Lateral Puzzles • View topic - (LemonCurry) I know what you did second-to-last summer

by **LemonCurry** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:45 pm

Because Willy and Emily were no plumbers, Rebecca became the inaugural victim of George's vanity.

True story, except for the names. Everyone is HA and what their name suggests.

by **Konnie** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:50 pm

Do all four know each other? Are any biologically related? Married? Friends? Co-workers? Relevant?
Are either Rebecca or George plumbers?

by **LemonCurry** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:24 pm

Do all four know each other? Are any biologically related? Married? Friends? Co-workers? Relevant?
Willy and Emily are co-workers. Everyone else do not know one another.
Are either Rebecca or George plumbers? no

by **Doriana** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:29 pm

Did Rebecca think that Willy and Emily were plumbers? Did George?

Is Willy's and Emily's job relevant? Rebecca's job? George's job?

by **Konnie** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:42 pm

Did Willy and Emily pretend to be plumbers? Attempt to do a job normally reserved for plumbers?
Did Rebecca or George attempt to do plumbing work?
If Willy and Emily were plumbers, would anyone still be a victim of George's vanity?

by **LemonCurry** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:47 pm

Did Rebecca think that Willy and Emily were plumbers? yesish Did George? no

Is Willy's and Emily's job relevant? yes, please do not invoke an LTPF list Rebecca's job? only that she is no plumber George's job?
yope

by **LemonCurry** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:49 pm

Did Willy and Emily pretend to be plumbers? Attempt to do a job normally reserved for plumbers? no to these
Did Rebecca or George attempt to do plumbing work? Rebecca, maybe
If Willy and Emily were plumbers, would anyone still be a victim of George's vanity? Very likely

by **kalira** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:28 pm

Were Willy and Emily involved in the design/creation/marketing of some kind of tool or reference that Rebecca used?

Did each of Willy and Emily do something distinct that was relevant to the puzzle? or is it more that they were part of a single entity that did whatever relevant thing it was they did? (i.e., is it relevant that both are included in the puzzle, or could it just as easily have been a single name?)

Just to make sure there aren't any tricksy word games going on, vanity = excessive pride in one's appearance? vanity = dressing table usually with a mirror?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:56 am

Were Willy and Emily involved in the design/creation/marketing of some kind of tool or reference that Rebecca used? No

Did each of Willy and Emily do something distinct that was relevant to the puzzle? or is it more that they were part of a single entity that did whatever relevant thing it was they did? (i.e., is it relevant that both are included in the puzzle, or could it just as easily have been a single name?)
Willy and Emily were acting as a team. There is no relevant distinction between them both

Just to make sure there aren't any tricksy word games going on, vanity = excessive pride in one's appearance? vanity = dressing table usually with a mirror? The character trait

by **Doriana** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:03 am

Do Willy and Emma ever meet Rebecca? Meet George? Do George and Rebecca ever meet?

Is there anything broken in Rebecca's house that would require a plumber? Had she actually called a plumber? Do Willy and Emma show up at her house unexpectedly when she was waiting for the plumber, so she mistakes them for plumbers? If so, are Willy and Emma door-to-door salespeople? Jehova's Witnesses? Mormons? collecting donations? collecting signatures? campaining?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:12 am

Do Willy and Emma ever meet Rebecca? Yes Meet George? no Do George and Rebecca ever meet? unlikely, assume no

Is there anything broken in Rebecca's house that would require a plumber? Yes Had she actually called a plumber? Yes Do Willy and Emma show up at her house unexpectedly when she was waiting for the plumber, so she mistakes them for plumbers? Yes!

If so, are Willy and Emma door-to-door salespeople? Jehova's Witnesses? Mormons? collecting donations? collecting signatures? campaining?
No to these - but I expected someone to guess all those at this point...

Good round, but her name is Emily...

by **Doriana** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:18 am

LemonCurry wrote:
Good round, but her name is Emily...

