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[IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:27 pm

Jack decided that they would never discuss the eight men, and everyone agreed. However, they continued constantly mentioning one of the eight. Which one?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:32 pm

Eight men: H? A? M? Real humans inhabiting the same universe as "them"? Alive at the time of the puzzle? Is a game relevant? Chess? Playing cards? Is Jack H? A? M? Are "they"? Relevant how many "they" are? Relevnt why they agreed not do discuss the men? Had something criminal taken place? Something scary? Supernatural? Is there a relevant secret that must not be divulged? Is there a story that most would believe was false? Are any of the eight men part of "them"?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:44 pm

discuss the eight men = they won't discuss about the eight men's action? hey won't talk about the eight men no more? Ever? For a limited period of time? One day? One week?One year?More?

they continued constantly mentioning one of the eight = they couldn't stop talking about him? Was it possible for them to avoid talking about one of the men? Is the men part of them? Constantly = in each sentence? Even if they didn't want?

Is it relevant that jack took the decision? Could anyone else take the same decision? Could everyone else speak? Did they speak one per time? All together? Was there a order in speaking? Relevant where the decision was taken? In a house? In a pub? Outside a building?Inside a building? Is a relevant decision going to be taken? Is there a relevant advantage of not talking about the eight men? A profit? Not being discovered? Not being captured?
Would something negative happen if they talked about two men?Three men?Four?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:47 pm

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Eight men: H? A? M? Yep. Real humans inhabiting the same universe as "them"? Yes, but maybe something to explore here. Alive at the time of the puzzle? Yes for some, no for others. Is a game relevant? No. Chess? Playing cards?

Is Jack H? A? M? Yes. Are "they"? H/A/Mixed genders. Relevant how many "they" are? No, but might help. Relevant why they agreed not to discuss the men? Extremely.

Had something criminal taken place? Something scary? Supernatural? Is there a relevant secret that must not be divulged? No to all. Is there a story that most would believe was false? Not sure what sense you mean this in, but I'll say Yesish. Are any of the eight men part of "them"? No.


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discuss the eight men = they won't discuss about the eight men's action? In part, yes. They won't talk about the eight men no more? Not exactly. Ever? For a limited period of time? One day? One week?One year?More? For over a year, but there is some more specificity than that.

they continued constantly mentioning one of the eight = they couldn't stop talking about him? Yope. Was it possible for them to avoid talking about one of the men? Possible, but difficult. Is the men part of them? No.
Constantly = in each sentence? No. Even if they didn't want? No, it's voluntary.

Is it relevant that jack took the decision? Sort of, it might help you. Could anyone else take the same decision? He would be the one. Could everyone else speak? Yes. Did they speak one per time? In this context, yes. All together? Possibly, sometimes. Was there a order in speaking? Interesting question. I'll say yesish and explore.
Relevant where the decision was taken? Yesish. In a house? In a pub? Outside a building?Inside a building? Could be in several places, in a building more likely. Is a relevant decision going to be taken? No. Is there a relevant advantage of not talking about the eight men? Yes. A profit? Not being discovered? Not being captured? No to rest.
Would something negative happen if they talked about two men?Three men?Four? There is a consequence that grows in likelihood the more times the men are mentioned.


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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Westing1992 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:41 am

Do they mention the one man directly? In a roundabout manner? Unintentionally (due to perhaps his name having another meaning)? Did they not know he was one of the eight?
Did Jack and the others know the eight men personally?
Would we know any of the eight?
Did the eight men do something related to business? Politics? The arts? Sports? Science? Exploration?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby hominid » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:18 am

Is Jack the leader of the group ("they")? Is he a member of it? Are they each other's...friends? Acquaintances? Enemies? Coworkers? Family? Club members? Strangers? You said it would help to know how many there are: 2? 3? 4? 5-10? 11-20? 21-30? 31-100? 101-1000? More than 1000?

If they discussed the eight men, would something bad happen? Death? Illness? Injury? Loss of money? Destruction? Would it simply be impolite to mention them?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:05 am

Is a homophone relevant? Is the name of the still-talked-about man relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:01 am

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Time and place relevant?Ancient time?Far west?Modern times?WWI?WWII?Europe?America?Asia?Australia?

Is this a sort of assembly?A formal one?Are other relevant decisions taken the same day?
Are the eight men enemies to "them"?Friends?Relatives?Was their relation to the eight men a professional relation?Did the eight men work for them?Or the other way round?

Could the eight men hear what they were saying? Is there a specific consequence in calling them by name? Surname? Or just in generally discussing about them? Would discuss about them provoke confusion?Other discussions?Impede to the assembly to continue?Did they suspect that one of the eight was between them?Were the eight man present when they discussed?Were the eight men prisoners?
Was jack a leader of a community?Of a team?Of a village?A priest?

