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[LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:34 am

Robert and Anne are talking to Julia, hinting that they are not interested in a certain topic. They are very happy.
Julia responds, hinting that she does not know much about that certain topic.
Robert and Anne are very angry and frustrated.


This is much closer to a true story than I would like. Robert is me in disguise, Anne and Julia are HAF.
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:30 pm

Are Robert and Anne angry and frustrated with Julia? With themselves? With each other? EDIT: With someone else?

Did Robert and Anne assume that Julia would know much about the topic in question? If so, because of something Julia said? did? because of what she looked like?

Do Robert and Anne know each other? If so, are they in a relationship? married? friends? family? co-workers? acquaintances?
Does Julia know Robert? If so, same questions as above.
Does Julia know Anne? If so, same questions as above.
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:26 pm

Are Robert and Anne angry and frustrated with Julia? this With themselves? With each other? EDIT: With someone else?

Did Robert and Anne assume that Julia would know much about the topic in question? no or irrelevant If so, because of something Julia said? did? because of what she looked like?

Do Robert and Anne know each other? If so, are they in a relationship? this married? friends? family? co-workers? acquaintances?
Does Julia know Robert? no If so, same questions as above.
Does Julia know Anne? no If so, same questions as above.
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:19 pm

Do they talk to Julia as part of her job? If so, is Julia a salesperson?
Did Robert and Anne initiate the conversation? Did Julia?
Did Julia try to talk to them about the topic?

Is the topic something that is (mainly) relevant for people in relationships? If so, engagement? marriage? having children? moving in together?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:11 am

Do they talk to Julia as part of her job? Yes If so, is Julia a salesperson? I wouldn't call her so, but she is trying to sell something
Did Robert and Anne initiate the conversation? This Did Julia?
Did Julia try to talk to them about the topic? No

Is the topic something that is (mainly) relevant for people in relationships? The topic itself is not
If so, engagement? marriage? having children? moving in together?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:19 am

Does this happen in a store? in a restaurant? on the street?

Is the topic related to what she is trying to sell? Is she trying to sell food? other objects? services? memberships?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:26 am

Does this happen in a store? in a restaurant? this on the street?

Is the topic related to what she is trying to sell? very remotely
Is she trying to sell food? yes other objects? noish services? also this memberships? no
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:31 am

Is it a restaurant where a server comes to your table to take your order? Or one where you order at the counter?
Is Julia a hostess? a server? a cook? a cashier?
Is the topic related to the restaurant at all?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:43 am

Is it a restaurant where a server comes to your table to take your order? This, but beware FA
Or one where you order at the counter?
Is Julia a hostess? This (if you mean innkeeper - I'm still learning more English in this forum :)) a server? a cook? a cashier?
Is the topic related to the restaurant at all? actually not
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:31 am

Diets relevant? Allergies? Ingredients? Origins of food or drink? Money relevant?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:36 am

Diets relevant? well, sort of
Allergies? no
Ingredients? in a very broad sense
Origins of food or drink? same
Money relevant? yes
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:30 am

Were R&A actually planning to eat at this restaurant?

Relevant what cuisine the restaurant serves?
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Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:58 am

Were R&A actually planning to eat at this restaurant? Yes (but past tense is very relevant here...)

Relevant what cuisine the restaurant serves?
The puzzle works best with traditional regional or national cuisine, which is what the restaurant serves
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:25 am

Were they planning to eat there before they talked to Julia?

Vegetarian or vegan options relevant?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:37 am

Were they planning to eat there before they talked to Julia? Yes

Vegetarian or vegan options relevant? vegetarian food is involved, but not strictly relevant for the puzzle
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Grip » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:17 pm

Is Julia the owner of the inn?

Had the couple ever been to the inn before?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:15 pm

Is Julia the owner of the inn? yes

Had the couple ever been to the inn before?
yes (but not that relevant)
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:10 am

Do they talk to Julia in person? on the phone? via e-mail?
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Postby LemonCurry » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:04 pm

Do they talk to Julia in person? this on the phone? via e-mail? and yopishly this
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Postby Doriana » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:50 pm

Had they received some kind of advertisement via e-mail prior to talking to Julia? Coupons relevant? Promotions?
Had they filled in an online form? to book a table? to inquire about the restaurant or the menu?
Had they ordered food online?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:58 pm

Had they received some kind of advertisement via e-mail prior to talking to Julia? not this, but...
Coupons relevant? Promotions?
Had they filled in an online form? to book a table? to inquire about the restaurant or the menu?
Had they ordered food online? no to rest
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:30 pm

Had they received any relevant e-mail at all? If so, from the restaurant? From Julia herself? From someone else?
Had they sent an e-mail to the restaurant prior to talking to Julia?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:40 pm

Had they received any relevant e-mail at all?
yes If so, from the restaurant? yes From Julia herself? yes From someone else? no
Had they sent an e-mail to the restaurant prior to talking to Julia? no
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:21 pm

Was the e-mail sent to them specifically? Or was it a mass e-mail? If so, had they signed up for a newsletter or mailing list?