Oops

Relevant what exactly is broken in Rebecca's house?

Are Willy and Emily (!) up to anything illegal? Did they know that Rebecca had called a plumber?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:27 am

Relevant what exactly is broken in Rebecca's house? Just insofar as she was REALLY waiting for the plumber - it was the heating in midwinter, and her kid had the flu...

Are Willy and Emily (!) up to anything illegal? No Did they know that Rebecca had called a plumber? No

by **Balin** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:58 pm

Did Willy and Emily go to Rebecca's house as part of their job? Did they know they were going to Rebecca's house? Did they think they were going to George's house?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:01 pm

Did Willy and Emily go to Rebecca's house as part of their job? Yes Did they know they were going to Rebecca's house? Yes Did they think they were going to George's house? No

by **Hobbsicle** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:29 pm

Were they delivering something? Something from George?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:01 pm

Were they delivering something? noish from George? no, but explore

by **Balin** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:56 pm

Are Willy and Emily employed in some sort of trade?

by **Hobbsicle** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:05 am

Did W&E bring something relevant with them? Is there something relevant about their appearance that makes her think they are plumbers? Are they there as a result of George?

by **LemonCurry** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:31 am

Balin

Are Willy and Emily employed in some sort of trade? no

Hobbsicle

Did W&E bring something relevant with them? yes Is there something relevant about their appearance that makes her think they are plumbers? no, they are mistaken for plumbers just because they had come to Rebecca's house at the time. Rebecca did realize they were no plumbers in a few seconds Are they there as a result of George? yes

by **Konnie** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:17 am

Kind of wild guess. Are Willy and Emily reporters? Did they come to interview Rebecca? On the subject of George?
Are they police officers?
Was Rebecca a "victim" in that she was injured? Killed? Embarrassed? Inconvenienced?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:57 am

Kind of wild guess. Are Willy and Emily reporters? Did they come to interview Rebecca? On the subject of George? no to these
Are they police officers? no
Was Rebecca a "victim" in that she was injured? Killed? Embarrassed? Inconvenienced?
she was certainly embarrassed and inconvenienced, but that is not the main point

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:33 am

Does Rebecca suffer financial loss because of George's vanity?

Does Rebecca live in a house? in an apartment? Relevant?
Does George relevantly live near Rebecca?

Did Willy and Emily target Rebecca's house specifically? all households in the area? all households that met a certain criterion?

Is Rebecca's child relevant to the solution?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:54 am

Does Rebecca suffer financial loss because of George's vanity? Possibly

Does Rebecca live in a house? in an apartment? Relevant? Irrelevant
Does George relevantly live near Rebecca? Relevantly not

Did Willy and Emily target Rebecca's house specifically? yes
all households in the area? no all households that met a certain criterion? doyd, maybe they target a couple more households that day

Is Rebecca's child relevant to the solution? no

by **Balin** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:48 am

Did they target Rebecca's house because of something to do with Rebecca? Something to do with the house? Security systems relevant?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:56 am

Did they target Rebecca's house because of something to do with Rebecca? yes Something to do with the house? no Security systems relevant? no

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:14 am

Had Rebecca won something? And W&E were there to notify her of her win?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:37 am

Had Rebecca won something? Yesish
And W&E were there to notify her of her win? But not this

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:58 am

Has Rebecca been selected as a contestant on a TV show?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:59 am

Has Rebecca been selected as a contestant on a TV show? no

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:20 pm

Are Willy and Emily there to inform Rebecca about something? to give her something? to take something from her? to take her somewhere?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:30 pm

Are Willy and Emily there to inform Rebecca about something? yes to give her something? noish
to take something from her? yes to take her somewhere? no

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:32 pm

Do they want to take money from her? a tangible object? objects?

Has Rebecca failed to pay a bill? Are they fining her?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:48 pm

Do they want to take money from her? no a tangible object? tangible yes, but I wouldn't call it an object objects?