Is it relevant that they were eight? Don't know why but I need to ask...is the film the "Hateful eight" relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:52 pm

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Do they mention the one man directly? No. In a roundabout manner? Yes.Unintentionally (due to perhaps his name having another meaning)? Yope. Did they not know he was one of the eight? No, they know.
Did Jack and the others know the eight men personally? No.
Would we know any of the eight? Yes.
Did the eight men do something related to business? Politics? This. The arts? Sports? Science? Exploration?


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Is Jack the leader of the group ("they")? Yes. Is he a member of it? And yes. Are they each other's...friends? Acquaintances? Enemies? Coworkers? Primarily this. Family? Club members? Strangers?
You said it would help to know how many there are: To figure out the situation, yes. 2? 3? 4? 5-10? 11-20? 21-30? 31-100? The full group would be around here. 101-1000? More than 1000?

If they discussed the eight men, would something bad happen? Possibly, or at least undesirable. Death? Illness? Injury? Loss of money? Destruction? Would it simply be impolite to mention them? No to rest.


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Is a homophone relevant? No. Is the name of the still-talked-about man relevant? It's the answer. =)


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Time and place relevant? Yes. Ancient time? No. Far west? Not sure what you mean. Not the west as in cowboys, no. Modern times? Yesish. WWI?WWII? After these.
Europe?America? This. Asia?Australia?

Is this a sort of assembly? In a sense. A formal one? DOYD, they are gathered for a specific purpose. Are other relevant decisions taken the same day? Yesish, possible FA.
Are the eight men enemies to "them"?Friends?Relatives? No to all. Was their relation to the eight men a professional relation? I'll say noish, but both groups' jobs are involved. Did the eight men work for them?Or the other way round? Neither (except in a very vague sense that will only mislead).

Could the eight men hear what they were saying? No. Is there a specific consequence in calling them by name? Surname? Or just in generally discussing about them? Yes, this. Would discuss about them provoke confusion? YES, good question.
Other discussions? Possibly. Impede to the assembly to continue? Did they suspect that one of the eight was between them? Were the eight man present when they discussed? Were the eight men prisoners? No to rest.
Was jack a leader of a community?Of a team? In a sense. Of a village?A priest? No to rest.

Is it relevant that they were eight? Not especially relevant to the solution, but there is a reason.
Don't know why but I need to ask...is the film the "Hateful eight" relevant? :mrgreen: No.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby hominid » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:29 pm

America=US?

Are the eight men politicians? US politicians? Presidents? Vice Presidents? Governors? Senators? Representatives? State legislators? Members of the judicial branch? Cabinet members? Diplomats?

Are Jack and the rest of the group people we would know? Are they politicians? Occupation relevant?

Did it take place 1945-1960? 1961-1980? 1981-2000? 2001-present?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:03 am

Relevant how "they" agreed? Did they agree by show of hands?By voting?By speaking?Other means?Did they unanimously agree?Or someone wanted to discuss about them?

Is that a tribunal and Jack was the judge? Or a Parliament?Is a relevant scandal occurred (Watergate, impeachments of sort?)? A part of "them"(the 100 people) were there other people present?Such as journalists?Cameramen?An audience?Was the "assembly" televised?Or was it a secret assembly?

Did the name constantly mentioned have a double meaning?Connected to politics?To a common word?If so, is it commonly pronounced by people?Was it used in this forum?In this post?In this puzzle?Or has the word a specific meaning?Used just in the specific context of the puzzle?

Did the eight men commit a crime?Did they corrupt someone?Did they do something illegal?Was it an investigation? Would discuss about the eight men create confusion in the sense that it would prevent to discuss about the topics for which the assembly was called(I suppose the assembly was called. Or was it a spontaneous one?)?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:53 am

hominid

America=US? Yes.

Are the eight men politicians? US politicians? Presidents? This. Vice Presidents? Governors? Senators? Representatives? State legislators? Members of the judicial branch? Cabinet members? Diplomats?

Are Jack and the rest of the group people we would know? Some would, some wouldn't. Are they politicians? No. Occupation relevant? Yes.

Did it take place 1945-1960? 1961-1980? 1981-2000? This. 2001-present?


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Relevant how "they" agreed? Somewhat. Did they agree by show of hands?By voting?By speaking? This was likely involved. Other means?Did they unanimously agree?Or someone wanted to discuss about them? I believe unanimous--irr.

Is that a tribunal and Jack was the judge? Or a Parliament?Is a relevant scandal occurred (Watergate, impeachments of sort?)? No to all.
A part of "them"(the 100 people) were there other people present? Not at the time of Jack's decision. Such as journalists? No. Cameramen? Likely not at the time of the decision. An audience? Ditto. Was the "assembly" televised? Not at the time of Jack's decision, no. Or was it a secret assembly? No.
The word "assembly" might be throwing you off--I took it only in terms of 'a group of people gathered together.'


Did the name constantly mentioned have a double meaning? Not exactly, but OTRT. Connected to politics? No. To a common word? No. If so, is it commonly pronounced by people?
Was it used in this forum? On the LTPF before, ever? Yes. In this post? No. In this puzzle? No.
Or has the word a specific meaning? Used just in the specific context of the puzzle? People other than Jack and they could also use the name to mean the same thing(s).