Do they talk to Julia about the topic of the e-mail?
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:51 am

Was the e-mail sent to them specifically? yes Or was it a mass e-mail? no If so, had they signed up for a newsletter or mailing list? no

Do they talk to Julia about the topic of the e-mail?
not in this puzzle, and FA
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:15 am

Did Julia write the email? Does the email indicate that Julia knows more about the topic than she does? Is the email an invitation? Do they know Julia before she emails them? Is she a friend of theirs?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:35 am

Did Julia write the email? yes Does the email indicate that Julia knows more about the topic than she does? no Is the email an invitation? yope, doyd Do they know Julia before she emails them? yope Is she a friend of theirs? no
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Postby Doriana » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:49 pm

Relevant how she got their e-mail address?

Had she intended to send the e-mail to someone else, but sent it to R&A by mistake?
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Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:41 am

Relevant how she got their e-mail address?
She got it from Robert and Anne

Had she intended to send the e-mail to someone else, but sent it to R&A by mistake? no
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:50 am

Dif they win something?
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Postby LemonCurry » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:00 pm

Dif they win something? no
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Postby Grip » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:43 am

Did R and A feel cheated in some way? scammed?
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Postby Doriana » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:41 am

Was the e-mail about the restaurant at all?

When R&A gave her their e-mail address, did they know that Julia was running a restaurant?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:22 am

Grip

Did R and A feel cheated in some way? yes
Scammed? yes, with an ish

Doriana
Was the e-mail about the restaurant at all? yes

When R&A gave her their e-mail address, did they know that Julia was running a restaurant?
yes, and I think there is an FA
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:20 am

Do they receive the e-mail after their conversation with Julia?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:28 am

Do they receive the e-mail after their conversation with Julia? Yes!
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Postby Doriana » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:56 am

Does "Julia responds" in the puzzle statement refer to the e-mail she sends them?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:09 pm

Does "Julia responds" in the puzzle statement refer to the e-mail she sends them? yes!
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:19 pm

Ok, so let me see if I have the correct timeline.

1. R&A go to a restaurant where they want to eat.
Relevant why they chose this restaurant?
2. They talk to Julia and hint that they are not interested in a certain topic.
3. They give Julia their e-mail address.
4. Julia sends them an e-mail, hinting that she does not know much about the topic.
Had she promised them that she would do research on the topic?
5. R&A are angry and frustrated with Julia.
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:37 pm

Ok, so let me see if I have the correct timeline.

1. R&A go to a restaurant where they want to eat. Yes
Relevant why they chose this restaurant? Not really
2. They talk to Julia and hint that they are not interested in a certain topic. yes
3. They give Julia their e-mail address. yes
4. Julia sends them an e-mail, hinting that she does not know much about the topic. yes
Had she promised them that she would do research on the topic? no
5. R&A are angry and frustrated with Julia. yes
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Doriana » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:51 pm

Are they angry and frustrated because she brought up the topic at all?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:11 pm

Are they angry and frustrated because she brought up the topic at all? no
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:54 am

I assume it's relevant why they are very happy, yes? Is it because of their relationship? Is it a new relationship? Are they engaged? Are they happy because of what they are discussing with the innkeeper?

Is their initial conversation with the innkeeper just a friendly conversation? Business-related? Are they trying to hire her for something? Or hire the restaurant? For something wedding-related?
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:02 am

Are they sincere in their disinterest of this topic? Do they ever change their interest level?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:21 pm

Hobbsicle

I assume it's relevant why they are very happy, yes? yes Is it because of their relationship? yes Is it a new relationship? no
Are they engaged? yes! Are they happy because of what they are discussing with the innkeeper? yes

Is their initial conversation with the innkeeper just a friendly conversation? Business-related? this Are they trying to hire her for something? Or hire the restaurant? and this For something wedding-related? yes!

GalFisk

Are they sincere in their disinterest of this topic? Do they ever change their interest level? irrel
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:34 pm

Are they emailed with an offer of some sort? That they received too late to use? (ie, booking a party before they receive an automatic coupon for half-off?)
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue May 02, 2017 7:28 am

Are they emailed with an offer of some sort? yes!
That they received too late to use? no
(ie, booking a party before they receive an automatic coupon for half-off?)
where do you get an half-off coupon for your wedding party? I would greatly appreciate something like that? ;)
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Postby android18 » Thu May 04, 2017 8:18 pm

Are they happy because they're getting married? Is the topic they're not interested in to do with offers? Is the topic Julia doesn't know about to do with wedding planning? Marriage in general?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Fri May 05, 2017 12:41 pm

Are they happy because they're getting married? certainly, but there is another point
Is the topic they're not interested in to do with offers? only remotely
Is the topic Julia doesn't know about to do with wedding planning? with one aspect of it, yes
Marriage in general? same

HINT: It is only hinted at that Julia does not know much about that certain Topic, and it is not to be taken too seriously
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Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 08, 2017 6:31 pm

Are they looking to hire the restaurant to cater the wedding? Or using the restaurant for rehearsal dinner? For reception?