Has Rebecca failed to pay a bill? no Are they fining her? no

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:08 pm

Not an object... is it something animate that they want? Do they want her signature? Do they take a picture of her?

If Rebecca had known that W&E were not plumbers, would she have opened the door in the first place? Relevant?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:29 pm

Not an object... is it something animate that they want? No
Do they want her signature? Probably this too, but this is not the main point Do they take a picture of her? No

If Rebecca had known that W&E were not plumbers, would she have opened the door in the first place? Possibly not
Relevant? To find out what's going on, sure

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:53 pm

Was Rebecca expecting W&E?
Had George sent W&E?
Did Rebecca act negatively to their visit? positively? neutrally?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:11 pm

Was Rebecca expecting W&E? not at all
Had George sent W&E? yope, explore
Did Rebecca act negatively to their visit? most definitely Yes positively? neutrally?

by **Doriana** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:47 pm

Is the title relevant? Do W&E know anything relevant about Rebecca? Does George? If so, something she did second-to-last summer? Something she wanted to keep a secret?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:54 pm

Is the title relevant? this time, Yes (but not strictly necessary) Do W&E know anything relevant about Rebecca? yesish Does George? no If so, something she did second-to-last summer? yes Something she wanted to keep a secret? no

by **biograd** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:42 pm

Were Willy and Emily trying to sell Rebecca something? offering a service? trying to get her to donate to a cause?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:24 am

Were Willy and Emily trying to sell Rebecca something? no offering a service? sort of
trying to get her to donate to a cause? no

by **GalFisk** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:03 am

Do they want an answer from her? To a question? Did the thing she did that summer involve George? Does George want something from her? A relationship with her?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:07 pm

Do they want an answer from her? To a question? no
Did the thing she did that summer involve George? very remotely
Does George want something from her? yesish
A relationship with her? no

by **GalFisk** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:21 pm

Does George want to be remembered? Admired? Does he want something from: her specifically? Her and others? A certain group? Anyone at all? Did George see her that summer? Did she see George? Does George think very highly of himself? Of her?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:38 pm

Does George want to be remembered? Yes Admired? and yes
Does he want something from: her specifically? Her and others? A certain group? this - but beware FA
Anyone at all?
Did George see her that summer? Did she see George? unlikely and irrelevant
Does George think very highly of himself? Certainly yes Of her? irrel

by **GalFisk** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:42 pm

Has George done anything specific that could make him admired? Or remembered? Is his profession relevant? Hobbies? Leisure activities? Does he want to be admired for something he's done? For who he is? For his looks? Personality? A skill? Is he involved in sports? Did he win something?
Did she travel that summer? If so, relevant where she went? Did he travel that summer? Does he live close to her?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:18 pm

Has George done anything specific that could make him admired? arguably Or remembered? yes Is his profession relevant? Hobbies? one of these, doyd Leisure activities? Does he want to be admired for something he's done? this, relevantly For who he is? For his looks? Personality? A skill? Is he involved in sports? yesish Did he win something? doyd
Did she travel that summer? probably If so, relevant where she went? mildly, no details Did he travel that summer? Does he live close to her? irrelevant

by **GalFisk** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:32 pm

Has George done something: brave? Dumb? Funny? Heroic? Over the top? Memorable? Did he do this thing on purpose? Did he compete? Did he participate in a game? TV show? Film? Other mass media? Politics?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:40 pm

Has George done something: brave? Dumb? Funny? Heroic? Over the top? Memorable?
he tried to do something heroic, but it was arguably dumb (depends on opinion, of course) Did he do this thing on purpose? yes Did he compete? Did he participate in a game? TV show? Film? Other mass media? Politics?
not relevantly

by **Hobbsicle** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:20 am

Do they want her to go somewhere? Or do something? Do they want something from her physically (like giving blood)? Something she has in the house?
Did she attend an event that summer? Align herself with a particular cause? Sign up for something? Buy something? Stay somewhere relevant?
Did George set a world record or something similar?

