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[IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:59 pm

Donna was intentionally un-creative, and it worked perfectly.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby Balin » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:38 am

Donna: H/A/F?
Is Donna breaking the law? Is she doing something unsavory?
"worked perfectly" = brought out a successful result? Functioned as intended? Benefited Donna? Benefited someone else?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby Westing1992 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:51 pm

Un-creative: plagiarism? doing the obvious? NOT thinking laterally?
Was she entering a contest? Playing a game? Did she create artwork? Literature? A joke or slogan?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:00 pm

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Donna: H/A/F? Yes.
Is Donna breaking the law? No. Is she doing something unsavory? No.
"worked perfectly" = brought out a successful result? Functioned as intended? Both. Benefited Donna? Slightly. Benefited someone else? No.


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Un-creative: plagiarism? No. doing the obvious? Yes. NOT thinking laterally? No, I would say it was a lateral solution.
Was she entering a contest? Playing a game? Did she create artwork? Literature? A joke or slogan? No to all.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:01 am

Is she trying to do a task? Is there a problem she is solving? Is it related to her job? Something at her home? Does this happen in modern day? Is there anyone else relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:08 am

Does Donna work in a creative industry? Position? Is she parodying something?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:20 am

Hobbsicle

Is she trying to do a task? Yope. Is there a problem she is solving? In a way, yes. Is it related to her job? No. Something at her home? Yes. Does this happen in modern day? Yes, but could be any time. Is there anyone else relevant? Yes.


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Does Donna work in a creative industry? Position? Irr. Is she parodying something? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:22 am

Is she trying to mislead someone? Does the other person live with her? Is an object relevant? Is she relevantly known to be creative? Is someone trying to outsmart her? Is she playing a game? Chess relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:10 am

GalFisk

Is she trying to mislead someone? No. Does the other person live with her? Yes. Is an object relevant? No, but some thing is relevant... Is she relevantly known to be creative? Donna? No. Is someone trying to outsmart her? Noish. Is she playing a game? Chess relevant? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby Grip » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:30 am

Is the other person related to Donna? a baby?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:32 pm

Does Donna like or dislike the other person? Is she trying to change that person's behavior? Is that person H/A/M? Does Donna use actions? or items? to accomplish her task? Does she ignore the person? Speak to them? Would Donna's intent be obvious to an outside observer?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:36 pm

Grip

Is the other person related to Donna? Yes. a baby? No.



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Does Donna like or dislike the other person? Like. Is she trying to change that person's behavior? Yes. Is that person H/A/M? Yes/No/No. Does Donna use actions? Yesish. or items? Noish. to accomplish her task? Does she ignore the person? No. Speak to them? At certain points, yes. Would Donna's intent be obvious to an outside observer? Not if they only saw the non-creativity.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:38 am

So the other person is Donna's daughter? Is she trying to teach the daughter to learn to talk? To teach something else? To get her to eat? To get her to do chores?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:36 pm

Hobbsicle

So the other person is Donna's daughter? Yes. Is she trying to teach the daughter to learn to talk? No. To teach something else? Yesish. To get her to eat? No. To get her to do chores? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Fri May 05, 2017 1:01 pm

Did she trick the daughter? Did the daughter expect her to be creative? Is a game relevant? Age of daughter relevant? If so: less than 1? 1-2? 3-4? 5-7? 8-11? 12-15?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Sat May 06, 2017 11:59 am

GalFisk

Did she trick the daughter? Sortof--I would say "outsmarted." Did the daughter expect her to be creative? Quite possibly. Is a game relevant? No. Age of daughter relevant? No, but... If so: less than 1? 1-2? 3-4? 5-7? 8-11? 12-15? Older than 8 is more likely.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 08, 2017 7:24 pm

Was she asked to tell a made up story? Or a joke? And she instead told one she'd heard before?

"Worked perfectly": fooled the child? Entertained her? Instructed her?
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Postby irishelk » Tue May 09, 2017 10:50 am

Hobbsicle

Was she asked to tell a made up story? Or a joke? And she instead told one she'd heard before? No to all.