Is the topic related to the wedding-related business they are trying to conduct with the restaurant? Is Julia's email related to that same business?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue May 09, 2017 6:42 am

Are they looking to hire the restaurant to cater the wedding? Or using the restaurant for rehearsal dinner? For reception? This

Is the topic related to the wedding-related business they are trying to conduct with the restaurant?
Not to the wedding reception, but to the wedding in general
Is Julia's email related to that same business? Yes (to the wedding reception, that is)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun May 14, 2017 6:07 pm

Anything to do with gay marriage?

Do they think they are eligible for an offer for which they are in fact ineligible? Were they under the impression that Julia was familiar with a relevant element of a wedding, when she was not? Was there any unnoticed sarcasm or humor in their conversation (perhaps one side took the other seriously when the latter was joking, or vice versa)?
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon May 15, 2017 7:14 am

Anything to do with gay marriage? no

Do they think they are eligible for an offer for which they are in fact ineligible? Yope
Were they under the impression that Julia was familiar with a relevant element of a wedding, when she was not? Not relevantly
Was there any unnoticed sarcasm or humor in their conversation (perhaps one side took the other seriously when the latter was joking, or vice versa)? no
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 22, 2017 3:31 pm

After the email, are they angry because: they received an email at all? They received an email about the reception? Because of when they received it? Because the price is too high? Because the services aren't what they were looking for? Because it shows that they weren't listened to? Because it was otherwise offensive in some way?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Mon May 22, 2017 7:28 pm

After the email, are they angry because: they received an email at all? They received an email about the reception? Because of when they received it? Because the price is too high? this-ish Because the services aren't what they were looking for? and this Because it shows that they weren't listened to? Because it was otherwise offensive in some way?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 23, 2017 12:38 pm

WAG: is a different price quoted for services at a wedding, than the exact same services at some other kind of celebration?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue May 23, 2017 6:21 pm

WAG: is a different price quoted for services at a wedding, than the exact same services at some other kind of celebration? this might well be the case, but I regret it's not relevant for this puzzle
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Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:52 am

Does she offer more than what was asked for? Is the topic they weren't interested in related to the fact that they don't have much money? And they are mad because she clearly didn't pick up on that hint? Does she offer more than just a reception? Or does she offer a particularly expensive reception package?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:47 am

Does she offer more than what was asked for? certainly not
Is the topic they weren't interested in related to the fact that they don't have much money?
Well, who doesn't think they have not much money when it comes to planning a wedding? But no
And they are mad because she clearly didn't pick up on that hint? no
Does she offer more than just a reception? not relevantly Or does she offer a particularly expensive reception package? not relevantly

HINT: The relevant bit is the offered dinner. The particular dinner that was offered in the E-Mail was very poor compared to what was informally offered in the discussion beforehand
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:18 pm

Number of dinner guests relevant? Is the e-mail dinner poor in: taste? Amount of food? Type(s) of food? Price? Timing? Seating? Nutrition? Quality?
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:15 am

Number of dinner guests relevant? no
Is the e-mail dinner poor in: taste? Amount of food? This is most relevant
Type(s) of food? also this. The particular food is not relevant, though.
Price? Timing? Seating? Nutrition? Quality? no/irrel to rest.
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Postby hominid » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:41 am

Did Julia understand that they were engaged? Were Robert and Anne expecting the email? Were they looking forward to it?
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:47 am

Did Julia understand that they were engaged? yes
Were Robert and Anne expecting the email? yes Were they looking forward to it? yes
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:39 pm

Did she essentially change the offer? Or did R&A make an assumption about what they would be offered based on the conversation?

Did she offer smaller quantities of food? More hors douevres than actual meal?
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Postby LemonCurry » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:02 am

Did she essentially change the offer? More of this one than the latter, not strrictly relevant Or did R&A make an assumption about what they would be offered based on the conversation?

Did she offer smaller quantities of food? Yesish More hors douevres than actual meal? No

No more details about the offer are relevant, other than Robert and Anne had reason to expect more than what was offered for the money
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Re: [LemonCurry] A variety of ignorance

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:01 pm

The "certain topic":

Is it related to the type of wedding? The style? The location? Something to do with the kinds of people who will attend? A particular tradition? Decor? Anything related to: race? Gender? Nationality? Religion? Age?
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Postby LemonCurry » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:34 am

just returning and found a puzzle of mine still open...I should finish it off before it disappears

The "certain topic":

Is it related to the type of wedding? The style? The location? Something to do with the kinds of people who will attend? A particular tradition? Decor? Anything related to: race? Gender? Nationality? Religion? Age?

the topic is not only "related to", it actually is "religion". Time to put this to bed anyway

SPOILER

Robert and Anne are planning their wedding and talking to Julia the restaurant owner about the reception dinner. The initial offer sounds very appealing, and they are having some small talk about some details of the wedding.

A few days later, Robert and Anne get an email with a concrete menu of "seasonal food" offer, which does not have much to do with what was initially talked about, including "a variety of starters" getting turned into "a bowl of green salad".

Cue Robert's comment:
"Just because we are not having a church wedding she can't try and make us think Lent is in October!"

Of course, they were opting for a different Restaurant.

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