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[Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:19 pm

A man watches in somber silence as the flames rise on the horizon. "I guess this is the end of the world, then."
“Why are they here? What do they want?” asks his companion, pulling his coat closer around him.
“They’re getting ready to kill us, I’m sure,” replies the man. "We will do our best to circumvent them."
They continue on, and are able to get miles away from them, but die anyway, two days later, when they fall dead in a graveyard.
Explain.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby android18 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:33 pm

Man H?A?M? Companion H?A?M? 'They' H?A?M? Cause of death the same for both the man and companion? Exhaustion? Exposure? Murder? Starvation? Dehydration? Killed by 'them'? Is this puzzle from your own mind? A book? Film? TV show?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:08 pm

Man H?A?M? Yes to all Companion H?A?M? Yes to all 'They' H?A?M? Mixed, HA, some M, some F Cause of death the same for both the man and companion? Yes Exhaustion? Exposure? Murder? Starvation? Dehydration? Killed by 'them'? None of these
Is this puzzle from your own mind? Partially A book? Film? TV show? No to rest
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Grip » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:34 pm

"The world" = Earth?

Graveyard = for humans? pets?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 01, 2017 3:07 pm

"The world" = Earth? Yes

Graveyard = for humans? This pets?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby LemonCurry » Thu May 04, 2017 8:45 am

Is a war going on? Or a riot? Are "they" enemy soldiers? An angry mob?

Are our heroes falling into a dug-out grave?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby trebor » Thu May 04, 2017 9:24 pm

Does this take place in modern times? In the future? Is science fiction relevant?

Did the two men die by suicide? Accident? When they died, were there others who died with them? Was anyone in their presence when they died? Did the two men die in the graveyard? Or were they dead already and then were made to somehow "fall" into it?

When the companion pulls his coat closer around him, is it because he's cold? Getting rained on? Is it a coat of armour? Are the flames coming from buildings? From vegetation? Are the flames being carried by the people trying to kill them?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat May 06, 2017 3:14 am

Lemoncurry

Is a war going on? No Or a riot? No Are "they" enemy soldiers? No-ish An angry mob? No

Are our heroes falling into a dug-out grave? No

trebor

Does this take place in modern times? NO In the future? No Is science fiction relevant? No

Did the two men die by suicide? Accident? This When they died, were there others who died with them? Yes Was anyone in their presence when they died? Yes Did the two men die in the graveyard? Yes Or were they dead already and then were made to somehow "fall" into it? No

When the companion pulls his coat closer around him, is it because he's cold? Yes Getting rained on? Could be, I suppose Is it a coat of armour? No Are the flames coming from buildings? No From vegetation? Yes Are the flames being carried by the people trying to kill them? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby GalFisk » Sat May 06, 2017 6:14 am

Were the flames started by humans? Does this happen in prehistoric times? In fiction? Do they die from a lightning strike? Are "they" actually intending to kill "us"?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby irishelk » Sat May 06, 2017 12:17 pm

WAG, building on the "prehistoric" guess: Are they witnessing the "invention" of fire, i.e., humans learning how to make fires? Did the two men invent fire? Are the men Neanderthals? Are the "they"?

Whether or not any of that is even vaguely close: Did the two men start the "flames in the distance" fire? Did they start any fire? If so, is that why the others are going to kill them? Do they die in a fire?

When the man says "getting ready to kill us," will the group kill them intentionally? Maliciously/out of hate? Revenge? As a sacrifice? Incidentally to something else they are doing?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby trebor » Sun May 07, 2017 1:18 am

When the two men died was there anyone in their presence who didn't die?

Did the two men create the accident that killed them? Did "they"? Did "they" die as well? Are "they" foes of the men?

The number of people who died with the two. 1-100? 101-1,000? Greater?

Is it relevant that it's cold? Or that the man is cold?

Does this happen BCE? Between 1 and 1000 CE? Between 1000 and 1500? Later?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun May 07, 2017 6:04 pm

Galfisk

Were the flames started by humans? Yes Does this happen in prehistoric times? No In fiction? It's something like historical fiction, I guess. The specific situation is something I came up with, but based on some basic history. Do they die from a lightning strike? No Are "they" actually intending to kill "us"? NO

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WAG, building on the "prehistoric" guess: Are they witnessing the "invention" of fire, i.e., humans learning how to make fires? Did the two men invent fire? Are the men Neanderthals? Are the "they"? No to all, but I do like the idea

Whether or not any of that is even vaguely close: Did the two men start the "flames in the distance" fire? No Did they start any fire? No If so, is that why the others are going to kill them? Do they die in a fire? No

When the man says "getting ready to kill us," will the group kill them intentionally? Yes, or at least that's the fear. As Galfisk discovered, they don't actually intend to at all. Maliciously/out of hate? Revenge? These first two are closest, but neither exactly right, I don't think As a sacrifice? Incidentally to something else they are doing? No to these

trebor

When the two men died was there anyone in their presence who didn't die? Probably not, but possible that some survived

Did the two men create the accident that killed them? No-ish Did "they"? No Did "they" die as well? No Are "they" foes of the men? No-ish, not in any official sense

The number of people who died with the two. 1-100? This, not sure exactly how many, largely irrelevant, but assume more than 10 others 101-1,000? Greater?

