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[Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:43 am

She left the store happier, despite realizing that she didn't deserve what she had.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:24 am

Hi,
she:H/A/F?
did she win something she didn't deserve?did she go to the store in order to buy something?An object a service?More than one?Relevant?Did someone relevant work in the store she went to?Relevant what she bought? Relevant which type of store it was?A mall? Seven eleven?Supermarket? Clothing store?Food store?A store where specific items were sold?

did she received a relevant benefit from the store?Discount?Gift?Was the benefit expected?Price relevant?Title "mathematical error" implies a computational error in something?Did something relevant happened inside the store?Outside?

Or something happened without the staff of the store realized that it happened?For instance: error in the computation of price total?Is something illegal going on?

"what she had": in general?From the purchasing of something?Something she didn't have before entering the store?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:46 pm

Hi, Hi!

I'll be using roughly the color system that WiZ and others have been using because I find it easier to read and I'm guessing others do.

she:H/yesA/honestly most likely not, but irrelevantF? Irrelevant, but yes.

did she win something she didn't deserve?yes!did she go to the store in order to buy something?An object a service?More than one?Relevant?no to all. She didn't buy anything that was relevant to the puzzle. Assume she bought nothing at all.Did someone relevant work in the store she went to? No (although it presumably had employees like any normal store)Relevant what she bought? No, FA, see above Relevant which type of store it was?A mall? Seven eleven?Supermarket? Clothing store?Food store?A store where specific items were sold? This. It doesn't matter what kind of store it was, as long as it sold a certain item. Could have been any of the types you listed, except maybe clothing store.

did she received a relevant benefit from the store?Noish Discount?Gift? no to theseWas the benefit expected? No "benefit" in the usual sense. What she did get was maybe half-expected.Price relevant? no.Title "mathematical error" implies a computational error in something? yes.Did something relevant happened inside the store? yes.Outside? yes.

Or something happened without the staff of the store realized that it happened? irrelevant whether the staff noticed or not. Assume they didn't.For instance: error in the computation of price total? no.Is something illegal going on? no.

"what she had": in general? yes.From the purchasing of something?Something she didn't have before entering the store? no to these.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:04 pm

Thanks for quickly replying!,

so she win something: lottery tickets involved?A game of some sort?Game room relevant?She went to the store to receive something?A prize?Money?An item she won? Did she win that something because of the computational error mentioned?

Did she herself did a computation wrong?Others?An automatic counter?Electronic relevant?Approximation?A human?For instance the organizer of the supposed game.Were there other people involved? Was she counted as the hundredth client of a store and receive something from store's owner?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:14 pm

Thanks for quickly replying!, no problem! Thanks for asking questions!

so she win something: lottery tickets involved? noA game of some sort? I guess you could call it that Game room relevant? no She went to the store to receive something? noish A prize?Money?An item she won? no to these Did she win that something because of the computational error mentioned? yes

Did she herself did a computation wrong? no Others?yes An automatic counter?Electronic relevant?Approximation?no to theseA human? yesFor instance the organizer of the supposed game. yesWere there other people involved? yes Was she counted as the hundredth client of a store and receive something from store's owner? no, good guess though
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:34 pm

Organizer of the game a member of the store's staff? Was he/she (organizer) playing a kind of eenie meenie miny moe? Extractions relevant? Was the game played outside the store?Inside it?Amusement parks relevant?Was it a tournament?Score relevant?Did she get into the store for playing the game?For other reasons?Can everyone get into the store?Is it based on a real event?A fictional one?is what caused the mathematical error relevant?A simple oversight?

Was it a game that involves luck?cards?dyes?casino games?extractions?team game?table game?
Was she playing with someone?Against someone?Was there a row outside the store? Did she relevantly "jump the line" ?

A certain item: relevantly displayed on a window?Did it attract customers?is the item sold in order to partecipate the game?

Mathematical error in doing a subtraction?a sum?a multiplication?a division?Relevant?counting twice?Count a number instead of another?Is the "mis counted" number a telephone number?