Did the eight men commit a crime? Did they corrupt someone?Did they do something illegal? Not relevantly.
Was it an investigation? No.Would discuss about the eight men create confusion in the sense that it would prevent to discuss about the topics for which the assembly was called Not really. (I suppose the assembly was called. Or was it a spontaneous one?)? It was 'called' in the sense that they are all supposed to be there.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:55 pm

is John a fictitious name? Were the eight presidents of: USA? A party? Were the eight part of the same faction?formation?Presidents of an institution?Did the eight act together?Separately?Were the eight presidents of foreign countries? Is a specific historic event relevant? cold war? A war?Economic crisis (dot.com)?Were the eight relevantly portrayed/represented somewhere?On money?On books?Collecting relevant?Education?Morality?

Some of the eight were not alive at puzzle's time: were they killed?In a war?did they die for natural causes?Old age?Relevant? Were the eight considered part of a recent past?Of an historical phase/era?Would their names said together generate confusion because of: hate, admiration, fear, criticism, concern, anger, resentment?

Did the discussion take place in the USA? Were the eight (the eight themselves or their body) all present in the USA at the moment of the discussion?

Did they all talk the same language?Is the occupation of "they" related to: selling something?Goods?Services? Advertising? mass media? Banks? Public institutions?Were they part of military forces?Justice? Economy in general?Were they part of the same institution/firm/other?

They agreed to not discuss about them for over a year: does this decision implies also not writing about them?In journals?Not talking about them in televisions? Was the decision taken because the eight were: respected? Hated?To leave them alone?Let the eight live in peace? Did the decision have consequences also for the relatives of the eight?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:30 pm

Earnest

is John a fictitious name? He didn't make up a name, no. (I did for the puzzle though.)
Were the eight presidents of: USA? Yes. A party? Were the eight part of the same faction?formation?Presidents of an institution? No to rest. Did the eight act together? Not relevantly. Separately? Were the eight presidents of foreign countries?
Is a specific historic event relevant? No. cold war? A war?Economic crisis (dot.com)?
Were the eight relevantly portrayed/represented somewhere? NO, but explore. On money?On books?Collecting relevant?Education?Morality? No to rest.

Some of the eight were not alive at puzzle's time: were they killed? One was. In a war? No. did they die for natural causes?Old age? Yes, two. Relevant? Not really, might help.
Were the eight considered part of a recent past? Yes. Of an historical phase/era? Yesish. Would their names said together generate confusion because of: hate, admiration, fear, criticism, concern, anger, resentment? Possibly criticism. No to rest, and FA.

Did the discussion take place in the USA? Yes. Were the eight (the eight themselves or their body) all present in the USA at the moment of the discussion? Yes.

Did they all talk the same language? Yes. Is the occupation of "they" related to: selling something?Goods?Services? Advertising? mass media? Yes. Banks? Public institutions?Were they part of military forces?Justice? Economy in general? No to rest. Were they part of the same institution/firm/other? Yes.

They agreed to not discuss about them for over a year: does this decision implies also not writing about them? Definitely yes. In journals? No. Not talking about them in televisions? YES.
Was the decision taken because the eight were: respected? Hated?To leave them alone?Let the eight live in peace? No to all.
Did the decision have consequences also for the relatives of the eight? Good question. I believe the relatives of the eight would also not be discussed.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby hominid » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:39 am

So the group of people were TV announcers? News announcers?

Can we invoke the LTPF list of US Presidents? Is the similarity in names of John Adams and John Quincy Adams relevant? George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush (even though this was before the latter was President)?

Did this take place during Carter's presidency? Reagan's? Bush Sr.'s? Clinton's? I'm using those to narrow down the time frame, but is who the incumbent President was relevant? Are any of them among the eight men? Are any future Presidents (the above if applicable, plus Bush Jr., Obama, Trump) relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:45 am

Was the name they could not avoid to say a name or a surname? Like Bill for instance? Is the name that they could not avoid to say connected to a brand? Like Ford? To the name of a firm? To a common name?(Carter, bush) Or couldn't they stop mentioning one of the names because it was homonym to another relevant person? Or again because of its usage as a synonym of another term in mass media jargon?

Is the US president they were not able to stop mentioning dead? Still alive?
Did the eight have something in common? Such as they were all elected in particular circumstances?Did they approve relevant laws?Something related to their activities of Presidents?"Post-Presidential" activities?Where they were born?Their images?Or because of an electoral campaign?Was the reason why they stop talking about them the same for all the eight?
Did mass media decide not to talk also about other topics relevantly?Topics related to politics?Were them influenced by opposite political forces?Or was it an independent decision by mass media?Did they stop talking about them all over USA or just in some States/cities?Was there a relevant advantage for them not to talk about the eight president?Does this allow them to talk about other Presidents?Other topics?Did mass media want to cover something?Promote someone?Something?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Westing1992 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:54 pm

Are they presidents whose depictions are on US currency?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:31 am

hominid

So the group of people were TV announcers? No. News announcers? No.

