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[WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:54 am

Two Olympic athletes collude to strike up a sponsorship deal. This deal helps them to conduct an act of philanthropy that they are almost uniquely qualified to do. What is it?

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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:17 am

Athlete 1=HAM? HAF?
Athlete 2=HAM? HAF?

Do they play the same sport? Different sports? Is their athletic ability relevant to this philanthropy? Relevant what countries they're from? Same country?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:16 am

Athlete 1=HAM? HAF?
Athlete 2=HAM? HAF?

yes/yes/irrel to all; although I should point at at this juncture that they would almost certainly have to be the same sex

Do they play the same sport? yes Different sports? no (although this being the case would not necessarily preclude their scheme from working) Is their athletic ability relevant to this philanthropy? yes Relevant what countries they're from? no Same country? Assume yes (mainly for the sake of convenience)
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Postby hominid » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:19 am

Is the philanthropy related to hunger? Medical care? Envirnonmental issues? Poverty? Education? War? Peace? Discrimination? Genocide?

Relevant when this takes place?

Are the athletes well-known? Is this important? Is there something about these two athletes that separates them from the rest of Olympic players of that sport? Is it important that they are Olympic athletes.

Relevant what sport they play? Is it a sport that involves a ball?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:24 am

Is the philanthropy related to hunger? Medical care? Envirnonmental issues? Poverty? thisish, no to rest Education? War? Peace? Discrimination? Genocide?

Relevant when this takes place? yesish (which I realised after posting the statement, naughty me)

Are the athletes well-known? this is a fictitious example - assume that they have a reasonably high profile in-universe Is this important? not hugely Is there something about these two athletes that separates them from the rest of Olympic players of that sport? yesish Is it important that they are Olympic athletes. no

Relevant what sport they play? yes, broadly Is it a sport that involves a ball? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:27 am

Is it a summer sport? Winter sport? Is it running? Skiing? Snowboarding? Swimming?

Are they giving money to charity? Raising money? Does this involve advertising to people?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:41 am

Is it a summer sport? It's played at the summer Olympics Winter sport? Is it running? yes Skiing? Snowboarding? Swimming? no to rest

Are they giving money to charity? noish Raising money? no Does this involve advertising to people? advertising is a factor
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:02 am

Do we need to know more about the sport than "running"? Are they especially fast runners? Especially talented in some other way? Do they relevantly run outside of a competition? Do they need to get somewhere in a short amount of time?
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:25 am

"collude": does this imply doing something illegal, shady, secretive? Or is it just collaborating?

"strike up a sponsorship deal": with each other? A sponsor?

Is the type of sponsorship or philanthropy relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:17 am

uniquely qualified to do: because they are Paralympic athletes? Because they are the athletes of the country to which they dedicated the act of philanthropy? Is there something on their physical appearance, social status, athletic condition, private life, that make them "unique"? Because no one runs faster than them? Because they were part of a minority? Because they were part of the group towards which the philanthropy act is made?
Did it happen in a relevant historical period? Relevant where the Olympic games took place? Where them the athletes which represent the "host nation"?

Running: reverse running? 100m running? 1400m? Resistance involved?Rapidity?

did the sponsor provide them a link with an association? Relevant who sponsor them? A known brand? A firm that produces drinks, foods, sport related objects (shoes, t-shirts...)?

yesish to the philanthropy's objective on poverty: was the act related to lack of water? lack of infrastructures? Assuming that philanthropy is made to a specific country (was it?)...was the "poverty" of the country to which the philanthropy act was made evident also in Olympic games?Was the "poor" nation represented in olympic games?By them? lack the same product sponsored by the sponsor? lack/need of something? Did the act itself happen before the sponsorship contract was signed (for instance a videotape)?After? Did the two athlete sign the contract in order to do the philanthropy act?

act of philanthropy: give money to an association? advertise an association on athletes't-shirts? create infrastructures? organize a race? organize a sport event? Include them in a musical video? Something related to Olympic games?Something related to the eventual races they will perform during Olympic games?Before (such as choreographies, organization of Olympic games, Olympic torch)?After?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:39 pm

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Do we need to know more about the sport than "running"? no Are they especially fast runners? Well, they are Olympic athletes. Not *essentially* gold medallists or record holders, though Especially talented in some other way? no Do they relevantly run outside of a competition? no Do they need to get somewhere in a short amount of time? outside of the track, no