Sorry, need to go. Tomorrow more questions :)
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:42 pm

Organizer of the game a member of the store's staff? no Was he/she (organizer) playing a kind of eenie meenie miny moe? no (and the organizer's gender is irrelevant, but we'll go with "he" since he's theoretically based on me) Extractions relevant? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but I don't think so. Was the game played outside the store? yes Inside it? no Amusement parks relevant? no Was it a tournament? no Score relevant? no Did she get into the store for playing the game? no For other reasons? yope Can everyone get into the store? Yes, it's a normal store Is it based on a real event? Loosely. It's vaguely inspired by real events, but most of the story is fictional. A fictional one? Like, from a book or something? No. is what caused the mathematical error relevant? no A simple oversight? Assume this.

Was it a game that involves luck? This...sort of cards?dyes?casino games?extractions?team game?table game? no to rest. "Game" isn't really the best description of it, although it technically qualifies as one.
Was she playing with someone?Against someone? this is the closest Was there a row outside the store? no Did she relevantly "jump the line" ? no

A certain item: relevantly displayed on a window? irrelevant Did it attract customers? irrelevant is the item sold in order to partecipate the game? no

Mathematical error in doing a subtraction?a sum?a multiplication? thisa division?Relevant? yes counting twice?Count a number instead of another? as stated before, the exact cause of the error is irrelevant, but the fact that it was a multiplication error is important. Assume that the organizer forgot to carry the 1 or something like that. Is the "mis counted" number a telephone number? no

Sorry, need to go. Tomorrow more questions :) Good night!
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:49 am

Is the "game" (I'll continue to call it like that for the moment, sorry) played one vs one?All vs all?One vs all?One vs organizer(s)?All vs organizer(s)?
Did she relevantly receive something tangible for having won? Is the store somehow connected with what she won?To the "game" in general?

Multiplication error: before the game started?At the end of the game?During the game? did it influenced directly the sort of the game?are the numbers involved in the multiplication in the order of dozens?hundreds?More?Numbers involved in multiplication not related to score: so was a number assigned to each participant?To select who is against who? Is it important the number of times they repeat a certain action?Did the numbers represent something relevant in the game?Were they randomly assigned?Randomly chosen?
"Certain item sold by the store": food related?drink?Calculators?electronic devices(phones, pc, TVs, DvDs,...)?Stationery?Sweets?Can I find it in "international" stores such as McDonald, Starbucks?

"Game": is it more like a sport?A ball involved?Does it require movements to be done?Dancing?Could it be played with a minimum number of just two people?Three?More?Does it require memory?Logic?Agility?Just luck?Gambling?Lotto (I try)? Is it "played" with a relevant item?The same item sold inside the store?can it be played in inside or is it meant to be played outside?Is it popular?Is it meant for children? also for adults?Both?

So, just to be sure: store=physical store(not an online one for example)?she went inside the store after having played the game?Not before, right?And she did get anything from the shop: in the sense that nor she bought something, nor she received something for free right?
Were the people and the girl customers of the store?People in general?Part of a specific group?Group characterized by a specific characteristic?Such as gender, age, physical conditions, hobby, passion? Did they know each other?Relevant?

Location of the store relevant?What was outside the store?Was the "game" taking place right in front of the store?Somewhere else?Relevant?Relevant why the "game" was organized?For instance to interact tourists, customers of an hotel, to attract/entertain people, to decide who was allowed to do something, related to a particular event.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:04 pm

Is the "game" (I'll continue to call it like that for the moment, sorry) played one vs one?All vs all?this.One vs all?One vs organizer(s)?All vs organizer(s)?
Did she relevantly receive something tangible for having won? yes. Is the store somehow connected with what she won? yesish.To the "game" in general? Not relevantly.
Multiplication error: before the game started?thisAt the end of the game?During the game? no to rest. did it influenced directly the sort of the game?yopeare the numbers involved in the multiplication in the order of dozens?assume this, but not too relevant. Definitely more than like 1 or 2 though.hundreds?More?Numbers involved in multiplication not related to score: so was a number assigned to each participant?noish--and certainly no if you're asking specifically about the number involved in the errorTo select who is against who? no Is it important the number of times they repeat a certain action?noDid the numbers represent something relevant in the game?yesWere they randomly assigned?Randomly chosen? no to these
"Certain item sold by the store": food related?thisdrink?Calculators?electronic devices(phones, pc, TVs, DvDs,...)?Stationery?Sweets?Can I find it in "international" stores such as McDonald, Starbucks? probably not these, but it would be fairly widely available in general