"Worked perfectly": fooled the child? No. Entertained her? No. Instructed her? Not exactly.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 12, 2017 7:28 am

Creative: inventive? Artistic? Original? Non-repetitive?
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Postby irishelk » Sat May 13, 2017 5:21 pm

GalFisk

Creative: inventive? Yes. Artistic? Not really. Original? Yes. Non-repetitive? Not exactly, but she is in a way being repetitive.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 15, 2017 3:24 pm

Did her actions involve speaking? Writing? Communicating with the daughter?

Is food relevant? School? Household chores? Sleep? Play? Animals? Illness?
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Postby irishelk » Tue May 16, 2017 12:42 am

Hobbsicle

Did her actions involve speaking? It would involve this at some point. Writing? Not necessarily. Communicating with the daughter? Yes.

Is food relevant? School? Household chores? Indirectly. Sleep? Play? Animals? Yes! Illness? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 16, 2017 3:49 pm

Animals: pets? Farm? Wild? Food? All animals? A species? One animal? Mammal? Fish? Predator? Alive during the puzzle?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Thu May 18, 2017 11:17 pm

GalFisk

Animals: pets? Yes. Farm? Wild? Food? No to rest.
All animals? A species? One animal? Multiple animals are involved, but one is especially relevant.
Mammal? No. Fish? Yes. Predator? No. The specific species isn't super-relevant...but I bet you can figure it out, clever puzzlers that you are.
Alive during the puzzle? Yes.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Fri May 26, 2017 2:31 pm

Is she trying to correct a behavior in the daughter? And "works perfectly" involves a successful correction? Is feeding the fish relevant? Getting her to identify a particular fish? Cleaning the fish tank? Is a particular fish relevantly aggressive against other fish? Dead fish relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Fri May 26, 2017 2:42 pm

Hobbsicle

Is she trying to correct a behavior in the daughter? Yes. And "works perfectly" involves a successful correction? Yes, well put.
Is feeding the fish relevant? Getting her to identify a particular fish? Cleaning the fish tank? Is a particular fish relevantly aggressive against other fish? Dead fish relevant? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:54 pm

******************RECAP

Donna is attempting to change a behavior in her daughter, and being uncreative--in the sense of being unoriginal and doing the obvious--works perfectly. She outsmarts her daughter.
Multiple pets are involved, but one pet, a fish, is particularly relevant. The daughter's behavior is not directly related to chores like feeding or cleaning the pets. Neither of them do anything illegal or unsavory.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:48 pm

Is the behavior related to interacting with the pets? Is being disobedient on part of the child relevant? Being sneaky? Does the daughter try to outsmart her mother?
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Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:18 pm

GalFisk

Is the behavior related to interacting with the pets? Yesish, "doing something" with them at least. Is being disobedient on part of the child relevant? Being sneaky? Does the daughter try to outsmart her mother? No to rest.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:37 pm

Doing something: training? Cleaning up after? Keeping out of trouble? Keeping from being eaten by another animal? Caring for? Caring about? Did Donna pretend that something happened to the fish?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:00 pm

GalFisk

Doing something: training? Cleaning up after? Keeping out of trouble? Keeping from being eaten by another animal? Caring for? No to all. Caring about? In a sense, but a more concrete action...
Did Donna pretend that something happened to the fish? No.
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Postby hominid » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:32 am

Did the girl draw the fish? Write about it? Harm it? Attempt to harm it? Talk about it? Sing about it? Does the fish actually belong to them? Does it live in a tank? With other fish? Other animals? Fish's sex/age relevant?

Can we call the girl Julia? Can we call the fish Pat?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:56 pm

hominid

Did the girl draw the fish? Write about it? Harm it? Attempt to harm it? Talk about it? Sing about it? No to all.
Does the fish actually belong to them? Yesish, explore. Does it live in a tank? With other fish? Other animals? Probably, irr.
Fish's sex/age relevant? No.