by **LemonCurry** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:09 am

Do they want her to go somewhere? no Or do something? yes Do they want something from her physically yes! like giving blood)? but not this Something she has in the house? no
Did she attend an event that summer? yes, no to rest herself with a particular cause? Sign up for something? Buy something? Stay somewhere relevant?
Did George set a world record or something similar? no

by **GalFisk** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:19 am

Doed he esnt her to sign something? Give money? Answer a survey? Do the nonplumbera go around visiting people who attended this same event that summer? Did George rescue someone? Stand up to someone? Fight? Risk his life? Risk injury?

by **Doriana** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:46 pm

Do they want a DNA sample from her?

by **LemonCurry** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:15 pm

GalFisk
Does he want her to sign something? actually yes, but this is not the main point money? no Answer a survey? no
Do the nonplumbera go around visiting people who attended this same event that summer? noish, maybe a few of them
Did George rescue someone? Stand up to someone? Fight? Risk his life? Risk injury? no to these

Doriana

Do they want a DNA sample from her? no, but getting closer

by **Grip** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:19 pm

Do they want a urine sample? stool sample?

by **LemonCurry** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:14 pm

Do they want a urine sample? yes! stool sample? no

by **Doriana** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:46 am

Do they want the urine sample in order to check for drugs? to check for a disease? to check for pregnancy?

by **LemonCurry** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:20 am

Do they want the urine sample in order to check for drugs? this to check for a disease? to check for pregnancy?

by **Doriana** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:09 am

Do they think that Rebecca has taken drugs? Does George think so? Has Rebecca actually taken drugs? Does she actually give them a urine sample?

Relevant which drug(s) they are checking for?

by **LemonCurry** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:06 pm

Do they think that Rebecca has taken drugs? no Does George think so? no Has Rebecca actually taken drugs? assume no
Does she actually give them a urine sample? no, she slams the door on them

Relevant which drug(s) they are checking for? Yes, in a general sense

by **Doriana** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:47 pm

Are they checking for prescription drugs? for recreational drugs? for doping?

by **LemonCurry** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:57 pm

Are they checking for prescription drugs? for recreational drugs? for doping? this

by **kalira** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:46 pm

Does she slam the door on them specifically because she thinks they are plumbers asking for a urine sample from her?

by **LemonCurry** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:59 pm

Does she slam the door on them specifically because she thinks they are plumbers asking for a urine sample from her? no

by **GalFisk** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:06 pm

Doping: current? Recent? Old? From that time second-to-last summer?

by **LemonCurry** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:02 am

Doping: current? Recent? must be one of these, as they just want urine Old? From that time second-to-last summer? no, but that summer is relevant in the context

by **GalFisk** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:10 am

Is sports relevant? A competition? Was George relevantly bested by Rebecca?

by **LemonCurry** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:32 am

Is sports relevant? yes, with an ish for those who won't agree... A competition? yes Was George relevantly bested by Rebecca? no

by **GalFisk** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:52 am

Does Rebecca perform the sport? Does Gary? Is it a team sport? Is the competition a race? A tournament?

by **Doriana** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:45 pm

Does Rebecca hold some kind of record? Does George?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:48 am

GalFisk

Does Rebecca perform the sport? yes Does Gary? George? Yope, explore Is it a team sport? no Is the competition a race? no A tournament? yes

Doriana

Does Rebecca hold some kind of record? Does George?
no to both

by **GalFisk** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:04 am

Has George performed it earlier? Has he done something equivalent to performing it? Has he organized or judged a competition? Relevant how Rebecca did in the tournament? If so, did she win? Get far? Does the sport involve ball(s)? Throwing? Vehicle(s)? Cards? Does it require: intelligence? Precision? Strength? Speed? Agility? Bravery? Precision? Pain tolerance?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:59 am