Can we invoke the LTPF list of US Presidents? If you really want to...but I believe in your ability to figure it out laterally. =)
Is the similarity in names of John Adams and John Quincy Adams relevant? George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush (even though this was before the latter was President)? No to both.

Did this take place during Carter's presidency? Reagan's? Bush Sr.'s? Clinton's? This. I'm using those to narrow down the time frame, but is who the incumbent President was relevant? Not specifically, but... Are any of them among the eight men? Yes, they all are! Are any future Presidents (the above if applicable, plus Bush Jr., Obama, Trump) relevant? Hm. Not for the way I've phrased the puzzle, BUT when elected, they would join the eight.


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Was the name they could not avoid to say a name or a surname? Surname. Like Bill for instance? Is the name that they could not avoid to say connected to a brand? Like Ford? To the name of a firm? To a common name?(Carter, bush) No to all, but OTRT. Or couldn't they stop mentioning one of the names because it was homonym to another relevant person? No. Or again because of its usage as a synonym of another term in mass media jargon? No.

Is the US president they were not able to stop mentioning dead? Still alive? Dead.
Did the eight have something in common? Yope. Such as they were all elected in particular circumstances?Did they approve relevant laws?Something related to their activities of Presidents?"Post-Presidential" activities?Where they were born?Their images?Or because of an electoral campaign? No to all. Was the reason why they stop talking about them the same for all the eight? Yes.
Did mass media decide not to talk also about other topics relevantly? Probably, FA lurking. Topics related to politics? Yes. This is not really relevant, but I'm pretty certain they avoided other topics too. Were them influenced by opposite political forces? No. Or was it an independent decision by mass media? By Jack, yes. Did they stop talking about them all over USA or just in some States/cities? Hard to answer. Was there a relevant advantage for them not to talk about the eight president? Yes. Does this allow them to talk about other Presidents? Yesish, explore. Other topics? Possibly. Did mass media want to cover something?Promote someone?Something? No to rest, same FA lurking.


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Are they presidents whose depictions are on US currency? No. I think only one of the eight is.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby hominid » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:27 pm

Are they simply the eight most recent Presidents at the time? Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton? Was the one they couldn't stop mentioning Kennedy? Johnson? Nixon?

Kennedy assassination relevant?

So the group works in mass media: are they executives? Producers? Are they involved in newspapers? Magazines? Radio? TV? News websites (I know those barely existed at that point)?

Were they attepting to portray or describe something historical that happened around 1960 or so?
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Postby Earnest » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:55 pm

I am not american, so, sorry if I'm going to manifest my ignorance...anyway...is the something they have in common related to their private life?First lady?To their establishment in the White House?To their appearance?To some politics against/in favor of mass media? Was it a sort of protest?To some of their political actions in general?Were they all born in a specific period?In a period characterized by historic events?Did they all participate to an event?A war?WWI?WWII?

Was it necessary to stop talking about them? They decide not to discuss about them for over a year: did Jack take the decision because a certain event took place in that period?Did other countries relevantly took the same decision?

Not to discuss about them = not mention their names/surnames or not to mention their actions/careers? In all the programs?Just in some tv programs/shows?Was the latter decision taken just for certain hours of the day?Relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:34 pm

hominid

Are they simply the eight most recent Presidents at the time? Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton? Correct! Was the one they couldn't stop mentioning Kennedy? Yes! Johnson? Nixon?

Kennedy assassination relevant? No.

So the group works in mass media: are they executives? Producers? Some are. Are they involved in newspapers? Magazines? Radio? TV? This. News websites (I know those barely existed at that point)?

Were they attempting to portray or describe something historical that happened around 1960 or so? No.


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I am not american, so, sorry if I'm going to manifest my ignorance...anyway... No problem. Googling is encouraged.
is the something they have in common related to their private life?First lady?To their establishment in the White House?To their appearance?To some politics against/in favor of mass media? Was it a sort of protest?To some of their political actions in general?Were they all born in a specific period? In a period characterized by historic events? Thisish, see above. Did they all participate to an event?A war?WWI?WWII?

Was it necessary to stop talking about them? No, but a good idea to. They decide not to discuss about them for over a year: did Jack take the decision because a certain event took place in that period? Noish. Did other countries relevantly took the same decision? No.

Not to discuss about them = not mention their names/surnames or not to mention their actions/careers? Both. In all the programs? No. Just in some tv programs/shows? Yesish. Was the latter decision taken just for certain hours of the day? Not particularly. Relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:48 pm

So they could mention any President from Washington to Eisenhower, but nobody after that? Is some event that happened during Eisenhower's presidency relevant? Kennedy's presidency?