Can we call the girl Julia? Can we call the fish Pat? Certainly, but...don't let that mislead you... ;)
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Postby hominid » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:11 pm

Do they acquire the fish over the course of the puzzle? Do they sell it? Is anyone else relevant? Julia's father? Siblings? Is Pat shared between them and someone else. Is Pat only Donna's? Only Julia's?
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Postby irishelk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:56 am

hominid

Do they acquire the fish over the course of the puzzle? Yes! Do they sell it? Is anyone else relevant? Julia's father? Siblings? Is Pat shared between them and someone else. No to all.

Is Pat only Donna's? Only Julia's? Assume largely Julia's.
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Postby hominid » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:58 pm

Did they acquire the fish at a pet store? Another store? Someone's house?

Did Donna make the decision to acquire a fish? Did Julia?
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Postby irishelk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:34 pm

hominid

Did they acquire the fish at a pet store? Another store? Someone's house? Irrel, but probably not purchased.

Did Donna make the decision to acquire a fish? No. Did Julia? Yes.
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Postby hominid » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:45 am

Did Julia decide that she wanted: a pet? A fish? A specific type of fish? Pat in particular? Relevant why she wanted this? Did she ask her mother to buy her one/obtain one somehow? Did Donna immediately agree? Was the fish given to Julia as a reward? Did Donna's un-creativity come before they got the fish? After? Was the transaction itself the "un-creative" thing? Did Donna pick out the type of fish? The specific fish? Was Donna trying to encourage Julia to be creative? To be un-creative?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:08 pm

hominid

Did Julia decide that she wanted: a pet? A fish? A specific type of fish? Pat in particular? Yes to all. Relevant why she wanted this? Noish. Did she ask her mother to buy her one/obtain one somehow? No. Did Donna immediately agree? No. Was the fish given to Julia as a reward? No. Did Donna's un-creativity come before they got the fish? After? This.
Was the transaction itself the "un-creative" thing? No. Did Donna pick out the type of fish? No. The specific fish? No. Was Donna trying to encourage Julia to be creative? To be un-creative? Neither.
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:11 pm

(Apologies in advance, I keep mixing up which is Donna and Julia.)

The daughter acquired the fish without consulting the mother? Against the (perceived? explicit?) wishes of the mother? The mother did not prefer the daughter to acquire the fish? The mother was ok with it as long as the daughter learnt responsibility?

The daughter expected the mother to get creative in dissuading her acquiring of the fish? Preventing her acquiring or bringing home of the fish? Discarding the fish?

The successful result of the mother's uncreativity was that the daughter took responsibility in caring for the fish (and pets)? That the daughter discarded the fish?
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Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:19 pm

SurfingPikachu

(Apologies in advance, I keep mixing up which is Donna and Julia.) Me too.

The daughter acquired the fish without consulting the mother? Yes. Against the (perceived? explicit?) wishes of the mother? Yes, implicit at least. The mother did not prefer the daughter to acquire the fish? Yes. The mother was ok with it as long as the daughter learnt responsibility? No.

The daughter expected the mother to get creative in dissuading her acquiring of the fish? Preventing her acquiring or bringing home of the fish? Discarding the fish? No to all.

The successful result of the mother's uncreativity was that the daughter took responsibility in caring for the fish (and pets)? Noish. That the daughter discarded the fish? No.
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Postby hominid » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:05 pm

Did Donna kill the fish? Did Donna give away the fish? Did Donna find out about the fish after Julia had bought it? Did Donna buy other animals? Animals that ate fish?
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:33 pm

Did the daughter get to keep the fish? Relevant what the daughter said or did when Donna found out about the fish? Did the daughter do anything to conceal the presence of the fish? Did Donna do anything to reveal the daughter's actions to others?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:25 pm

hominid

Did Donna kill the fish? No. Did Donna give away the fish? No. Did Donna find out about the fish after Julia had bought it? Yes. Did Donna buy other animals? No. Animals that ate fish?


