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[Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:02 pm

For one week only, a TV show made a concealed reference to a famous literary character. What was the reference, and why for only one week?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby WiZ » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:34 pm

Was the TV show fiction? Non-fiction? Was it news/current affairs/panel style?

Did this week coincide with a holiday? An important event, recurrent or otherwise?

Had the producers always intended to do this for one week? Would the reference have gone on for longer but for circumstances changing?

If the show was fiction, did this timeframe coincide with the script/plot/subplots?

Did something mirror the circumstances for the literary character? Did something relevantly happen to the character for/over a week? Was it Solomon Grundy?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:30 am

Was the TV show fiction? Yes Non-fiction? No Was it news/current affairs/panel style? No

Did this week coincide with a holiday? No/Irrel An important event, recurrent or otherwise? No

Had the producers always intended to do this for one week? No Would the reference have gone on for longer but for circumstances changing? Yes, somewhat svv of "circumstances"

If the show was fiction, did this timeframe coincide with the script/plot/subplots? Can you clarify this question?

Did something mirror the circumstances for the literary character? No Did something relevantly happen to the character for/over a week? No Was it Solomon Grundy? No, good idea though
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Westing1992 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:20 pm

Was there more than one episode for the week?
Was the show South Park? Saturday Night Live? Another show that's written in under a week to keep things current?
Was the show canceled after that week? Did something happen outside the show concerning the character that made the writers change their plans?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Grip » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:34 pm

Is the literary character Sherlock Holmes?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:10 pm

Is a contest relevant? Is it considered an Easter egg? A clue to something?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:29 pm

Was there more than one episode for the week? Yes, somewhat relevant
Was the show South Park? Saturday Night Live? Another show that's written in under a week to keep things current? No to all
Was the show canceled after that week? No Did something happen outside the show concerning the character that made the writers change their plans? Yes? Depends on what you mean by "outside the show"
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Thu May 04, 2017 11:07 pm

HINT: The one week was the week of the pilot episode.
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Westing1992 » Fri May 05, 2017 8:42 pm

[You missed Grip and Galfisk]

Was the show meant to be an adaptation of the literary work, but got changed?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Sat May 06, 2017 1:45 am

(You missed Grip and Galfisk) Apologies! I've answered them now.

Is the literary character Sherlock Holmes? No, but OTRT!

Is a contest relevant? Is it considered an Easter egg? A clue to something? No to all

Was the show meant to be an adaptation of the literary work, but got changed? No, but not completely off the mark
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue May 09, 2017 1:46 am

Was there only one pilot episode, or was it a two-parter? A five-parter? A syndicated series? Animated? Genre relevant?

Was the reference concealed in that only cast and/or crew were aware of it? Or would it be noticeable to a knowledgeable viewer? Is it an allusion to a different role one of the actors played?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Wed May 10, 2017 1:18 am

Was there only one pilot episode, or was it a two-parter? It was a two-parter, but Irrel. Though it might help you identify the show A five-parter? A syndicated series? I'm not sure what makes a series "syndicated," honestly Animated? No Genre relevant? Yes. Comedy/drama/mystery

Was the reference concealed in that only cast and/or crew were aware of it? No Or would it be noticeable to a knowledgeable viewer? Yes Is it an allusion to a different role one of the actors played? No
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed May 10, 2017 2:08 am

I was thinking in the sense that a lot of children's cartoons, especially the Disney Afternoon types, used to start with a five-part tv movie to introduce the characters and theme. Syndication meant that they were offered to individual channels who could then show episodes in any order -- except those first five.

Is the character from historical fiction? Fantasy? The classical era (Greek Gods, Nero, etc)? Science fiction? A specific named author (Shakespeare etc) or a folk character? Robin Hood? A trickster character? A hero? A villain? An animal or monster?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Wed May 10, 2017 1:00 pm

I was thinking in the sense that a lot of children's cartoons, especially the Disney Afternoon types, used to start with a five-part tv movie to introduce the characters and theme. Syndication meant that they were offered to individual channels who could then show episodes in any order -- except those first five. Thanks for the explanation. The answer is thus No.