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"collude": does this imply doing something illegal, shady, secretive? no Or is it just collaborating? yes

"strike up a sponsorship deal": with each other? A sponsor? this

Is the type of sponsorship or philanthropy relevant? more the latter than the former

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uniquely qualified to do: because they are Paralympic athletes? Yes, very good Because they are the athletes of the country to which they dedicated the act of philanthropy? no Is there something on their physical appearance yes , social status, athletic condition, private life, that make them "unique"? no to rest Because no one runs faster than them? not necessarily Because they were part of a minority? yes Because they were part of the group towards which the philanthropy act is made? yes, FA lurking
Did it happen in a relevant historical period? no Relevant where the Olympic games took place? no Where them the athletes which represent the "host nation"? no

Running: reverse running? no 100m running? we can say yes to this, for the purposes of the puzzle, but it doesn't really matter 1400m? Resistance involved?Rapidity? no to rest

did the sponsor provide them a link with an association? no Relevant who sponsor them? broadly A known brand? specific brand is irrelevant, but they would have to be reasonably major A firm that produces drinks, foods, sport related objects yes (shoes and yes , t-shirts...)? no to rest

yesish to the philanthropy's objective on poverty: was the act related to lack of water? lack of infrastructures? no to these Assuming that philanthropy is made to a specific country (was it?) It probably was, but mainly for logistical reasons ...was the "poverty" of the country to which the philanthropy act was made evident also in Olympic games? no Was the "poor" nation represented in olympic games? FA By them? Let us assume they assisted their own country lack the same product sponsored by the sponsor? yesish (in some relevant cases) lack/need of something? yes, as above Did the act itself happen before the sponsorship contract was signed (for instance a videotape)? no After? yes Did the two athlete sign the contract in order to do the philanthropy act? yes

act of philanthropy: give money to an association? no advertise an association on athletes't-shirts? no create infrastructures? no organize a race? no organize a sport event? no Include them in a musical video? no Something related to Olympic games? no Something related to the eventual races they will perform during Olympic games? no Before (such as choreographies, organization of Olympic games, Olympic torch)? no After? no

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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:36 am

Do the athletes share the same disability? Are they in wheelchairs? Do they lack certain working limbs? Are they blind? Muscle-related disorder? Mental disorder? Midgets? Siamese twins?

In this philanthropy, do people receive treatment for disability? Free or discounted products from company?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:51 am

so...were one of the two/both one-armed(they/one of the two have/has just one leg, just one arm)? did the philanthropy act involve the usage of the sponsored shoes? At a certain point you said that they would almost certainly have to be the same sex... is that related to their disability? Or to the philanthropy act?

Is the philanthropy act's aim to motivate the others with the same disability? Give facilities for those with the same disability to "acquire" a particular type of shoe/item? to facilitate them in every-day routine? In sports? Is the philanthropy act oriented to a huge amount of people?To a limited number of people? 1? 2? 5? 10? 50? 100? 1000? More?Does the philanthropy act involve a financial help?Does it involve money directly?

Do the sponsor allow them to pay advertisement campaigns? Include them in the advertisement of the company?
Do the sponsor finance their philanthropy act? Or did it have another role?Such as allowing them to participate to some relevant event(like without a sponsor you cannot participate to the event)?Olympiads themselves?Did the philanthropy act take place during Paralympic games?Before?After?Were they known before Paralympic games?Do this allow, for the first time, athletes with that type of disability to participate to Paralympic games/ to a specific kind of games?
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:33 pm

"they would almost certainly have to be the same sex": Due to sociocultural norms? Did they have sex with each other? Get married?

Or due to the fact that athletic events are gender-separated? Did they have to be in the same race for this to work? (Though you did say they did not have to be in the same sport...)