Did they mention Kennedy as "Kennedy"? "Jack Kennedy"? "John F. Kennedy"? "John Kennedy"? "John Fitzgerald Kennedy"? "John"? "Jack"? "JFK"? Any other Kennedys relevant? Were they mentioning him in the context of his presidency? His earlier life?

Relevant that his name is Jack?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:01 pm

I'll try to guess it without googling... :SSS

yeah same idea of hominid...could they not avoid to mention Kennedy inside the place where they discuss? Or in television?

Was there a tv show, channel that was called JFK? Something like that?A presenter?A tv star?

Was stop talking about them a good idea to: stop criticisms agains US policy? Make people forget something? Not creating recorded "tapes" that other nations could use to criticize USA somehow?Not give information? Did they do it in order not to display pictures/images of the eight presidents? Was it made to make people ask themselves the reason why they stop talking about the presidents? Was it made for advertising? Because something was going to happen? Was happening?Maybe they stop discussing about them in TV but not in newspapers?

Monica Lewinsky relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:22 pm

hominid

So they could mention any President from Washington to Eisenhower, but nobody after that? Yes. Is some event that happened during Eisenhower's presidency relevant? Kennedy's presidency? No to both.

Did they mention Kennedy as "Kennedy"? Yes indeed. "Jack Kennedy"? "John F. Kennedy"? "John Kennedy"? "John Fitzgerald Kennedy"? "John"? "Jack"? "JFK"? Any other Kennedys relevant? Were they mentioning him in the context of his presidency? His earlier life? No to rest.

Relevant that his name is Jack? No.


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I'll try to guess it without googling... :SSS I think it's possible to at least get very close with no specific knowledge. ^^

yeah same idea of hominid...could they not avoid to mention Kennedy inside the place where they discuss? Not relevantly. Or in television? YES.

Was there a tv show, channel that was called JFK? Something like that?A presenter?A tv star? No to all, good guess.

Was stop talking about them a good idea to: stop criticisms against US policy? No.Make people forget something? Yesish. Not creating recorded "tapes" that other nations could use to criticize USA somehow? Not give information? Did they do it in order not to display pictures/images of the eight presidents? No to all.Was it made to make people ask themselves the reason why they stop talking about the presidents? Definitely not.Was it made for advertising? Because something was going to happen? Was happening? No to these. Maybe they stop discussing about them in TV but not in newspapers? Yes, newspapers were not affected. Possible FA lurking.

Monica Lewinsky relevant? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:44 pm

weren't they able to stop talking about Kennedy in all channels?
Is Kennedy mentioned as president kennedy? Or is a set of words that said together sounds like kennedy? Is the word kennedy they couldn't avoid to mention in TV written exactly as "Kennedy"? Do they mention the president's actions? Or just their surname?

Was there a case of similar surnames? Like Canady? Is another public person relevant who share the same surname of the president? A similar one?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:54 pm

Not talking about them just in TVs: is it something related to TV themselves more than with Presidents? was it a good idea to avoid certain types of programs? (such as talkshows) To avoid something?To avoid that someone is invited in transmissions? Or was it a good idea to allow something? To stop talking about recent politic environment?

Something they do not have in common: they do not participate to a war? Were the mass media in favor of a war and wanted to highlight how the major part of US Presidents have taken part to a war? Something like that?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:12 pm

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weren't they able to stop talking about Kennedy in all channels? No.
Is Kennedy mentioned as president kennedy? No. Or is a set of words that said together sounds like kennedy? No. Is the word kennedy they couldn't avoid to mention in TV written exactly as "Kennedy"? Yes. Do they mention the president's actions? No. Or just their surname? Yope.

Was there a case of similar surnames? Like Canady? Is another public person relevant who share the same surname of the president? A similar one? No to all.

Not talking about them just in TVs: is it something related to TV themselves more than with Presidents? Hard to answer; it's related to both. was it a good idea to avoid certain types of programs? (such as talkshows) No. To avoid something? To avoid that someone is invited in transmissions? Or was it a good idea to allow something? If I understand your questions right, no to all. To stop talking about recent politic environment? Yes.

Something they do not have in common: they do not participate to a war? No. What they have in common is that they were the eight most recent presidents at the time. Were the mass media in favor of a war and wanted to highlight how the major part of US Presidents have taken part to a war? Something like that? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Grip » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:46 am

Is the movie "A Few Good Men" relevant? the making of it?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:39 am

is the word "kennedy" a password? A relevant word? A word related to a public place?An airport?Hospital?An association? Space center?NASA's sonde? Couldn't they stop avoid talking about Kennedy in TV news?Was a building/a public place relevantly entitled to Kennedy?
kennedy wasn't mentioned as "President" right? So was the word "Kennedy" associated to a man? A building? An object? A TV news/TV channel/TV related item? Was it mentioned as related to something about which TV were not able to stop talking? If they stopped talking about "kennedy" would audience relevantly decrease? Increase? If they hadn't stop talking about the eight presidents would the audience decrease?increase?Did they stop talking about them because of audience? Public demand? Because they noticed something in the habits of people? For instance they noticed that people tend to change channel when politic was the topic?Did they notice that it wasn't convenient to talk about politics? In absolute? Just in certain parts of the day? Did they make a research? Patriotism relevant?