"Game": is it more like a sport?noA ball involved?noDoes it require movements to be done?I mean, no more than the usual movements people make (talking,
writing)
Dancing?noCould it be played with a minimum number of just two people?Three?More?Technically it could be played with two people plus the organizer, but it would work much better with a lot of people. In this case, assume that 100 or so people played, including our main character.Does it require memory?noLogic?this would help, but not entirely necessaryAgility?noJust luck?mostly luckGambling?noLotto (I try)? no, but similar Is it "played" with a relevant item?yesThe same item sold inside the store?yope. Explorecan it be played in inside or is it meant to be played outside?either of these would workIs it popular?somewhatIs it meant for children? also for adults?Both? Probably more children than adults, but either could play

So, just to be sure: store=physical store(not an online one for example)?correctshe went inside the store after having played the game?yesNot before, right?And she did get anything from the shop: in the sense that nor she bought something, nor she received something for free right? she didn't receive any physical objects
Were the people and the girl customers of the store?no, she is the only relevant customerPeople in general?noPart of a specific group?yesGroup characterized by a specific characteristic?Such as gender, age, physical conditions, hobby, passion? Did they know each other?Relevant? all irrelevant, aside from the group they are all part of

Location of the store relevant?noWhat was outside the store?noWas the "game" taking place right in front of the store?Somewhere else?Relevant?Relevant why the "game" was organized?For instance to interact tourists, customers of an hotel, to attract/entertain people, to decide who was allowed to do something, related to a particular event. rest is irrelevant.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:07 pm

Really don't have idea of the game :SSSSSS

Multiplication error: part of the preparatory steps for the game?Game set up?Rules of the game?Assignation of the items?Were the people given more than one item?Example: n items each n people?The more the "item supplies" the more the benefits you have for the game?

item:is it food or just food related(dishes, cutlery, spices...)?Usually consumed at breakfast?Lunch?Dinner?Burgers?Meet?Cereals?is it bigger than a baseball ball?Is it fruit?Dried fruit?Vegetable?Chips?Snacks?Is it used for as part of a tombola(sort of Bingo, maybe Powerball in english) set?(played usually with beans, pasta or lentils) Is there a drawn?Is the general scheme: someone draw a number and the participants should check if the number drawn match?Is it usually played standing?Sitting?Did the participants eat this item?Use it to count something?

Did she want to play again? So she went inside the shop in order to get some "item" more?Or she went just to return the item?Is it possible to play the game more than once?More rounds?was the game a sort of advertisement of the product?Did she won a provision of the "item"?Relevant what she won?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:30 pm

Really don't have idea of the game :SSSSSS

Multiplication error: part of the preparatory steps for the game?yesGame set up?yopeRules of the game?noAssignation of the items?yesishWere the people given more than one item?DOYD of "item",
also slight FA
Example: n items each n people?noThe more the "item supplies" the more the benefits you have for the game? yesish

item:is it food or just food related(dishes, cutlery, spices...)?It is food...but also something elseUsually consumed at breakfast?Lunch?Dinner?Burgers?Meet?Cereals?is it bigger than a baseball ball?Is it fruit?Dried fruit?Vegetable?Chips?Snacks?Several food items could work. We'll go with pretzels.Is it used for as part of a tombola(sort of Bingo, maybe Powerball in english) set?(played usually with beans, pasta or lentils) Is there a drawn?Is the general scheme: someone draw a number and the participants should check if the number drawn match?no to allIs it usually played standing?Sitting?Generally the organizer would be sitting while the participants would be standing, but this isn't relevant to the puzzle.Did the participants eat this item?No, but OTRTUse it to count something?Yope
Did she want to play again? not relevantly So she went inside the shop in order to get some "item" more?no, but OTRTOr she went just to return the item?noIs it possible to play the game more than once?More rounds?If you want to play the game more than once, you have to wait until the next time such a game happens, but only one round of the game is relevant here.was the game a sort of advertisement of the product?irrelevantDid she won a provision of the "item"?yesRelevant what she won? yes
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:29 pm

Has the organizer an active role?Displays something? Did partecipant need to guess a number?to guess something in general? Did they count by dividing/crumbling the "pretzels"?