Is the character from historical fiction? Fantasy? The classical era (Greek Gods, Nero, etc)? Science fiction? A specific named author (Shakespeare etc) This, but not Shakespeare or a folk character? Robin Hood? A trickster character? A hero? Not the hero, but a good character A villain? An animal or monster?
(All unanswered are No
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Westing1992 » Wed May 10, 2017 1:40 pm

So was the character referenced a detective? Did the creators believe this character was public domain, but later found out they weren't (the writers of Star Trek: TNG found this out

Was the show retooled between the pilot and the rest of series? Were the writers replaced? An actor?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Wed May 10, 2017 11:19 pm

So was the character referenced a detective? Yes Did the creators believe this character was public domain, but later found out they weren't (the writers of Star Trek: TNG found this out ) Irrel

Was the show retooled between the pilot and the rest of series? Were the writers replaced? An actor? No to all
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Grip » Thu May 11, 2017 3:30 pm

Was the detective Charlie Chan? Joe Friday? Boston Blackie? Poirot? Bulldog Drummond? Miss Marple?

Was there a legal reason behind why they stopped making the references? did the references refer to the character as fictional? or was he or she referred to as if they were real?

Did the character ever make any sort of physical appearance?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Fri May 12, 2017 10:33 am

Was the detective Charlie Chan? Joe Friday? Boston Blackie? Poirot? Bulldog Drummond? Miss Marple? None of these

Was there a legal reason behind why they stopped making the references? No did the references refer to the character as fictional? This, but Irrel or was he or she referred to as if they were real?

Did the character ever make any sort of physical appearance? On the show? No. In the character's own medium? Yes.
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri May 12, 2017 3:23 pm

Dr. Watson? Irene Adler? Inspector Lestrade? (If Holmes is truly OTRT)
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Sun May 14, 2017 12:25 am

Dr. Watson? Irene Adler? Inspector Lestrade? This (If Holmes is truly OTRT)
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Grip » Sun May 14, 2017 1:34 pm

Was a character on the show compared to Lestrade?

Is the show Sherlock?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Sun May 14, 2017 9:00 pm

Was a character on the show compared to Lestrade? No

Is the show Sherlock? No
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Acridian9 » Sun May 14, 2017 10:26 pm

Elementary? Monk?

Edit: is the name "Lestrade" ever mentioned in the pilot?
Last edited by Acridian9 on Tue May 16, 2017 12:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon May 15, 2017 12:24 am

Is a bumbling, officious inspector-type present or referred to during the pilot? ("You're as bad as Inspector Lestrade!")
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Grip » Mon May 15, 2017 4:32 pm

Does a character have a name similar to Lestrade or the name Lestrade?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Tue May 16, 2017 1:11 pm

Elementary? Monk? This

is the name "Lestrade" ever mentioned in the pilot? Not that I recall; also Irrel

Is a bumbling, officious inspector-type present or referred to during the pilot? ("You're as bad as Inspector Lestrade!") No

Does a character have a name similar to Lestrade or the name Lestrade? No, but very OTRT!!
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Acridian9 » Tue May 16, 2017 2:49 pm

Names of characters relevant? surnames? nicknames? If yes, Monk's name? his nurse's name? the name of one of the policemen he works for? the name of a character that appeared in the pilot only, like the victim or the killer?

Relevant that the nurse changes later in the series?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Fri May 19, 2017 10:44 am

Names of characters relevant? Yes surnames? Yes nicknames? No
If yes, Monk's name? No his nurse's name? No the name of one of the policemen he works for? Yes the name of a character that appeared in the pilot only, like the victim or the killer? No

Relevant that the nurse changes later in the series? No
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Acridian9 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:10 pm

Of course, I don't remember the names of those characters....I'll go with questions.