Did they relevantly cause something to be mass-produced?
Did they relevantly do something exceedingly inspirational? (As in, much more than they would otherwise already as athletes.)
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:53 pm

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Do the athletes share the same disability? yes, broadly Are they in wheelchairs? no Do they lack certain working limbs? yes Are they blind? no Muscle-related disorder? no Mental disorder? no Midgets? They prefer the term 'Homunculi', and no Siamese twins? They prefer the term 'consolidated' twins, and no

In this philanthropy, do people receive treatment for disability? Free or discounted products from company? this

Earnest

so...were one of the two/both one-armed(they/one of the two have/has just one leg [each], just one arm)? did the philanthropy act involve the usage of the sponsored shoes? yes! At a certain point you said that they would almost certainly have to be the same sex... is that related to their disability? Or to the philanthropy act? both, to an extent, although mainly the latter

Is the philanthropy act's aim to motivate the others with the same disability? no Give facilities for those with the same disability to "acquire" a particular type of shoe/item? no to facilitate them in every-day routine? no In sports? no Is the philanthropy act oriented to a huge amount of people? noish To a limited number of people? yesish 1? 2? 5? 10? 50? 100? 1000? More? more Does the philanthropy act involve a financial help? it addresses a financial need Does it involve money directly? no

Do the sponsor allow them to pay advertisement campaigns? Include them in the advertisement of the company? no to both
Do the sponsor finance their philanthropy act? yes Or did it have another role? no Such as allowing them to participate to some relevant event(like without a sponsor you cannot participate to the event)?Olympiads themselves?Did the philanthropy act take place during Paralympic games? the timing in relation to the games is irrelevant Before?After?Were they known before Paralympic games? probably to some extent Do this allow, for the first time, athletes with that type of disability to participate to Paralympic games/ to a specific kind of games? no

SurfingPikachu

"they would almost certainly have to be the same sex": Due to sociocultural norms? no Did they have sex with each other? irrelevant; statistically unlikely Get married? as above

Or due to the fact that athletic events are gender-separated? no Did they have to be in the same race for this to work? no (Though you did say they did not have to be in the same sport...)

Did they relevantly cause something to be mass-produced? no
Did they relevantly do something exceedingly inspirational? no (As in, much more than they would otherwise already as athletes.)
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:14 pm

so did one have the left leg and the other the right one? Do each wear a shoe?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:51 pm

so did one have the left leg and the other the right one? yes! Do each wear a shoe? They each wear two shoes to compete, but explore this line of thinking...
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:59 pm

so did they run helping each other? united? did they relevantly wear prosthesis? did they get out there shoes?One shoe each?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:13 am

so did they run helping each other? no united? no did they relevantly wear prosthesis? yes did they get out there shoes? One shoe each? Could you rephrase this question?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:35 am

were the two shoes they wore identical? I mean the shoe for the prothesis was identical to the shoe of the other foot?(for each athlete I mean)
Did the sponsor, which produces shoes, relevantly designed a type of shoe (both left and right shoe as witnessed by the athletes which wore a shoe each on their prothesis) suitable for mechanical prothesis?For prothesis in general?

Or did the shoes themselves constitute a kind of prothesis for athletes?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:29 am

were the two shoes they wore identical? I mean the shoe for the prothesis was identical to the shoe of the other foot?(for each athlete I mean) yes!
Did the sponsor, which produces shoes, relevantly designed a type of shoe (both left and right shoe as witnessed by the athletes which wore a shoe each on their prothesis) suitable for mechanical prothesis?For prothesis in general? no

Or did the shoes themselves constitute a kind of prothesis for athletes? no
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:12 am

So...did the advertisement play on relevant word games? Like..."if you were in their shoes..." or something like "there are no differences between what you have and what you don't.." (exploiting the fact that the shoe for the prothesis was like the one of the real leg) or "start off on the right foot.." or something like that?

Is the brand relevant? During the advertisement, did the athletes relevantly take off their protheses? show something relevant?The shoes themselves?Did they use the shoes in a particular way?Did they simply wear them? Is the advertisement mainly aimed to advertise the shoes? Invite people to do something for disabled?Do donations? Help to finance something?