Count something: number of times a certain thing happens? Is what is counted displayed by the organizer?Did the partecipant see what is counted?Do the organizers?Did the organizer do a wrong multiplication in counting what partecipants should count later on, hence assigning the prize to the girl?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:51 pm

Has the organizer an active role?yes, but not terribly relevant.Displays something? yes Did partecipant need to guess a number?yes!to guess something in general? yes, as stated in previous question Did they count by dividing/crumbling the "pretzels"? no

Count something: number of times a certain thing happens? no Is what is counted displayed by the organizer?yesDid the partecipant see what is counted?yesDo the organizers?yesDid the organizer do a wrong multiplication in counting what partecipants should count later on, hence assigning the prize to the girl? yes

(Edit: changed answer to "Displays something" from irrelevant to yes)
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:41 am

despite realizing that she didn't deserve what she had: did she realize it later on?Did she realize it after having entered in the store?Because she has seen something relevant?The package where the pretzels were sold?Something relevant on the package?Did she realized it because someone told her?Do other participants realized it?

Were the pretzels in packages or "free"?Was the multiplication error related to something like "n pretzels for m packages"?were the pretzels given to participants?If not, did participants need to take the more pretzels they could?Did they need to do something in a short amount of time?Were there other relevant items?Water, cards, billboards, screens, wheels?

something displayed: is that something displayed a wheel of fortune?Is it displayed through a relevant technology?Displayed on a screen?Participants counted what was displayed?Was that something displayed random?Completely determined by chance?Or do organizers have a role in determining it?Was the error related to the determination of it?Is the something displayed a sort of random number generator?Did someone set it up in a wrong way?Was the multiplication error reflected by a wrong number appeared on a screen?

Was the provision that the girl won sold by the store?Did she enter the store in connection with the provision she won?As part of the win?Did she won something else, such as a free appetizer?To see it?Too eat some pretzels?To declare herself as the winner?

Time relevant?Afternoon?Evening?Holiday(was the store opened, just to be sure?)Were the pretzels relevantly put on a card/on a billboard/somewhere else in order to count?

Relevant how the winner was determined?By counting the number of pretzels remained in his/her possession?By counting the number of pretzels in general?By seeing where he/she put the pretzels on a card? on a billboard?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:01 pm

despite realizing that she didn't deserve what she had: did she realize it later on?noDid she realize it after having entered in the store?yesBecause she has seen something relevant?yesThe package where the pretzels were sold?yesish, DOYD of "package"Something relevant on the package?yesish, DOYD of "package"Did she realized it because someone told her?noDo other participants realized it?irrelevant

Were the pretzels in packages or "free"?they weren't in "packages" in the usual sense, but exploreWas the multiplication error related to something like "n pretzels for m packages"?noish, but OTRTwere the pretzels given to participants?yopeIf not, did participants need to take the more pretzels they could?noDid they need to do something in a short amount of time?noWere there other relevant items?paper and pen would have been necessary for the game, but not terribly relevant to the puzzleWater, cards, billboards, screens, wheels? no to these

something displayed: is that something displayed a wheel of fortune?Is it displayed through a relevant technology?Displayed on a screen?Participants counted what was displayed?Was that something displayed random?Completely determined by chance?Or do organizers have a role in determining it?Was the error related to the determination of it?Is the something displayed a sort of random number generator?Did someone set it up in a wrong way?Was the multiplication error reflected by a wrong number appeared on a screen? no to all; you're overthinking the "display" thing

Was the provision that the girl won sold by the store?not sure what you mean by "provision" here.Did she enter the store in connection with the provision she won?yopeAs part of the win?noishDid she won something else, such as a free appetizer?noTo see it?yope, exploreToo eat some pretzels?yope, exploreTo declare herself as the winner? no