History of mass media relevant? Is it relevant that Clinton was in charge for eight years (I googled this)? Was a choice among the eight presidents in ac (for instance it must be chosen which one of the recent presidents should be represented somewhere)t?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:30 pm

Grip

Is the movie "A Few Good Men" relevant? Not exactly relevant, but related. the making of it? No.


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is the word "kennedy" a password? No. A relevant word? In what sense? It's relevant to the puzzle. A word related to a public place? YES. An airport?Hospital?An association? Space center?NASA's sonde? No to rest. Couldn't they stop avoid talking about Kennedy in TV news? No. Was a building/a public place relevantly entitled to Kennedy? Yes.

kennedy wasn't mentioned as "President" right? Correct. So was the word "Kennedy" associated to a man? A building? This. An object? A TV news/TV channel/TV related item?
Was it mentioned as related to something about which TV were not able to stop talking? Yesish, you still have an FA lurking. If they stopped talking about "kennedy" would audience relevantly decrease? Increase? Likely neither. If they hadn't stop talking about the eight presidents would the audience decrease? Possibly, or possibly not. increase? No.
Did they stop talking about them because of audience? Public demand? Because they noticed something in the habits of people? For instance they noticed that people tend to change channel when politic was the topic?Did they notice that it wasn't convenient to talk about politics? In absolute? Just in certain parts of the day? Did they make a research? Patriotism relevant? No to all.

History of mass media relevant? No. Is it relevant that Clinton was in charge for eight years (I googled this)? No. Was a choice among the eight presidents in ac (for instance it must be chosen which one of the recent presidents should be represented somewhere)t? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:11 pm

Again...sorry if I am going to say something completely wrong...did they show relevant images of the Kennedy building? Is it connected to sport events? Like a stadium...Did they talk about it almost every day? For specific events? (for instance Super Bowl)...or is kennedy a shopping mall maybe?

If one of my guesses is correct do we need just to figure out the reason why they stop talking about the eight Presidents?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:30 pm

When the next president takes office, would the agreement continue or stop? If continue, would it still be for the most recent eight presidents, or the most recent nine presidents now? Or would the agreement have stopped before the next president takes office anyway?

Is Jack and them a relevantly special subset of the mass media?

Is the Kennedy Space Center or Kennedy Airport relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Grip » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:49 pm

Is Jack a head of a network?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:31 pm

Earnest

Again...sorry if I am going to say something completely wrong... No worries, you're doing great. did they show relevant images of the Kennedy building? Sometimes. Is it connected to sport events? Like a stadium... No. Did they talk about it almost every day? No. For specific events? Yes. (for instance Super Bowl)...or is kennedy a shopping mall maybe? No.

If one of my guesses is correct do we need just to figure out the reason why they stop talking about the eight Presidents? This is the biggest thing left to find out.


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When the next president takes office, would the agreement continue or stop? Continue. If continue, would it still be for the most recent eight presidents, or the most recent nine presidents now? Nine =). Or would the agreement have stopped before the next president takes office anyway?

Is Jack and them a relevantly special subset of the mass media? Yes, and just in case we're having a definitional issue:
I take
mass media to mean anything communicated to a massive audience. Movies, radio, mass-published novels, etc. along with anything on TV are mass media.


Is the Kennedy Space Center or Kennedy Airport relevant? No.


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Is Jack a head of a network? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby hominid » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:27 am

Were they trying to avoid mentioning recent political events in general? Were they worried that their audience would be upset? That they might run into legal trouble? That less people would consume their media? That their media would be less accurate?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:14 am

did they mention Kennedy just during specific events because their mass media subset works just during those specific events? Are those specific events related to politics? Do they occur every years? Every month? Every week?

Specific subset:

1) Do they have a specific task? Are they relevantly displayed in TVs while doing their job?If so, for a long time (more than an hour)? For a short time (half an hour-one hour)?Less? Every day? Once/twice per week? Every month? Are they supposed to put subtitles in Tv news? weather forecasting? Tv news assistants (I think of those people who know finger alphabet)?

2)are they all part of some Tv shows? Are they comedians? comic actors? Is satire involved? Did they stop talking about president during their shows to avoid that all comedians repeat the same jokes? Something like that? Would stop talking about the presidents take advantages to all of them? Financial benefits? Benefits in terms of "audience"?



Do their work consist in producing "material" that is going to be shown in TVs (for instance producers/presenters and so on...)? Do they belong to the technical staff? And if they belong to the technical staff are they cameramen? Do they belong to a sort of union?

