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[IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Sun May 07, 2017 12:08 pm

His only motive was to make them mad, and he did. But he also got revenge from beyond the grave.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby GalFisk » Sun May 07, 2017 2:56 pm

Mad: angry? Insane? Irritated? Disorganized? Unpredictable? Did he want to make them mad as revenge? Them: H? A? M? Relatives? Is a will relevant? Did he succeed beyond his expectations? Did he get revenge on them from beyond the grave? On someone else?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Mon May 08, 2017 3:07 pm

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Mad: angry? This. Insane? Irritated? Or this. Disorganized? Unpredictable? No to rest.
Did he want to make them mad as revenge? No or irr. Them: H? Yes. A? Yes. M? Yope. Relatives? Yes. Is a will relevant? No. Did he succeed beyond his expectations? Not in making them mad, no. Did he get revenge on them from beyond the grave? No. On someone else? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed May 10, 2017 3:58 pm

Was the action he took to anger them directly tied to his death? Did he die shortly after taking the action? Minutes? Hours? Days? Years?

Is the revenge he took dependent upon having made his relatives mad? Does he get revenge on one person? More than one? His killer?

Is time period relevant? Is this a true story?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Fri May 12, 2017 2:17 am

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Was the action he took to anger them directly tied to his death? No. Did he die shortly after taking the action? No. Minutes? Hours? Days? Years? This, exact period irrelevant.

Is the revenge he took dependent upon having made his relatives mad? Indirectly. Does he get revenge on one person? Yes. More than one? His killer? Yes.

Is time period relevant? No, could be many times and places. Is this a true story? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 12, 2017 7:16 am

Relevant who killed him? Why? Were his relatives still mad at him when he died? Did the relatives play a part in the revenge on the killer? Was the killer punished only because he made his relatives mad? Was the revenge that the killer was: caught? Found guilty? Punished by law? Killed by someone? Beaten up? Otherwise physically injured? Financially injured? Prevented from accomplishing what the murder was meant to accomplish?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Sat May 13, 2017 5:19 pm

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Relevant who killed him? Yes. Why? Yes. Were his relatives still mad at him when he died? Irrel, probably not. Did the relatives play a part in the revenge on the killer? Yesish. Was the killer punished only because he made his relatives mad? Not because they're mad, but because of how he made them mad. Was the revenge that the killer was: caught? Found guilty? Punished by law? Yes, all of this. Killed by someone? Beaten up? Otherwise physically injured? Financially injured? Prevented from accomplishing what the murder was meant to accomplish? And this, no to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun May 14, 2017 10:43 pm

I'm gonna call him Ned, if that's okay.

Was Ned aware that his killer would be caught and punished because Ned had made his own relatives angry? Did Ned make them angry with this in mind?

Was Ned a young man, middle aged, old? Was he exiled from his family? Was he a "black sheep?" Are the killer and Ned's relations' anger related? Did the relatives send Ned's killer after him?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 15, 2017 6:55 am

Was he killed for: profit? Revenge? Love issues? To prevent him from doing something relevant? Did he know his life was in danger? Of so, did he know it when he made them mad?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Mon May 15, 2017 1:28 pm

JenBurdoo

I'm gonna call him Ned, if that's okay. Ned is great.

Was Ned aware that his killer would be caught and punished because Ned had made his own relatives angry? No. Did Ned make them angry with this in mind? No.

Was Ned a young man, middle aged, old? Young, exact age irr. Was he exiled from his family? No. Was he a "black sheep?" Possibly, irr. Are the killer and Ned's relations' anger related? No (tiny "ish" that would only mislead). Did the relatives send Ned's killer after him? No.


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Was he killed for: profit? Revenge? Love issues? To prevent him from doing something relevant? No to all (Well, DOYD of "profit"...but not for money).
Did he know his life was in danger? No. Of so, did he know it when he made them mad?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby Grip » Thu May 18, 2017 11:14 pm

Supernatural involved at all?

Are there any children among the angry relatives?

Was Ned killed for his property? are wills relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Thu May 18, 2017 11:18 pm

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Supernatural involved at all? No.

Are there any children among the angry relatives? No.

Was Ned killed for his property? No. are wills relevant? No.
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Postby Grip » Thu May 18, 2017 11:42 pm

Is it relevant how Ned was killed?
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Postby irishelk » Fri May 19, 2017 10:24 pm

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Is it relevant how Ned was killed? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 23, 2017 12:48 pm

Relations between Ned and the killer: professional? Personal? Strangers? Colleagues? Relatives? Enemies? Any crimes relevant, apart from the murder itself? Motive for murder: disposing of a witness? Removal of a hindrance? Was the murder planned? Accidental?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 pm

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Relations between Ned and the killer: professional? Personal? Strangers? Colleagues? Relatives? This. Enemies?
Any crimes relevant, apart from the murder itself? No. Motive for murder: disposing of a witness? No. Removal of a hindrance? No. Was the murder planned? Yes. Accidental? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:02 am

Exact relation relevant? If so, brother/sister? Son/daughter? Stepson/daughter? Uncle/aunt? Father/mother? Cousin? Nephew/niece? Grandchild?

Does the killer have any relevant anger towards Ned? Because of fear? Because of financial gain? Because Ned knew something the killer didn't want him to know? Because of career? Because of social/political standing? Because of another relationship? Does he take anything of Ned's?

Was the killer caught at the scene of the crime? Or later? Was evidence found at the scene of the crime that pointed to the killer?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:26 pm

Hobbsicle

Exact relation relevant? Yes. If so, brother/sister? Brother. Son/daughter? Stepson/daughter? Uncle/aunt? Father/mother? Cousin? Nephew/niece? Grandchild?