GalFisk

Did the daughter get to keep the fish? Yes. Relevant what the daughter said or did when Donna found out about the fish? Only slightly, but Donna's reaction is central. Did the daughter do anything to conceal the presence of the fish? No. Did Donna do anything to reveal the daughter's actions to others? No.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:51 am

Is she hoping to convince her not to acquire other animals without her permission? Make her regret her action of buying the fish? Does Donna tell her a lie/exaggeration of some kind?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:47 pm

Hobbsicle

Is she hoping to convince her not to acquire other animals without her permission? Yes indeed. Make her regret her action of buying the fish? Yes, at least a bit. Does Donna tell her a lie/exaggeration of some kind? No.
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:38 pm

Did the mother simply do nothing at all? Did she ignore the fish? Refuse to help care for the fish? Did the daughter find caring for the fish burdensome? Did the fish relevantly die or attack other pets?
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Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:01 pm

SurfingPikachu

Did the mother simply do nothing at all? No. Did she ignore the fish? Refuse to help care for the fish? Did the daughter find caring for the fish burdensome? Did the fish relevantly die or attack other pets? No to rest.
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:19 pm

Did the mother simply tell the daughter not to do it again without her permission? Scold, ground, or punish the daughter?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:32 am

SurfingPikachu

Did the mother simply tell the daughter not to do it again without her permission? No. Scold, ground, or punish the daughter? No (maybe "noish" to punish).
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:14 pm

Did the mother remove the daughter's future means of acquiring more fish or pets? e.g. withholding pocket money or confiscating fishing rods? (How does an 8yo girl even "acquire" a "particular fish" without purchasing it?!)

Or did the mother just remove the daughter's future will to do so?

Is anybody else relevantly involved?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:13 pm

SurfingPikachu

Did the mother remove the daughter's future means of acquiring more fish or pets? No. e.g. withholding pocket money or confiscating fishing rods? (How does an 8yo girl even "acquire" a "particular fish" without purchasing it?!) Haha!
Because it's completely irrelevant to the $olution and it's a true story, I'll tell you: she volunteers at aquariums and animal rescue centers. I believe the actual girl was 12 or 13.


Or did the mother just remove the daughter's future will to do so? YES.

Is anybody else relevantly involved? No.
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Postby hominid » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:03 am

Did Donna tell Julia some fact about fish? About biology? Did she show Julia something?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby kalira » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:33 pm

You said don't let the names assigned to the girl and fish mislead us. Is there something about the fish's name that is relevant? The act of choosing a name for the fish? Are animated films at all relevant? The Finding Nemo series?

Pikachu, I think you're underestimating the magical voodoo powers of a young girl who decides she wants a pet :D
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Postby irishelk » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:12 pm

hominid

Did Donna tell Julia some fact about fish? About biology? Did she show Julia something? No to all.


kalira

You said don't let the names assigned to the girl and fish mislead us. Is there something about the fish's name that is relevant? YES, well done. The act of choosing a name for the fish? Yes. Are animated films at all relevant? No. The Finding Nemo series?

Pikachu, I think you're underestimating the magical voodoo powers of a young girl who decides she wants a pet ^^ So true.
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Postby hominid » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:49 pm

Did Donna name the fish? Did Julia? Did Donna give the fish an "un-creative" name? Was it named "Fish"?
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda

Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:27 pm

hominid

Did Donna name the fish? Yes. Did Julia? Did Donna give the fish an "un-creative" name? Yes! Was it named "Fish"? Very close.


************************************SPOILER

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Soul of an Octopus. A very non-conforming and warm-hearted young girl brings home every poor unfortunate animal she comes across and makes it her pet. Her mother 'Donna' doesn't want to kill this charitable spirit, but their house is becoming a zoo. She makes the new rule that Julia may continue to bring home whatever animals she wants, but Donna gets to name them.

The next animal Julia adopts happens to be a flounder, and her mother promptly names it "Floundie." Julia's unique and artistic soul, unable to deal with such an un-creative name, declines to bring home any more new pets.
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Re: [IrishElk] Sharktopus Vs. Pteracuda {SOLVED}

Postby hominid » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:34 am

Haha, great puzzle!
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