You said that talking about the presidents would have generated confusion...confusion in TV programs? Among people in general? Panic? confusion in schedules? Confusion in timing? confusion in the sense that many errors were made in the past talking about the presidents? Would they avoid talking about the presidents in order not to do embarrassing errors in talking about them? Was there a relevant law that favored the measure of stop talking about the eight Presidents?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:56 pm

hominid

Were they trying to avoid mentioning recent political events in general? Pretty much. Were they worried that their audience would be upset? Possibly. That they might run into legal trouble? No. That less people would consume their media? Possible but unlikely. That their media would be less accurate? Not "accurate" exactly but OTRT.


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did they mention Kennedy just during specific events because their mass media subset works just during those specific events? No, FAish. Are those specific events related to politics? Do they occur every years? Every month? Every week?

Specific subset:

1) Do they have a specific task? Yesish. Are they relevantly displayed in TVs while doing their job? Some are. If so, for a long time (more than an hour)? For a short time (half an hour-one hour)? About an hour.. Less? Every day? Once/twice per week? Weekly. Every month? Are they supposed to put subtitles in Tv news? weather forecasting? Tv news assistants (I think of those people who know finger alphabet)? No to rest, but interesting you should mention finger-spelling. I'll tell you why once you $olve =).

2)are they all part of some Tv shows? YES indeed. Are they comedians? comic actors? Is satire involved? It's sometimes comedic, but irr. Did they stop talking about president during their shows to avoid that all comedians repeat the same jokes? No. Something like that? Would stop talking about the presidents take advantages to all of them? Financial benefits? Benefits in terms of "audience"? A vague advantage related to audiences. No to rest.


Do their work consist in producing "material" that is going to be shown in TVs (for instance producers/presenters and so on...)? Some of them. Do they belong to the technical staff? And if they belong to the technical staff are they cameramen? Do they belong to a sort of union? No.

You said that talking about the presidents would have generated confusion...confusion in TV programs? Among people in general? Closest to this. Panic? confusion in schedules? Confusion in timing? confusion in the sense that many errors were made in the past talking about the presidents? No to rest.
Would they avoid talking about the presidents in order not to do embarrassing errors in talking about them? Noish, but an SVV of "error" might apply... Was there a relevant law that favored the measure of stop talking about the eight Presidents? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:02 am

interesting you should mention finger-spelling. I'll tell you why once you $olve =). So I hope soon xD

Was the TV show displayed outside USA? In Europe? Relevant? Is the TV show a fiction? Or was it something like "America's got talent", "Late Show with David Letterman"? Were some of the eight supposed to be guests? Did the show mainly concern: entertainment? History? Science? Various subjects? Was it a quiz? a talk show? a game show? Did someone win a prize in the show? Were there relevant guests?

Guess--> it was a quiz and most of the people participating, revealed to be "ignorant" about specific parts of USA's history. So they decided not to talk about presidents in order to avoid embarrassing errors from the competitors
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:11 pm

Were they just trying to stay politically neutral? Was their target audience expected to be confused or unknowledgeable about US politics or the US presidents? Are they playing a taboo-like gameshow?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:17 pm

Earnest

Was the TV show displayed outside USA? In Europe? Relevant? I don't think so, irr. Is the TV show a fiction? Yes.
Or was it something like "America's got talent", "Late Show with David Letterman"? Were some of the eight supposed to be guests? Did the show mainly concern: entertainment? History? Sometimes. Science? Various subjects? Was it a quiz? a talk show? a game show? Did someone win a prize in the show? Were there relevant guests? No to rest.

Guess--> it was a quiz and most of the people participating, revealed to be "ignorant" about specific parts of USA's history. So they decided not to talk about presidents in order to avoid embarrassing errors from the competitors Not this.



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Were they just trying to stay politically neutral? No. Was their target audience expected to be confused or unknowledgeable about US politics or the US presidents? No. Are they playing a taboo-like gameshow? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Grip » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:38 am

Was the TV show The West Wing?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:26 am

Did the fiction start in: list of years between 1990 and 2000. Before? Did the fiction take place in the building called Kennedy?Did they agree not to talk about the eight just in the fiction? If so, because of the nature of the fiction? For the topics covered by the fiction? For technical reasons?(such as historical delays on the color of clothes wore by some of the president who were always portrayed in black and whit? Something like that?I mean...they based themselves on historical pictures of presidents?)

Were the other eight presidents part of the fiction? Is one of the reason why they don't want to talk about the eight connected to the actors that played the role of the eight? For instance because they do not find actors that fit the role? Did the eight Presidents belong to the past with respect to the series? Or like in reality? Is the timing of the fiction coherent with the timing of reality? Is the plot? Or is it mainly invented? Relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:51 pm

Grip

Was the TV show The West Wing? Yes it was. =)


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Did the fiction start in: list of years between 1990 and 2000. 1999. Ish. Before? Did the fiction take place in the building called Kennedy? Noish. Did they agree not to talk about the eight just in the fiction? Yes. If so, because of the nature of the fiction? Yes. For the topics covered by the fiction? Yes. For technical reasons?(such as historical delays on the color of clothes wore by some of the president who were always portrayed in black and whit? Something like that?I mean...they based themselves on historical pictures of presidents?) No.