Does the killer have any relevant anger towards Ned? Likely, but irr. Because of fear? Irr. Because of financial gain? This is relevant... Because Ned knew something the killer didn't want him to know? Because of career? Because of social/political standing? This could be relevant.Because of another relationship? Yesish. Does he take anything of Ned's? YESISH.

Was the killer caught at the scene of the crime? Or later? This. Was evidence found at the scene of the crime that pointed to the killer? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby hominid » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:50 am

Another relationship: between Ned and someone else? Between the brother and someone else? Romantic relationship? Family relationship?

Did the brother take Ned's money? A physical thing of Ned's? A non-tangible thing?

Financial gain: Ned's financial gain? The brothers? Did the money come from a job? Inheritance? Some other source?

Can we call the killer/brother Sherman?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:39 pm

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Another relationship: between Ned and someone else? Yes. Between the brother and someone else? Yes. Romantic relationship? No. Family relationship? Yes.

Did the brother take Ned's money? Probably, but more importantly... A physical thing of Ned's? A non-tangible thing? This.

Financial gain: Ned's financial gain? The brothers? This. Did the money come from a job? Inheritance? Some other source? From the killing, but don't get too hung up on this.

Can we call the killer/brother Sherman? Definitely. Great questions.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby hominid » Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:24 pm

I'm assuming Ned and Sherman are full siblings. Is this correct? Relevant which one is older? Are they twins?

The other family member (the one whose relationship with Ned and Sherman is the subject of Sherman's anger...ish): one person? Multiple people? Ned's child? Sherman's child? Another sibling's child? Another sibling of them? Their mother? Their father? Their grandmother? Grandfather? Aunt? Uncle? Cousin? In-law of some sort? Stepparent? Stepsibling?

Did Sherman take some title from Ned? A job? A position? Some information?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:26 pm

hominid

I'm assuming Ned and Sherman are full siblings. Is this correct? Yes. Relevant which one is older? Are they twins? Yes!

The other family member (the one whose relationship with Ned and Sherman is the subject of Sherman's anger...ish): one person? Multiple people? This. Ned's child? Sherman's child? Another sibling's child? Another sibling of them? Their mother? Their father? Their grandmother? Grandfather? Aunt? Uncle? Cousin? In-law of some sort? Stepparent? Stepsibling? Definitely parents, possibly others as well.

Did Sherman take some title from Ned? Yesish. A job? A position? In a sense. Some information? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby hominid » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:32 pm

Are they identical? Fraternal? Is Ned relevantly "older" (by a few minutes)? Is Sherman? Do the parents favor Ned? Do they favor Sherman? Do the parents know that Sherman killed Ned?

Is a monarchy relevant? Relevant where this takes place? Relevant when this takes place?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:19 pm

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Are they identical? Yes! Fraternal? Is Ned relevantly "older" (by a few minutes)? Is Sherman? Irr. Do the parents favor Ned? Yes. Do they favor Sherman? Do the parents know that Sherman killed Ned? At one point, yes.

Is a monarchy relevant? No. Relevant where this takes place? Relevant when this takes place? Not really, assume present day.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:49 pm

Do they look identical? Is there a relevant physical difference between them? Facial hair relevant? Clothing? Does Sherman impersonate Ned? Does Ned impersonate Sherman? Is Ned accused of doing something that Sherman did? Is Sherman accused of doing something that Ned did? Did the parents ever mistake Sherman for Ned? Did the parents ever mistake Ned for Sherman?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:21 pm

hominid

Do they look identical? Yesish, but... Is there a relevant physical difference between them? Yes. Facial hair relevant? Clothing? No. Does Sherman impersonate Ned? Yes. Does Ned impersonate Sherman? No. Is Ned accused of doing something that Sherman did? Is Sherman accused of doing something that Ned did? No to both. Did the parents ever mistake Sherman for Ned? Yes. Did the parents ever mistake Ned for Sherman? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:25 pm

Did Sherman impersonate Ned before Ned's death? After? Is a scar the differnence between them? Amputations relevant? Disease?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:10 pm

hominid

Did Sherman impersonate Ned before Ned's death? No. After? Yes indeed.
Is a scar the difference between them? Amputations relevant? Disease? No to rest. You're really close, the puzzle statement should help.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby hominid » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:26 am

Tattoos? Piercings?

Did Ned have a tattoo? Did Sherman know about the tattoo? Was this used as proof that Sherman wasn't Ned?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant

Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:24 pm

hominid

Tattoos? Yes! Piercings?

Did Ned have a tattoo? Yes. Did Sherman know about the tattoo? No. Was this used as proof that Sherman wasn't Ned? You got it!


**************************SPOILER

In his rebellious youth, Ned gets a tattoo just to make his parents mad, and it works like a charm. Years go by. Ned becomes a productive member of society, and usually covers his tattoo with clothing.

Then one day, Ned's psychotic twin brother Sherman escapes from the mental institution where he was being held, murders Ned, and takes his place. He does a fair job of impersonation, but their parents grow suspicious. One day they demand to see Ned's tattoo--but of course Sherman doesn't have one! Ned gets a sort of revenge on Sherman, as he is locked up for life.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant {LAID TO REST}

Postby hominid » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:46 pm

Wow, great puzzle! I wasn't thinking anywhere near those lines until you told me to look at the puzzle statement again.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Revenant {LAID TO REST}

Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:50 pm

I know, it's so easy (for me, at least) to go down a rabbit hole and forget what the initial question was, lol.
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