Time relevant?Afternoon?Evening?Holiday(was the store opened, just to be sure?)Were the pretzels relevantly put on a card/on a billboard/somewhere else in order to count? all irrelevant. Assume the store was open, although I suppose breaking into a closed store would have accomplished the same thing

Relevant how the winner was determined?yesBy counting the number of pretzels remained in his/her possession?noBy counting the number of pretzels in general?no, but OTRTBy seeing where he/she put the pretzels on a card? no on a billboard? no

You're asking great questions here, but there's something important in the previous round of answers that you seem to have missed.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:21 pm

You're asking great questions here, but there's something important in the previous round of answers that you seem to have missed--> do you refer to the guess of the number?Or the fact that everybody sees what is displayed?

Package = a box?A bag?Something relevant on the box?Ingredients?Calories?Weight?Advertisment?Brand?Did she noticed that something while going to eat the pretzels?For example: she was concerned by the calories they contained so she checked them realizing the mistake that was committed?Is the something relevant she has seen the "package" of pretzels?

Were the "packages" opened by participants?

Did they need to guess a single number?More than one?Did they need to guess a number displayed on the "confection/package" of pretzels?Did they need to guess a number related to all the packages given to all the participants?

Is weighting relevant?Did the multiplication error concerns the weight of the single box multiplied by the number of boxes?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:44 pm

You're asking great questions here, but there's something important in the previous round of answers that you seem to have missed--> do you refer to the guess of the number?thisOr the fact that everybody sees what is displayed?this is kind of relevant, but probably not as helpful in figuring out the puzzle

Package = a box?A bag?neither of these, but keep guessingSomething relevant on the box?not a box, but yes, something on the containerIngredients?yesishCalories?noWeight?noAdvertisment?noBrand?noDid she noticed that something while going to eat the pretzels?no, possible FAFor example: she was concerned by the calories they contained so she checked them realizing the mistake that was committed?no, but somewhat OTRTIs the something relevant she has seen the "package" of pretzels? It's the container itself, as well as some things on the container.

Were the "packages" opened by participants? yope, FA

Did they need to guess a single number?yesMore than one?noDid they need to guess a number displayed on the "confection/package" of pretzels?noDid they need to guess a number related to all the packages given to all the participants? no, FA

Is weighting relevant?noDid the multiplication error concerns the weight of the single box multiplied by the number of boxes? no

HINT (which may help clear up the FA): There are only two relevant "packages" ("container" would be a better word) in the puzzle.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:28 am

Were the two container identical? Different? Do they differ for: the number of pretzels cointained?the type of pretzels cointained? Something like how many pretzels were on the first package? How many in the second one?
How many of one type inside one and how many in the other one?How many in total? Quantity of a certain ingredients (sugar,salt,fat content)in one? Both?Dod the quantity refer just to one pretzel and a multiplication should be done to extend it to all pretzels?Were the cointainer the same the girl won? Was she then able to check the ingredients/something relevant on the box?

Sonething on the two cointainers: sonething written?Something painted? The number that should be guessed? The number that should be multiplied in order to get the solution?
Do they need to guess the quantity of a certain ingredient? And the closest number would have won? were them traditional pretzels? Special ingredients present? Was the ingredient hidden by something?Were participants able to see everything that was written on the two cointainers? Did the multiplication error concern the number of pretzels inside the two cointainers?The quantity of a key ingredient/some ingredients ?Did the multiplication number concerns something that should be recovered by what was written on the cointainers: I mean, quantity of a certain ingredient displayed in a cointainer multiplied by 2 or by the numbwr of pretzels insiede each cointainer, or for instance on the cointainer was displayed the number of a certain ingredient and one needed to recover the fat(that must be recovered)?Was the initial intention to put the same quantity on both cointainers?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:23 pm