Were the other eight presidents part of the fiction? No. Is one of the reason why they don't want to talk about the eight connected to the actors that played the role of the eight? No. For instance because they do not find actors that fit the role? Did the eight Presidents belong to the past with respect to the series? No. Or like in reality? They are the real previous eight presidents. Is the timing of the fiction coherent with the timing of reality? Yope, explore. Is the plot? Yope. Or is it mainly invented? DOYD of "the timing of the show". Relevant? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:58 pm

well...was the series suspended for a year? did they stop talking about the eight president in the final season? In the initial one?In a season in the middle? Relevant?
Did they realize a spin-off during that year?
You said they stop talking of the eight for over a year...for a real year or for a year in the fiction?
Would talking about the eight confuse the plot? were there actors interpreting the eight? If so, did they take part to the fiction during the year in which it was decided not to mention them? Did the series always take place in the same place? Relevant?

coherent with the timing of reality...so was there a "discussion" about the eight presidents in reality? About their gestures as Presidents? About something for which it was a good idea not to mention the Presidents?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby Acridian9 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:46 pm

From what I recall of the show, it has fictional characters in a real setting.
So they can't discuss previous presidents since in the timeframe of the show the presidents had different names (if I remember correctly, a couple of former presidents are even present as characters in the show, with different names). Am I right?

Also, the Kennedy building should be a real one, right? Is it in Washington DC? Is it the Center for the Performing Arts? The Department of Justice?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men

Postby irishelk » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:20 pm

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well...was the series suspended for a year? No. did they stop talking about the eight president in the final season? In the initial one?In a season in the middle? Relevant? Throughout, with a few exceptions.
Did they realize a spin-off during that year? No.
You said they stop talking of the eight for over a year...for a real year or for a year in the fiction? Both.
Would talking about the eight confuse the plot? Noish. were there actors interpreting the eight? No. If so, did they take part to the fiction during the year in which it was decided not to mention them? Did the series always take place in the same place? Yesish. Relevant? The location is, yes.

coherent with the timing of reality...so was there a "discussion" about the eight presidents in reality? About their gestures as Presidents? About something for which it was a good idea not to mention the Presidents? No/irr.


Acridian9

From what I recall of the show, it has fictional characters in a real setting.
So they can't discuss previous presidents since in the timeframe of the show the presidents had different names (if I remember correctly, a couple of former presidents are even present as characters in the show, with different names). Am I right? Yesish, definitely close enough.

Also, the Kennedy building should be a real one, right? Is it in Washington DC? Is it the Center for the Performing Arts? You got it! The Department of Justice?

********************SPOILER

"Jack" is Aaron Sorkin, creator of
The West Wing, and "they" are his writers and cast. Sorkin never wanted the audience confused by questions like, is President Bartlett supposed to be Clinton? Bush? Did he come before Clinton? After? Therefore, he conceived it as happening in a different timeline where no recent presidential history had occurred. He arbitrarily picked Eisenhower as the most recent president they were allowed to mention, thus banning the (at that time) eight succeeding presidents from the dialogue.

However, since the show centers around DC intelligentsia, they are constantly making reference to what is playing at the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. A couple of episodes are even filmed there.


*********************And now for my miscellaneous excess trivia:
They do break their own rule several times over the course of the show--it's pretty inevitable when you run for seven seasons. I think Nixon is mentioned the most. And regarding the Kennedy conundrum, one of the creators recently said in an interview that in the West Wing universe, the Kennedy center is named after actor George Kennedy. :)

A Few Good Men is another Aaron Sorkin creation.

And I smiled when Earnest brought up finger spelling because deaf actor Marlee Matlin is a regular on The West Wing, and her character specifically signs using a form of finger spelling and not ASL.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men {YOU *CAN* HANDLE THE TRUTH!}

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:08 pm

well...I'm again sorry for my ignorance but I wanted to try figuring out the solution without googling! very nice puzzle and yes of course I was thinking to Marlee Matlin too ;P joking!
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men {YOU *CAN* HANDLE THE TRUTH!}

Postby Acridian9 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:35 am

I'll admit googling "Kennedy building Washington DC".......
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men {YOU *CAN* HANDLE THE TRUTH!}

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:20 am

I'll admit googling "Kennedy building Washington DC".......just to specify, my sentence was not intended to accuse anyone Acridian :) probably I would fail even if I had googled something, you have done a really great job! I just tried to do it without googling as a personal goal to achieve ;)
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Re: [IrishElk] A Few Good Men {YOU *CAN* HANDLE THE TRUTH!}

Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:23 pm

Haha, no worries, I figured that last bit would require a little research. Growing up in the area, the Kennedy Center is of course an institution for me, but there's no reason anyone else should know it.

Here, just so I can force everyone to admire how pretty it is...

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