Is it relevant that it's cold? Or that the man is cold? Not really, it's a minor clue, perhaps, but mostly there to add flavor

Does this happen BCE? Between 1 and 1000 CE? Between 1000 and 1500? Later? 16th or 17th century would probably work
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Balin » Mon May 08, 2017 11:13 am

Would the fire be considered arson?
Is superstition somehow relevant? Plague?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby irishelk » Mon May 08, 2017 3:17 pm

Do the two think they themselves have done something wrong? Illegal? Do they think they have started the fire, even if they have not?

Do the two think that the "they" are enemy soldiers, but they are not? Are the "they" from a foreign place? Have the "they" started the fire?

Do the "they" accidentally cause the two men's deaths? Do the two men accidentally cause their own deaths? Or in general, does the larger group that dies, including the two men, cause its own death?

When he says "this is the end of the world," does he believe...the physical Earth will be destroyed? Everyone on Earth will die? Everyone in their nation will die? Everyone within a large radius will die? Something else?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 08, 2017 8:13 pm

Balin

Would the fire be considered arson? No
Is superstition somehow relevant? No Plague? No

IrishElk

Do the two think they themselves have done something wrong? Illegal? Do they think they have started the fire, even if they have not? No to all

Do the two think that the "they" are enemy soldiers, but they are not? Yes-ish Are the "they" from a foreign place? YES, although depends somewhat on what you mean. They are not from the same place as the speakers. Have the "they" started the fire? Yes

Do the "they" accidentally cause the two men's deaths? No Do the two men accidentally cause their own deaths? Yope, not directly Or in general, does the larger group that dies, including the two men, cause its own death? Yope

When he says "this is the end of the world," does he believe...the physical Earth will be destroyed? Everyone on Earth will die? Everyone in their nation will die? Everyone within a large radius will die? Something else? THIS
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 09, 2017 7:19 am

Was the fire started for: light? Heat? Cooking? Land clearing? Pest control? To counter another fire? To destroy something manmade? To make smoke? By accident? For fun/celebration? Ritual/tradition? Intimidation? Killing? Cremation? War? Mining? Smelting? Other manufacture or extraction?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue May 09, 2017 12:56 pm

Was the fire started for: light? Heat? Largely This Cooking? Likely some of This Land clearing? Pest control? To counter another fire? To destroy something manmade? To make smoke? By accident? For fun/celebration? Ritual/tradition? Intimidation? Killing? Cremation? War? Mining? Smelting? Other manufacture or extraction? No to rest

There is a small FA that has been lurking

Always impressed by your exhaustive lists
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby irishelk » Wed May 10, 2017 11:34 am

Is the FA that there is one fire? Do the two men see many of the other group's fires? Is this what signals the other group's presence?

Does this scene take place in Europe? North America? South America? Africa? Asia? Are the two men indigenous to the region? Are the other group from another country than the two? Another continent? Are the other group colonists? Explorers? Invaders? Traders? Lost?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed May 10, 2017 4:25 pm

Is the FA that there is one fire? YES Do the two men see many of the other group's fires? Yes Is this what signals the other group's presence? Yes

Does this scene take place in Europe? North America? South America? This Africa? Asia? Are the two men indigenous to the region? No Are the other group from another country than the two? Another continent? This Are the other group colonists? Explorers? Maybe some this Invaders? Traders? Probably this Lost?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby biograd » Wed May 10, 2017 10:40 pm

So the people talking are native South Americans? If so, are they Aztecs (I realize they were not really South American, but they were not North American either)?

Is the death two days later from disease? poison of some kind? fighting among the natives themselves?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu May 11, 2017 12:57 am

So the people talking are native South Americans? No, sorry, the men speaking are in South America, but are not from there.
They are traders/explorers. The ones who started the fires are native South Americans.
If so, are they Aztecs (I realize they were not really South American, but they were not North American either)? No, the natives weren't Aztec

Is the death two days later from disease? poison of some kind? fighting among the natives themselves? No to all
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby biograd » Thu May 11, 2017 1:16 am

It's not your mistake--I was making a FA that since the speakers were asking "Why are they here? What do they want?" that they were the natives, and the traders with the fires were Europeans who had encroached onto their territory. I guess it's the other way around, then.