Has George performed it earlier? probably, but irrel Has he done something equivalent to performing it? no Has he organized or judged a competition? yope, otrt
Relevant how Rebecca did in the tournament? yes, she won 3rd place If so, did she win? Get far?
Does the sport involve ball(s)? Throwing? Vehicle(s)? Cards? Does it require: intelligence? Precision? Strength? Speed? Agility? Bravery? Precision? Pain tolerance? It's chess

by **Grip** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:40 am

Is George an official at the event? a chessboard/piece designer? does he write down the chess notation at events?

Just to check: Rebecca won 3rd place in a chess tournament? and George was there?

by **Doriana** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:43 am

Did George think that Rebecca had cheated?

Did Rebecca relevantly enter a chess tournament before or after the one where she won 3rd place?

Relevant how many players were in the tournament? Relevant who they were? Were they ranked considerably higher than Rebecca? considerably lower?

by **Balin** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:11 am

Did George accuse Rebecca of cheating?
Did George play in the tournament as well? If so, did he finish 1st? 2nd? 4th?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:35 am

Balin

Did George accuse Rebecca of cheating? no
Did George play in the tournament as well? no If so, did he finish 1st? 2nd? 4th? n/a

Doriana
Did George think that Rebecca had cheated? no

Did Rebecca relevantly enter a chess tournament before or after the one where she won 3rd place?
yes, it is relevant that she played in chess tournaments afterwards

Relevant how many players were in the tournament? I think there were 12 players
Relevant who they were? yesish Were they ranked considerably higher than Rebecca?
yes, insofar as Rebecca's success came as a surprise
considerably lower? no

Grip
Is George an official at the event? an official yes, but not at the tournament
a chessboard/piece designer? does he write down the chess notation at events? no to rest

Just to check: Rebecca won 3rd place in a chess tournament? yes and George was there? no

by **Doriana** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:19 am

Were the others players H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/mixed?
Were they more experienced than she was? Was this Rebecca's first tournament?
Did she relevantly do anything to qualify for the tournament?

Did Rebecca perform significantly better at subsequent tournaments? worse? the same?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:30 am

Were the others players H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/mixed? H/mostly A/F
Were they more experienced than she was? irrel Was this Rebecca's first tournament? no
Did she relevantly do anything to qualify for the tournament? yes

Did Rebecca perform significantly better at subsequent tournaments? worse? this the same?

by **Doriana** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:55 am

Did she qualify by winning a different tournament? by winning a game? Did she have a wild card?

Was George an official at any of the tournaments that Rebecca played in?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:09 pm

Did she qualify by winning a different tournament? by winning a game? Did she have a wild card?
Not relevant, actually. But I suppose there was some qualification tournament

Was George an official at any of the tournaments that Rebecca played in? Noish, he was not that sort of official

by **Doriana** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:15 pm

Does he work for a chess federation? a chess club?

Does anyone think she cheated in the qualification tournament?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:21 pm

Does he work for a chess federation? this a chess club?

Does anyone think she cheated in the qualification tournament? no or not relevantly

by **Doriana** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:52 pm

Does he work for the World Chess Federation? The [insert country of choice here] Chess Federation? Is he their president?

EDIT: Do W&E work for the same federation?

Has he introduced, changed or abolished a relevant rule?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:10 pm

Does he work for the World Chess Federation? yes The [insert country of choice here] Chess Federation? Is he their president? Yes!

EDIT: Do W&E work for the same federation? not exactly, but not that relevant

Has he introduced, changed or abolished a relevant rule? introduced, yes

by **Doriana** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:27 pm

Did Rebecca adhere to the rule in the relevant tournament? In subsequent tournaments?
Did she break the rule in the relevant tournament? In subsequent tournaments?

Is the rule related to doping at all?

