have a relevant smell that attracted a dog or other animal?

Did he give the bag to the neighbor? Perhaps put poisoned food into it?

by **Balin** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:49 am

Was it a ziploc bag or something similar? No

Is the method of murder relevant? Yes
The motive? No, other than it was an impulsive crime

Did the bag have a relevant smell that attracted a dog or other animal? No

Did he give the bag to the neighbor? Perhaps put poisoned food into it? No to both

by **Balin** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:51 pm

HINT: The bag originally contained food. At some point, it contained something else instead.

by **Hobbsicle** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:46 pm

Is the bag food packaging? Did neighbor relevantly eat the food? The man? Are the bag's original contents used in the murder? The bag's later contents? Are the later contents organic? A man-made object?

by **Balin** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:12 pm

Is the bag food packaging? Yes
Did neighbor relevantly eat the food? The man? No one ate the food, and that is relevant
Are the bag's original contents used in the murder? No The bag's later contents? Yes
Are the later contents organic? No A man-made object? Yes

by **Hobbsicle** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:10 am

Does he enter the neighbor's house while the bag is still full of food? When he murders the neighbor, is the bag still full of food? Does he himself empty the bag? Before the murder? After? Is it relevant what type of food? Is it frozen food? Refrigerated? Pantry food?

Does he use the bag as a means to not leave fingerprints?

Does he stab the neighbor? Shoot him? Strangle him? Suffocate him? Poison him? Hit him over the head?

by **Balin** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:57 am

Does he enter the neighbor's house while the bag is still full of food? Yes When he murders the neighbor, is the bag still full of food? Yes Does he himself empty the bag? Yes Before the murder? After? This Is it relevant what type of food? Yes Is it frozen food? No Refrigerated? No Pantry food? I'm not sure what is considered "pantry food"

Does he use the bag as a means to not leave fingerprints? No

Does he stab the neighbor? This; also, the neighbor is female Shoot him? Strangle him? Suffocate him? Poison him? Hit him over the head?

by **Hobbsicle** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:39 am

I was just trying to find a way to say "food that doesn't need to be temperature controlled". Is it human food? Or animal food? Is it a vegetable? Fruit? Grain? Snack? Dessert?

Does he use the food for something? Or does he just need the bag? Does he put the knife in the bag? Or is it empty when he takes it?

by **Balin** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:32 pm

I was just trying to find a way to say "food that doesn't need to be temperature controlled". In that case, the answer is Yes.
Is it human food? This Or animal food?
Is it a vegetable? Fruit? Grain? This Snack? Dessert?

Does he use the food for something? No Or does he just need the bag? Yes
Does he put the knife in the bag? Yes Or is it empty when he takes it? So no

by **Hobbsicle** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:33 am

Does he do anything relevant with the food or just get rid of it? Is it bread? Cereal? Rice? Oatmeal? Chips? Crackers?

Is there something relevantly helpful about this particular food's bag that sets it apart from other plastic bags? Size? Durability? Or would other types of plastic bags work?

So the timeline is something like: enters house?
Stabs neighbor with knife? (Is it relevant whose knife it is?)
Finds bag?
Empties bag?
Puts knife in bag?
Does something else here? Or just leaves?
Does he do anything relevant before killing her?

by **Balin** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:25 am

Does he do anything relevant with the food or just get rid of it? Well, it is relevant how he gets rid of it Is it bread? This; specifically, it is hamburger buns Cereal? Rice? Oatmeal? Chips? Crackers?

Is there something relevantly helpful about this particular food's bag that sets it apart from other plastic bags? Not particularly Size? Durability? Or would other types of plastic bags work? They would have worked, and it would have been less likely he would have been caught!

So the timeline is something like: enters house?
Stabs neighbor with knife? (Is it relevant whose knife it is?) I think it was the neighbor's knife, but irrel.
Finds bag?
Empties bag?
Puts knife in bag?
Does something else here? Or just leaves? That's pretty much correct, actually
Does he do anything relevant before killing her? No. There was a struggle, but it's not relevant to the puzzle.

by **Balin** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:52 pm

HINT: Examine this question and answer, along with the timeline. And remember that the type of food (hamburger buns) is relevant.
Does he do anything relevant with the food or just get rid of it? Well, it is relevant how he gets rid of it

by **Grip** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:24 am

Did he get rid of the food by feeding it to an animal? simply throwing it away?

by **Balin** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:08 am

Did he get rid of the food by feeding it to an animal? No simply throwing it away? Yope, explore

by **Grip** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:42 pm

Did he cram the food into a garbage disposal?

by **GalFisk** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:10 pm

Dis the buns have sesame seeds on them? Relevant?

by **Balin** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:31 pm

Did he cram the food into a garbage disposal? No

Did the buns have sesame seeds on them? I don't think so Relevant? Irrel

by **Hobbsicle** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:03 am

Did the food stay in the house? Did he leave a breadcrumb trail?

by **Balin** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:04 am

Did the food stay in the house? Yes Did he leave a breadcrumb trail? No

by **Hobbsicle** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:47 am

If he had just put the bread in the place where he did, then put the bag back without taking it or putting the knife in it, would it still have led to his arrest? Do they test the bread for DNA or something? Does it matter where he puts it specifically? Or more how he puts it there (e.g. with his bare hands)?

by **Balin** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:08 pm

If he had just put the bread in the place where he did, then put the bag back without taking it or putting the knife in it, would it still have led to his arrest? Yes Do they test the bread for DNA or something? No, but OTRT! Does it matter where he puts it specifically? Yes(ish) Or more how he puts it there? No (e.g. with his bare hands) But OTRT!

by **Hobbsicle** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:59 pm

Does the bread itself now contain whatever info was needed to apprehend him? If so, his tissue or blood? His fingerprint? His shoe-print?

by **Acridian9** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:48 pm

Does the bread contain bite marks ? a cut made with the knife? his palm print?
Was the bread concealed somewhere? Was it in plain sight? relevant?

by **Balin** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:54 pm

Does the bread contain bite marks? No a cut made with the knife? No his palm print? OTRT, see below
Was the bread concealed somewhere? No Was it in plain sight? Yes relevant? Yes

Does the bread itself now contain whatever info was needed to apprehend him? Yes If so, his tissue or blood? No His fingerprint? OTRT... His shoe-print? ...close enough. His toe print.

****SPOILER****

Carlos Robinson stabbed his neighbor to death in her bathroom, then emptied a bag of hamburger buns onto the bathroom floor in order to carry out the knife in the bag to prevent leaving a trail of blood. But he stepped on one of the soft buns and left his toe print in the bun, and that was the evidence that convicted him.

Once again, I got this from an episode of Forensic Files. Will my new puzzle be from yet another episode? Find out by asking questions!

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