So brief recap...they had two different legs right? One has the right and one the left and consequently also the protheses belonged to opposite legs. Is the latter fact relevant in that classified them uniquely qualified to do something they did in the advertisement?Were the relevant part in the advertisement the legs they had or the legs they don't have? Were more relevant the protheses or the real legs? Did they do something metaphoric like helping each other in finishing a race? Did they run during the advertisement? If so, did they run with protheses?Without them? Were there other people relevantly displayed in the advertisement?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:30 am

So...did the advertisement play on relevant word games? no Like..."if you were in their shoes..." or something like "there are no differences between what you have and what you don't.." (exploiting the fact that the shoe for the prothesis was like the one of the real leg) or "start off on the right foot.." or something like that? I do like your examples, however

Is the brand relevant? no During the advertisement, did the athletes relevantly take off their protheses? show something relevant?The shoes themselves?Did they use the shoes in a particular way?Did they simply wear them? yes - at first Is the advertisement mainly aimed to advertise the shoes? yes Invite people to do something for disabled?Do donations? and this Help to finance something?

So brief recap...they had two different legs right? One has the right and one the left and consequently also the protheses belonged to opposite legs. all correct Is the latter fact relevant in that classified them uniquely qualified to do something they did in the advertisement? yes Were the relevant part in the advertisement the legs they had or the legs they don't have? the latter Were more relevant the protheses or the real legs? prostheses Did they do something metaphoric like helping each other in finishing a race? no Did they run during the advertisement? irrelevant; the campaign/donation was an ongoing event which would theoretically span many races If so, did they run with protheses? yes Without them? no Were there other people relevantly displayed in the advertisement? no
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:08 am

do people that watched the advertisement recognize at a first sight that they had a prothesis? I am thinking about something like they simply run wearing shoes and at the end of the advertisement they simply remove their shoes making audience see a real foot and a prothesis.

To be sure...are we talking about legs' protheses right?
Were the athletes relevantly displayed at first or later on on the advertisement?
are spoors relevant? I mean...at first shoes spoors and at the end prothesis and foot spoors, or vice versa or again feet spoors that appeared normal but later on audience discover that one belong to one athlete and the other to the other athlete? Something like that?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:21 pm

do people that watched the advertisement recognize at a first sight that they had a prothesis? yes I am thinking about something like they simply run wearing shoes and at the end of the advertisement they simply remove their shoes making audience see a real foot and a prothesis. this is not the solution

To be sure...are we talking about legs' protheses right? yes
Were the athletes relevantly displayed at first or later on on the advertisement? irrelevant to both; any specific advertisement is not germane to the solution. Focus on the act of charity.
are spoors relevant? I mean...at first shoes spoors and at the end prothesis and foot spoors, or vice versa or again feet spoors that appeared normal but later on audience discover that one belong to one athlete and the other to the other athlete? Something like that? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby Balin » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:07 pm

Did the advertisement shoe them running side by side? Showing the left leg of one and the right leg of the other?
Did the advert initially show the real legs? The prostheses?
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby WiZ » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:44 pm

Did the advertisement shoe them running side by side? Showing the left leg of one and the right leg of the other?
Did the advert initially show the real legs? The prostheses?

irrelevant to all

The longer this puzzle goes on, the more I don't like it. Am seriously considering shooting it humanely in the head and moving on with life.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:00 pm

Well, I'll throw in a little more before it meets its demise.

Earlier, you said the shoes worn would be identical. Does that mean the person with only the right foot would also wear a right-footed shoe on the prosthetic leg? Did a purchase result in an extra pair of shoes that would be given away for charity?
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI)

Postby WiZ » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:10 am

Well, I'll throw in a little more before it meets its demise.

Earlier, you said the shoes worn would be identical. Does that mean the person with only the right foot would also wear a right-footed shoe on the prosthetic leg? Did a purchase result in an extra pair of shoes that would be given away for charity? I'm glad you chimed in, because, basically, yeah.

***** SPOILER *****

The athletes, each of whom wore a prosthesis on the opposite leg and had the same shoe size on their biological feet, requested two pairs of shoes from a supplier, with the stipulation that the remaining pair be donated to a promising young athlete who couldn't afford them.

The supplier, realising that they could sponsor two athletes for the price of one while committing a very public act of philanthropy, agreed. The novelty value of this endeavour, combined with the success the athletes were having on the track, boosted the profile of the sponsor and spiralled the sponsorship deal into a much bigger venture.


Good work, Hobbsicle. Thanks everyone else for sticking with it, and giving it some very thorough questioning.
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Re: [WiZ] The Athletes (FMOI) [DEFEATED]

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:11 pm

Well, the puzzle died either way, but at least you didn't have to go Old Yeller on it. Good one!
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