Has George named the rule after himself?

by **Grip** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:09 pm

Was the rule George's idea?

by **LemonCurry** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:00 am

Did Rebecca adhere to the rule in the relevant tournament? In subsequent tournaments? Yesish, maybe FA
Did she break the rule in the relevant tournament? In subsequent tournaments? No, same FA

Is the rule related to doping at all? Yes

Has George named the rule after himself? No

Was the rule George's idea? Yesish

by **Balin** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:50 am

Does the rule concern Rebecca's gender? Was she playing in a women's tournament? A men's tournament?

by **LemonCurry** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:13 pm

Does the rule concern Rebecca's gender? no
Was she playing in a women's tournament? this, relevant for context A men's tournament?

by **GalFisk** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:10 pm

Doping: relevant with what substance? Stimulants relevant? Legal drugs? Illegal?

by **LemonCurry** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:04 pm

Doping: relevant with what substance? noish Stimulants relevant? Legal drugs? Illegal? all of them

by **Balin** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:06 pm

Specifically: hormones?

by **GalFisk** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:37 am

Does George want to test everyone who competed that summer? Has Rebecca competed recently? Will she compete in the near future?

by **LemonCurry** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:11 am

Balin

Specifically: hormones? No. No specific drugs are involved

Galfisk

Does George want to test everyone who competed that summer? no
Has Rebecca competed recently? yes
Will she compete in the near future? No, she will be suspended for not complying to a doping test

by **GalFisk** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:05 pm

Does she intend to compete? Is her skill relevant? Are people who competed recently all tested?

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:11 am

Does she intend to compete? irrel
Is her skill relevant? somewhat - it has declined in the time after that summer
Are people who competed recently all tested? no

by **LemonCurry** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:25 am

I think it's time for a RECAP

George is the president of the world chess federation and has imposed a new rule connected to doping, in order to be admired.

Rebecca is a chess player and has competed in an all-women's tournament some time ago and won a surprise third place.
Her Performance has declined sine then.

Willy and Emily are visiting Rebecca while she was waiting for the plumber. They are trying to collect a urine sample for a doping test, and Rebecca slams the door on them.

by **Balin** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:08 am

Did Rebecca think Willy and Emily were plumbers? Did they introduce themselves as the doping testers?
Did Rebecca's slamming the door make people (W&E? George?) think she was guilty of doping, and shut them out to avoid the test?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:23 pm

Did Rebecca think Willy and Emily were plumbers? Yes, for a few seconds...
Did they introduce themselves as the doping testers? yes

Did Rebecca's slamming the door make people (W&E? George?) think she was guilty of doping, and shut them out to avoid the test?
Yes, but I think this is common practice and was not intended to be part of the puzzle

by **Hobbsicle** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:33 am

So did he select her for the test because of her surprise third? Also because of her subsequent lesser performance?
Is the rule basically that no performance-enhancing drugs are allowed in tournaments? Is he hoping to prove that she uses drugs in order to support his new rule and prove its importance? In that it might suggest why she did so well during that particular tournament?

by **LemonCurry** » Tue May 02, 2017 7:23 am

So did he select her for the test because of her surprise third? Yes, with an ish
Also because of her subsequent lesser performance? no, the poor Performance afterwards is relevant for a different reason
Is the rule basically that no performance-enhancing drugs are allowed in tournaments? Yes, with another point
Is he hoping to prove that she uses drugs in order to support his new rule and prove its importance? no
In that it might suggest why she did so well during that particular tournament? no

by **Hobbsicle** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:01 pm

Was there anything relevantly different about the tournaments that made her do well on one and not the others? Did she do something different? Did she enhance her performance with a substance of some kind?