Did the natives intend for the traders to fall into the graveyard and die?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri May 12, 2017 1:16 am

Did the natives intend for the traders to fall into the graveyard and die? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat May 13, 2017 2:41 pm

Are the firestarters trying to build something? Destroy something? Find something? Obtain something? Are they aware of the trader/explorers? Are the trader/explorers trying to flee? Are they the last survivors of a "lost" expedition? Spanish? French? English? Dutch? Portuguese? The Darien Scheme relevant?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby trebor » Mon May 15, 2017 12:51 am

Does he mean "the end of the world" as in the end of an empire or colony? The end of profitable trade? The geographic point at which the planet is no more? (Not that such a point really exists...)
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 15, 2017 2:49 am

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Are the firestarters trying to build something? Destroy something? Find something? Obtain something? No to all, their exact actions are somewhat irrelevant, the fires they built were largely just for warmth. Are they aware of the trader/explorers? NO, or irrelevant, I guess Are the trader/explorers trying to flee? Yope, not fleeing, per se, but they believe they are avoiding danger Are they the last survivors of a "lost" expedition? No actual historical expeditions are involved, but generally, this would be OTRT, although there could have been others that survived this event, and the puzzle would still work. Spanish? French? English? Dutch? Portuguese? Though somewhat irrel, I think Spanish would be most appropriate. The Darien Scheme relevant? No

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Does he mean "the end of the world" as in the end of an empire or colony? No The end of profitable trade? No The geographic point at which the planet is no more? (Not that such a point really exists...) YES-ish, not exactly as you stated, but very OTRT
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon May 15, 2017 4:53 am

Do they believe they cannot go any further? That they have reached the "end of the world" as it were?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 15, 2017 4:04 pm

Do they believe they cannot go any further? No-ish That they have reached the "end of the world" as it were? Yes

Where are they, and where and how do they die?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby trebor » Wed May 17, 2017 5:22 am

Are they on one of the coasts of South America? Are they at its southernmost point? Do they die of exposure? Starvation? Thirst? Injury? Did they actually fall to their deaths? Were they killed by other living things?

Are any religious ceremonies or rites involved?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Westing1992 » Wed May 17, 2017 10:32 pm

Were they on a shore? On cliffs?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby irishelk » Thu May 18, 2017 11:26 pm

Do they believe they have reached the edge of the flat earth? Or the mythical hole at the South Pole?

Do they die because they hold a mistaken belief? About geography? About the native people?

Do they die in a graveyard that contains their own people? The dead of the native people who make the fires? Or the dead of another, third group?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat May 20, 2017 2:12 am

trebor

Are they on one of the coasts of South America? Yes-ish, not ON... Are they at its southernmost point? Yes, or close to it Do they die of exposure? Starvation? Thirst? Injury? No to these Did they actually fall to their deaths? No-ish Were they killed by other living things? No

Are any religious ceremonies or rites involved? No

Westing1992

Were they on a shore? On cliffs? No to both

irishelk

Do they believe they have reached the edge of the flat earth? Or the mythical hole at the South Pole? No to both

Do they die because they hold a mistaken belief? About geography? About the native people? No to these

Do they die in a graveyard that contains their own people? The dead of the native people who make the fires? Or the dead of another, third group? Possibly some of all

Taking a look at a map wouldn't hurt
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby GalFisk » Sat May 20, 2017 4:53 am

Death from: cold? Heat? Suffocation? Strangulation? Shock? Blood loss? Disease? Poison? Venom? Fall? Impact? Trap? Weapon? Explosion? Starvation? Thirst? Failure of a specific organ? Brain injury? Electrocution? Drowning? Fear? Supernatural causes? Old age? Scalding? Infection? Decompression? Fatigue? Animal attack? Radiation?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Acridian9 » Sat May 20, 2017 12:35 pm

Are they part of the Magellan expedition? Are they on a ship? Do they die in a shipwreck?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun May 21, 2017 3:57 pm

GalFisk

Death from: cold? Heat? Suffocation? Strangulation? Shock? Blood loss? Disease? Poison? Venom? Fall? Impact? Trap? Weapon? Explosion? Starvation? Thirst? Failure of a specific organ? Brain injury? Electrocution? Drowning? THiS Fear? Supernatural causes? Old age? Scalding? Infection? Decompression? Fatigue? Animal attack? Radiation?

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Are they part of the Magellan expedition? I was thinking shortly after that expedition, but close enough Are they on a ship? YES Do they die in a shipwreck? YES

************SPOILER*************

The men are on a sea voyage on a trading and/or exploring expedition around South America, sometime shortly after Magellan's expedition. They arrive at Tierra Del Fuego, also known as "the end of the world", due to it being the southernmost tip of South America, and literally translated "Land of Fire", where the natives would be seen with many bonfires on the coast, a practice mostly meant for warmth in the cold winds of this far south land. When Magellan saw the many fires, he thought the natives were setting up an ambush. These explorers thought the same thing, so instead of going through Magellan's straight, which is a slight shortcut to the Pacific, they sailed around the horn, to the waters known as the Sailor's Graveyard, because of the wild weather and choppy seas. Unfortunately, our explorers became shipwrecked in a storm and died.


Thanks for playing! This one was kind of tricksy and used some specific historical/geographical information, so I wasn't sure how it would go, but we got there in the end, thanks to your lateral minds.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Apocalypse Later (APOCALYPSE NOW)

Postby irishelk » Thu May 25, 2017 7:12 pm

Interesting! Great lateral leap that they were on a ship.
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