Were the two container identical?yope Different? yope Do they differ for: the number of pretzels cointained?nothe type of pretzels cointained?no Something like how many pretzels were on the first package? How many in the second one? the actual number is irrelevant; let's say it's 1200 in each container
How many of one type inside one and how many in the other one?all the same type of pretzelHow many in total? thisish Quantity of a certain ingredients (sugar,salt,fat content)in one? Both?noish, exploreDod the quantity refer just to one pretzel and a multiplication should be done to extend it to all pretzels?no but OTRTWere the cointainer the same the girl won? yesish--same brand, same container size and shape, same contents, if that's what you're asking Was she then able to check the ingredients/something relevant on the box?yes

Sonething on the two cointainers: FA sonething written?Something painted? "printed" would be a better word The number that should be guessed? no The number that should be multiplied in order to get the solution? Yope--exploreDo they need to guess the quantity of a certain ingredient? yesish, DOYD of "ingredient" but you're very, very close And the closest number would have won? yes were them traditional pretzels? traditional hard pretzels,
yes
Special ingredients present? not relevantly, but exploreWas the ingredient hidden by something?noWere participants able to see everything that was written on the two cointainers? yope, FA Did the multiplication error concern the number of pretzels inside the two cointainers?yesish, FAThe quantity of a key ingredient/some ingredients ? yes, a very key ingredientDid the multiplication number concerns something that should be recovered by what was written on the cointainers: I mean, quantity of a certain ingredient displayed in a cointainer multiplied by 2 or by the numbwr of pretzels insiede each cointainer, or for instance on the cointainer was displayed the number of a certain ingredient and one needed to recover the fat(that must be recovered)?yesish--the fat content is irrelevant thoughWas the initial intention to put the same quantity on both cointainers? initial intention at the pretzel factory? Yes, but you still have an FA. Remember, there are only two containers relevant in the ENTIRE puzzle.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:00 pm

So, participant had a container each, but they needed to guess a number related to the ingredients of two containers?Or the two relevant containers are the ones whose ingredients were wrongly multiplied?
Or again, did the quantity refer just to one container and a multiplication should be done to extend it to all containers?Did each participant have a quantity referring just on his/her container, printed on it?
Ok so, ingredient...to be sure: ingredient = a substance used to prepare the pretzels?Is the number to guess directly related to pretzels?To containers?not really an expert of pretzels, but I'll try: I suppose they could contain flour?yeast?Beer?Butter?Eggs?Rock salt?
Is the ingredient itself relevant or something related to it such as expiration date?Allergies (for instance the girl checked the quantity of the ingredient because she was allergic to it)?Timing (for instance time to cook one pretzel...)Nutritional values?

I cannot see the "luck component" on the scheme: if everybody was able to see the component that should be multiplied in order to get the guess, the guess concerned: the fact that they (participants) were not aware of the total number of participants? the fact that they don't know which "ingredient" should be multiplied by the number of participants?That the "ingredient" to be multiplied was a difficult number to be multiplied (assuming they could not use smartphones or calculators of any sort, right?)?A specific characteristic of the "ingredient", such as they needed also to know the average expiration time?Do participants need to do an average?A multiplication?Just guess?Did the girl have a particular containerThe other one was in possession of judges?Did the two container have the same quantity of the ingredient which was different with respect to other containers??Is her container one of the two relevant containers?Like others?Did she just guess the number?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:50 pm

So, participant had a container each, but they needed to guess a number related to the ingredients of two containers?noOr the two relevant containers are the ones whose ingredients were wrongly multiplied?no
Or again, did the quantity refer just to one container yes and a multiplication should be done to extend it to all containers?noDid each participant have a quantity referring just on his/her container, printed on it? no, FA
Ok so, ingredient...to be sure: ingredient = a substance used to prepare the pretzels?OK. By that definition, no "ingredients" were relevant in the game.Is the number to guess directly related to pretzels?yesTo containers?not really an expert of pretzels, but I'll try: I suppose they could contain flour?yeast?Beer?Butter?Eggs?Rock salt? irrelevant; assume they were normal pretzels.
Is the ingredient itself relevant or something related to it such as expiration date?noAllergies (for instance the girl checked the quantity of the ingredient because she was allergic to it)?YES!Timing (for instance time to cook one pretzel...)Nutritional values? no