You said yes both to names _and_ surnames: do you confirm that both are relevant?
Does the name and/or surname of a policeman contain the reference to Lestrade? What if you join the name and the surname in a single word: is the reference evident now?
Is the reference to the word "Lestrade"? or to something that points to Lestrade?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Sat May 20, 2017 12:37 am

Of course, I don't remember the names of those characters....I'll go with questions. You can go ahead and look up the character names. I don't think Wikipedia will spoil the puzzle. (I read this on TV Tropes, which WILL spoil the puzzle, so don't do that.)

You said yes both to names _and_ surnames: do you confirm that both are relevant? Yes
Does the name and/or surname of a policeman contain the reference to Lestrade? Yes, but more than one policeman What if you join the name and the surname in a single word: is the reference evident now? Not nearly as evident
Is the reference to the word "Lestrade"? This or to something that points to Lestrade?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Acridian9 » Sat May 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Balin wrote:You can go ahead and look up the character names. I don't think Wikipedia will spoil the puzzle. (I read this on TV Tropes, which WILL spoil the puzzle, so don't do that.)

There's no fun in looking up things! I'll go the hard way.... unless I run out of ideas.

More than one policeman: two? three? all?
The rank of those policemen relevat?
Does any of the relevant policemen have a middle name?

Relevant that in Italian "Lestrade" means "The roads"? Something similar with another languadge?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Sun May 21, 2017 12:50 pm

More than one policeman: two? This three? all?
The rank of those policemen relevant? No
Does any of the relevant policemen have a middle name? Not relevantly

Relevant that in Italian "Lestrade" means "The roads"? No Something similar with another language? No
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Grip » Sun May 21, 2017 4:11 pm

Is there some kind of wordplay with the two detectives names going on here? is one named Les and the other Strade?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Sun May 21, 2017 5:51 pm

Is there some kind of wordplay with the two detectives names going on here? Yes is one named Les and the other Strade? No, but not a bad idea.
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Acridian9 » Sun May 21, 2017 6:55 pm

So, we have a wordplay with two names and two surnames....do they contain the letters that form the word "lestrade"?
Subdivision of the word "lestrade" in 4 parts ("le" "st" "ra" "de") relevant? do the names/surnames contain the 4 parts? another subdivision relevant? like, taking the first and last letter of each name and surname?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Mon May 22, 2017 10:21 am

So, we have a wordplay with two names and two surnames....do they contain the letters that form the word "lestrade"? Yes
Subdivision of the word "lestrade" in 4 parts ("le" "st" "ra" "de") relevant? YES do the names/surnames contain the 4 parts? YES/YOPE another subdivision relevant? Yes like, taking the first and last letter of each name and surname? Very close!
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Acridian9 » Mon May 22, 2017 2:17 pm

Another relevant subdivision: "les" "t" "rad" "e"? "l" "est" "r" "ade"?

What about taking the first two letters of each name and surname? the last two? some other fixed position inside the names/surnames (as in, fifth from start/third from end)?

The YES/YOPE above is related to the fact that the reference was only in the pilot? as in, in other episodes the names/surnames don't contain the 4 parts?
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Re: [Balin] A four by two by two by four

Postby Balin » Wed May 24, 2017 2:19 am

Another relevant subdivision: "les" "t" "rad" "e"? "l" "est" "r" "ade"? No, Le-St-Ra-De is the only relevant division

What about taking the first two letters of each name and surname? Exactly! the last two? some other fixed position inside the names/surnames (as in, fifth from start/third from end)?

The YES/YOPE above is related to the fact that the reference was only in the pilot? Yes! as in, in other episodes the names/surnames don't contain the 4 parts? You've got it.

****SPOILER****

In the TV show Monk, the two policeman Monk always worked with were Captain Leland Stottlemeyer and Lieutenant Randy Disher. But in the pilot episode, Randy's last name was "Deacon." If you take the first two letters of both character's (original) first and last names, you get Le-St-Ra-De.

Well done Acridian for the solve without looking up the names!
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