Is George targeting people who did well in tournaments? People who did unusually well? Is his overarching motive relevant? Is he trying to legitimize chess in some way? Trying to make it be considered a sport? Making it an Olympic sport relevant?

by **LemonCurry** » Mon May 08, 2017 9:10 am

Was there anything relevantly different about the tournaments that made her do well on one and not the others?
no
Did she do something different? No relevantly, other than playing badly in the other tournaments
Did she enhance her performance with a substance of some kind? no

Is George targeting people who did well in tournaments? Yope (and FA, he did not work out any details who would be subject to testing himself)
People who did unusually well? no
Is his overarching motive relevant? yes Is he trying to legitimize chess in some way? yope Trying to make it be considered a sport? yesish
Making it an Olympic sport relevant? THIS was his motive behind the doping test thing

by **JenBurdoo** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:51 pm

Is Rebecca's emotion when she meets the dope-testers relevant? Is she surprised? Shocked? Saddened? Angered? Exasperated?

Are her emotions directed towards the plumber? Is the plumber stereotypically late? Is Rebecca therefore also late for something? Another chess tournament?

by **LemonCurry** » Mon May 15, 2017 7:11 am

Is Rebecca's emotion when she meets the dope-testers relevant? Yes
Is she surprised? This Shocked? Saddened? Angered? And this Exasperated?

Are her emotions directed towards the plumber? probably, but not that relevant Is the plumber stereotypically late? same
Is Rebecca therefore also late for something? Another chess tournament? No to these

by **Hobbsicle** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:23 am

If you don't mind, can you remind us what it is we're needing to aim for at this point? Why she was targeted? Why she is angry?

by **LemonCurry** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:32 pm

If you don't mind, can you remind us what it is we're needing to aim for at this point? Why she was targeted? Why she is angry?

my intended solution includes one more reason why Rebecca wouldn't comply to the doping test. Since this puzzle has reached dead horse status, I wouldn't leave it open for long, though

by **Grip** » Sat May 20, 2017 3:00 pm

Is the reasoning for doing the doping tests nonsensical? offensive? and Rebecca won't comply as a protest?

by **LemonCurry** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:07 am

Is the reasoning for doing the doping tests nonsensical? yope offensive? no and Rebecca won't comply as a protest? no

by **Grip** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:10 pm

Is the doping supposedly helping the players mentally? physically? both?

Is HGH relevant?

by **LemonCurry** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:26 pm

Is the doping supposedly helping the players mentally? physically? both? irrel

Is HGH relevant? no

by **LemonCurry** » Tue May 30, 2017 7:33 am

So, as there are only minor Details open, let's put this one to rest:

SPOILER

In the early 2000's, the president of the World Chess Federation ("George"), tried to make chess an Olympic sport.
This was widely considered ridiculous and an act of personal vanity, and the only consequence was the introduction of doping tests into chess.

Possibly the first (and maybe even the only) chess player to be banned for failing a doping test was Monica G. from Austria ("Rebecca"),
who was found guilty of refusing a test under really silly circumstances:

Rebecca was only a modest player, but in the summer of 2007 she was on quite a winning streak and managed to qualify for the Austrian ladies' Championship an claim 3rd place there.
(there were not so many female master chess players in Austria at the time, and most of them would leave the ladies' Championship alone and rather compete with men). This success somehow put her on a list of top level athletes who were subject to doping tests.
In the winter of 2009, Rebecca had already forgotten about this success, was only a modest club player again, and on this day, she was desperately waiting for the plumber, as her heating was not working, and her kid was having the flu.

Then there was a ring on the door.

"Oh, thank goodness you've come so soo..."
"Good morning, we would like 75 millilitres of urine, please."
"WHAT THE $!#*?" *SLAM*

The doorbell rings again.

"Well, we were told you are a top level chess player, and so you are obliged to..."
"NO, I'm not!" *SLAM*

And so, Rebecca had refused a doping test...

Thank you for playing this puzzle. Hope you enjoyed it before it reached dead horse stage...

by **Grip** » Tue May 30, 2017 9:52 pm

I liked it!

(LemonCurry) I know what you did second-to-last summer

Search

Forums