I cannot see the "luck component" on the scheme: if everybody was able to see the component that should be multiplied in order to get the guess, the guess concerned: the fact that they (participants) were not aware of the total number of participants? No, FA the fact that they don't know which "ingredient" should be multiplied by the number of participants?no, FAThat the "ingredient" to be multiplied was a difficult number to be multiplied (assuming they could not use smartphones or calculators of any sort, right?)?noA specific characteristic of the "ingredient", such as they needed also to know the average expiration time?noDo participants need to do an average?noA multiplication?noJust guess?YESDid the girl have a particular containeryopeThe other one was in possession of judges?noish, but one container was in the possession of the judges, yesDid the two container have the same quantity of the ingredient which was different with respect to other containers??as I said, there are only two relevant containers.Is her container one of the two relevant containers?yesLike others?what others?Did she just guess the number? yes
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:58 am

Were the containers given to participants by organizers?Did they bring containers by themselves?
Any other physical/medical characteristic of the girl relevant (for instance she was blind, color-blind or whatsoever)?Is the only relevant thing about her allergy the fact that she checked the quantity of "ingredient" at the end of the game?Or that she was given/she took a different package with respect to other participants?Does her allergy refer to a particular material of the container?To a particular ingredient of pretzels that was present/not present (for instance calling the relevant quantity x an advertising like: with n% of x less?)?Symptoms relevant?

So, participants opened the containers: do they need to taste pretzels?touch them?Smell them?Just see them?

Number to guess directly related to pretzels and not displayed on the container: is the shape of pretzels relevant?The holes they have?Price of them?Barcode?Discounts relevant?

Her container was one of the two relevant: Did it have a relevant shape?Did her container have a particular characteristic that the ones of other participants did not have?If yes, due to her allergy?Due to a printing error?Was it transparent so that pretzels could be seen?Is the other relevant container the one she checked in the store?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:17 pm

Were the containers given to participants by organizers?noish, FADid they bring containers by themselves? no
Any other physical/medical characteristic of the girl relevant (for instance she was blind, color-blind or whatsoever)?no, only the allergyIs the only relevant thing about her allergy the fact that she checked the quantity of "ingredient" at the end of the game?not immediately at the end of the gameOr that she was given/she took a different package with respect to other participants?no, FADoes her allergy refer to a particular material of the container?noTo a particular ingredient of pretzels that was present/not present (for instance calling the relevant quantity x an advertising like: with n% of x less?)?yes, it was NOT presentSymptoms relevant?no

So, participants opened the containers: no do they need to taste pretzels?touch them?Smell them?Just see them? just see them, no to rest

Number to guess directly related to pretzels and not displayed on the container: is the shape of pretzels relevant?The holes they have?Price of them?Barcode?Discounts relevant? no to all

Her container was one of the two relevant: Did it have a relevant shape?not especially, but it's a jarDid her container have a particular characteristic that the ones of other participants did not have?FA--remember that there are only two containers. Her container does, however, have a characteristic that the other container involved in the puzzle does not haveIf yes, due to her allergy?noDue to a printing error?noWas it transparent so that pretzels could be seen?yes, both were, but hers was more transparent in a way.Is the other relevant container the one she checked in the store? YES.
HINT/RECAP: There are exactly two jars of pretzels, which might as well be the only two jars in existence for the purposes of the puzzle. One of these jars (call it Jar A) is sitting on the shelf in the store for the entire duration of the puzzle, and never changes or opens relevantly (other than the girl might pick it up to read the label). The other jar (Jar B) is in the possession of the girl at the end of the puzzle, but its ownership and physical characteristics have changed in a relevant way during the time that the puzzle takes place. The girl won Jar B in a game that involves guessing a number, but the organizer made a multiplication error that led to the girl winning Jar B when she wasn't supposed to. Later, she entered the store and found Jar A sitting on the shelf. (Assume that she knew they sold this brand of pretzel jars there.) She left the store happier, despite the fact that she realized the mathematical error that was made by the organizer, and therefore realized that Jar B is not rightfully hers. She has a relevant allergy to something that is NOT in the pretzels. Both jars were identical at the beginning of the puzzle, but Jar B changes physically at some point. Neither jar is ever opened (although Jar B will almost certainly be opened at some point in the future).

What's left to figure out:

-what the object of the game was
-what the relevant physical change to Jar B was
-what the multiplication error was (i.e. what numbers the organizer failed to multiply properly)
-why the girl entered the store
-what information she looked at on Jar A in the store
-why she left the store happier, despite realizing she didn'd deserve what she had
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Acridian9 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:44 pm

Did jar B have a label? If not, was it removed in order to play the game? Is this the "physical change"?

Did she leave the store happier because she read in jar A's label that the pretzels didn't contain what she's allergic to? So that she could freely eat them?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:58 pm

Did jar B have a label? Yes, at one point. If not, was it removed in order to play the game? Yes! Is this the "physical change"? Yes.

Did she leave the store happier because she read in jar A's label that the pretzels didn't contain what she's allergic to? So that she could freely eat them? Yes to both! It's not really relevant what exactly she was allergic to--assume it was peanuts and she was worried there might be trace amounts.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Acridian9 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:01 pm

Numer to guess: number of pretzels? in the jar? or in a certain number of jars? number of jars? number of ingredients? a weight? a length? a volume?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:18 pm

Numer to guess: number of pretzels? yes! in the jar? yes! or in a certain number of jars? number of jars? number of ingredients? a weight? a length? a volume? no to rest. You're very close to a solution. Now there is only one piece of information left to figure out.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:55 am

Mathematical error: concerning the total number of pretzels?For instance was there written on the label: n pretzels for m grams or the other way round(m grams for n pretzels)
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:02 pm

Mathematical error: concerning the total number of pretzels?yesFor instance was there written on the label: n pretzels for m grams or the other way round(m grams for n pretzels) not quite, but OTRT
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:35 pm

diameter of each pretzel? grams/other related measures relevant?
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:38 pm

diameter of each pretzel? grams/other related measures relevant? no to both. There's a piece of "nutrition facts" info that hasn't been mentioned yet.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:24 pm

vitamin?Calories?Carbohydrates?Fat?Chemical elements (iron, magnesium and so on)?Vitamins?Proteins?Dietary fibers? were nutritional facts for n pretzels?Was the total of the specific nutritional fact specified on the label? For example: 200 calories for 20 pretzels and on the other side of the label it was written the total amount of calories (I mean for the entire jar)
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error

Postby hominid » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:12 am

vitamin?Calories?Carbohydrates?Fat?Chemical elements (iron, magnesium and so on)?Vitamins?Proteins?Dietary fibers? were nutritional facts for n pretzels?Was the total of the specific nutritional fact specified on the label? For example: 200 calories for 20 pretzels and on the other side of the label it was written the total amount of calories (I mean for the entire jar) no to all, but the last one is close enough for a...

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A large contest was held to see who could guess how many pretzels were in a jar. The prize was the jar of pretzels itself. The organizer, not wanting to touch the individual pretzels of course, instead made an approximation based on the number of pretzels per serving and the number of servings per container. Unfortunately, the organizer made a mistake in the multiplication, finding a vastly different number from the correct one. He then ripped the label off so that the participants in the contest couldn't make the calculation themselves. A girl entered the contest and guessed a number very close to the organizer's miscalculation, thereby winning the jar of pretzels. After she won, she went to a store to find the same brand of pretzels, to find out whether they contained anything she was allergic to. They didn't, but out of curiosity, she looked at another part of the label and found that the numbers didn't multiply the way they were supposed to, and inevitably someone must have gotten it closer than she did. She therefore left the store happy that she could eat the pretzels without having an allergic reaction, but she realized that she was not actually the rightful winner of the contest.

Great job Earnest and Acridian9! Sorry if any of my answers were confusing.
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error [SOLVED]

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:47 am

Very nice hominid! Thank you.

No confusing answer, it was a great puzzle!
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error [SOLVED]

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:38 am

Nice puzzle!
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Re: [Hominid] Mathematical error [CORRECTLY GUESSED]

Postby hominid » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:53 pm

Thanks, folks!
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